Jesus help the country if Guiliani got as far as POTUS or even VP, that's all I can say. Bush would seem cuddly-wuddly in light of that lying, thieving piece of human waste.
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Jesus help the country if Guiliani got as far as POTUS or even VP, that's all I can say. Bush would seem cuddly-wuddly in light of that lying, thieving piece of human waste.
Emmmmm, "allegedly".....perhaps ?Quote:
Originally Posted by dahamsta
Do I even need it? I wouldn't swear to the thieving bit on a criminal level, but his business interests are criminal on an ethical level; and in light of his presidential run, they literally are criminal because: 1) they're not declared; and b) he's still running businesses when he's not supposed to. He's been caught lying innumerate times at this stage. He makes Bush and Bertie looks like angels for god's sake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angus
Well seeing as the wonderfully intelligent American populous re-elected GWB I wouldn't be surprised if he did well. He won a lot of Hearts and Minds in the aftermath of 911Quote:
Originally Posted by dahamsta
Guiliani scores high in National polls. He leads in Florida & Michigan. Then again how accurate are the polls. I agree he a waste of space. IMO the Democrats would love to up against him.
I think the only correct predict I saw before NH was that Independents liked McCain & Obama so with more voting for McCain that was bad for Obama.
US Elections are entertaining as all TV & Polls plus a new vote every week. As foreigner can be also be detached.
I think McCain won over enough independents and it ultimately hurt Obama. The much anticipated "high turnout" amongst young voters never really materialised, again hurting the Obama campaign. Also Hillarys nauseating "weepy" moment a couple of days ago didn't do her any harm as Americans flocked to the polls to once again to illustrate their gullibility.
The republicans are probably rubbing their hands at the prospect of Hillary getting the Democratic nomination...she only THINKS she's been treated roughly at the minute - the republicans will show absolutely no mercy in a Presidential election campaign and they'll use Bill Clinton as the stick to beat her with.
http://www.electoralcompass.com/page/0/thema+s/
Interesting one of those political compasses for the candidates , I'm closest to Edwards and furthest to Thompson
closest to Obama, furthest from Fred Thompson.
Don't know how reliable that thing is though - I'd like to know who runs it.
Closest to Hillary furthest from fred thompson
The pre-Super Tuesday Primaries, with hte exception of Florida, are really not worth a curse to the Republicans outside of PR. According to a longstanding GOP rule, no primaries are permitted prior to February 5th, and any taking place will have their delegation reduced to half, I think, for the final nomination, effectively meaning that New Hampshire was worth about 12 votes instead of 24, and is only a proportion of that goes forward behind McCain. Troublesome Michigan, is still worth 30 instead of 60, and is winner take all with a bonus for a big win. Florida is the same, only now worth 57 (instead of 114).
Smart Republicans (see what I done there - craftsmanship that) will concentrate on these and Super Tuesday in terms of votes. However, we all know how the masses like to back a winner (in Ireland as much as elsewhere), and a good showing in the politically well-regarded NH counts for quite a lot elsewhere in the more aware states. Iowa will resonate with the more family value oriented, or as we call them, "Hick" states.
Few folk seem to realise quite how well Romney is doing so far - two seconds in proportional states and 8 of the 12 votes in Wyoming - if I'm not mistaken, he is currently leading the race owing to the fact that no-one really bothered with Wyoming. However, he has yet to capitalise on this with the media.
'Twill be interesting stuff.
Interesting, but I'd hardly trust it - Obama being listed most "American Left"? One version of this has Clinton as a rampant Socialist, one step short of Karl Marx:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
I read somewhere that because the vote too earlier both parties have kicked Michigan out of the system?
Romney referred to Wyoming as his gold in the "1 gold, 2 silver" remake. He has spent $60m already though. He is rich but if using personal money can't continue like that indefinitely.
McCain could become the least worst candidate of the Republicans as little baggage that other candidates have.
Same for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Interesting election as a whole. I think Obama would be my personal favourite too. I don't trust Hilary for some reason. That's based more on gut instinct than any political knowledge though.
Obama will probably win and proceed to declare war on the renegade state of Europe.
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Originally Posted by gustavo
me too!!!:)
That barometer is Boll!x - Obama is about as economically left- wing as Tony Blair - look at this and who his friends are
JESUS!!!!!! I am Hilary Clinton.
Where are the bodies hidden??Quote:
Originally Posted by SUB of the day
Those families have a right to know
Can we get back onto the topic in-hand now please, so I don't have to split all this political compass stuff out?
adam
Jeffrey Liebman: another Harvard economist andQuote:
Originally Posted by sonofstan
former Clinton adviser who favors privatizing social security:confused::confused::confused:
How would that work?
Very simple. The government syphons off the presumably 4% of the tax that pays for feasibility studies on medicare and brings an end to geography in the schools (they weren't using it anyway) about throw wads of cash at some big company which is an independent branch of some huge company who go bust after 7 years, taking all the money with them, and the directors, shareholders, etc get off scott free, having invested their money into some other health plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Risteard
Its a branch of Enronomics...
Interesting left leaning article taken from Portside
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Romney wins half strength Michigan for the GOP, and stay on top of it, with McCain, who won it in 2000, coming second about 10% behind. Huckabee's Iowa victory seems a long time ago now, as he trailed into third, but then, he didn't campaign hard here.
Giuliani seems to have put it all into Florida - a REALLY bad idea in my opinion - most of the US is aggravated by the idea that certain politicians only pay attention to where there is a big voting block to be had - it sounds like he'll be aiming at the big states alone, and that will screw him around the houses, especially seeing as South Caolina is coming up, and traditionally a good indicator as to the GOP nom.
Meanwhile Clinton topped the state the Democrats stripped of delegates for rule infringement - Obama's people sounded p!ssed that she did allow her name on the ballot though. Nearly impossible to find out the result of the Democrats poll as the media seemed only interested in the top two, and occasionally Edwards too. Seeing as Edwards and Obama didn't have their names down, a whopping 39% went down as "Uncommitted", leaving my man Kucinich to sweep to second place on 3.66%. For the record, Clinton polled over 55%.
The GOP race could go right the way to the convention, especially if Giuliani takes Florida. That would make for an intriguing battle.
He now has to win Florida as failure there will mean no momentum going into Super Tuesday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aberdonian Stu
BTW Ron Paul was 4th in Michigan with almost same votes as Thompson (he should be gone next week) & Guiliani.
Well boys and girls, it didn't take long for this race to get very very very nasty.
In the last few days we have seen:
1. A contrived non existent "race war" between Hillary and Obama - total nonsense fuelled by bloggers and Fox News. The sub text is very clear - use the word race as much as possible to weaken Obama's and Hill's chances in November.
2 At the Dems debate the other night, Brian Williams (who should know better) confronted Obama with some internet rumours - specifically that he was secretly Muslim and that he actually swore oaths of office on the Koran. Fox News repeated this last night on that incubus Gibson's show with the obligatory extremely cute blonde for political cover adding (I am not making this up) "..Koran and that he is actually a radical Islam extremist". That other objectionable blonde, Monica Crowley explained why this was sticking "...because is middle name is Hussein and we have seen this name before......"
3 Fox then interviewed a guy called Jonah Goldberg whose new book (again not making this up) is called Liberal Fascism. He got the puff softball interview from FNC whose interview consisted of the likes of "..tell me the secret to your success..". Interestingly, John Stewart had him on the Daily Show, aired an hour earlier where Stewart easily made him look like a babbling idiot. Basically the guys premise is that Hillary is racist and liberalism in the US is actually progressivism (whatever that is) which has its roots with Mussolini and Hitler. I am not making this up:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...jonah-goldberg
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Liberal-Fasc...0651472&sr=8-1
4 Meanwhile on the GOP side the knives are out for McCain - FNC are repeating the "black baby" story of 2000 and now he is being Swift - boated. Some guy saying his war heroism is a fake. That total git Neil Cavuto had a pop at Hillary, Obama and McCain last night in his "personal view".
Irrespective of who gets the Dems nomination, this race until November is going to be lethal and probably the dirtiest we have ever seen. Prepare for 2000 all over again because if Hill or Obama look likely to win, the stuff that went on in Florida before the election in 2000 will look like Wanderley Wagin in comparison.
You go to sleep one night in the week and all this happens!
It looks right nasty now - the Democrats could roast themselves á la the French socialists. Fox look like controlling the GOP nom unfortunately, so McCain could get blitzed, though I do think that the Mid-American swing voter will pull towards him if it is a choice between him and a shattered Obama. A wrecked Clinton would struggle against Romney or Huckabee, but might nobble McCain. This allow a preceived neutral like Edwards or (heaven between us and) Ron Paul to have a good Super Tuesday and come through as an apparently solid if unspectacular candidate.
:D:D:D Oh! for an Irish John StewartQuote:
Originally Posted by John Stewart
See Daily Show on Fox News's use of questions on their running board eg 'Is your mother a whore' question, hilariousQuote:
Originally Posted by Angus
Looks like McCain could struggle going forward as he seems to attract more support from Independents than his own party. Guiliani could come back into it but seems Romney is the choice of GOP establishment. Might make interesting viewing seeing Republicans tear lumps off each other for a change ;)
Watching th Daily Show earlier this week & Romney saying he improved Boston roads (previously the worst) as credited by Trucker Magazine :D
Clinton is clearly the choice of the Democrat establishment & would think strong favourite
clinton has a high negative and would only win the presidency by the skin of her teeth after a dirty battle. obama would have a better chance of putting the republicans away because of the youth vote and independents.
they are really sinking their teeth into mccain now with leaflets in south carolina saying he ratted out his fellow prisoners . just like john kerry even your exemplary military record is unsafe.
long way to go , guiliani takes florida and he becomes the front runner going into super tuesday, wonder if we will see a broker convention on either side ?
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Recent polls in north east Florida have folks leaning towards Huckabee for the thugs and Obama for the Dems. The rest of the state has McCain for the thugs and Hillary for the Dems.Quote:
Originally Posted by RogerMilla
I had a feeling Romney wouldn't do well there, alright - this would be essentially the first real McCain - Huckabee standoff: could be a lot of political fun, Do the Bush family still have a lot of political clout there?Quote:
Originally Posted by strangeirish
Thanks to Dubya, no. However, his brother Jeb, the former Governor of Florida remains popular, mainly due to his legislation to protect the Everglades and his opposition to drilling for oil off the Florida coast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebeard
Stewart's been having some excellent moments since he came back without his writers (due to the strike) - a real sign of natural wit and intelligence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebeard
His interview with former Bush speechwriter David Frum was great - http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...tle=david-frum - Stewart makes the analogy of Huckabee as Ned Flanders, a decent guy but the public prefers Homer which leads to this exchange
:DQuote:
Frum: I don't think we want President Homer
Stewart: We have President Homer.
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Originally Posted by Angus
Its already been reported on Sirius Radio that the caging of votes has already started in some states.
Well, haven't had time to investigate it, but Romney and Clinton took Nevada, while McCain took South Carolina over Huckabee. Any word other than headlines?
It looks to me like Romney's strategy is to attempt to win everywhere, and hopefully accumulate the smaller states and go into Super Tuesday with a lead while Huckabee and McCain are really targetting their campaigns at influential states.
It's a big win for Clinton - Obama managed to pick up 45% and still lost - major morale boost there. Edwards wiped out to 4 %. Not boding well for him in South Carolina.
Didn't Obama actually pick up more delegates in Nevada then Hilary though? AJAIK Nevada is allocated 25 delegates, and from what I heard this morning Obama got 13 compared to Hilarys 12 due to his votes being more spread out. Not 100% certain of this but thats what I heard on the Obama grapevine this morning
Clinton was projected to win by 20, so Obama done better than expected to get within 6 points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebeard
There is difference between 13 & 12 delegates when need 2,000 or so to win the Democrats nomination. The early stages are all very small but headlines create momentum as people like to vote for winners.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
McCain is being touted as the Republican leader but I don't think anything between himself Romney & Huckabee. Will be interesting to see where Thompsons votes go when he withdraws as expected. Last poll I saw had Guiliani 3rd in Florida so he is in big trouble
Thompson and McCain are basically "buddies". Before the South Carolina primary Thompson got up infront of the crowd and ripped into every stance Huckabee was taking. And the only thing he mentioned in relation to McCain was his stance on immigration. Thompson basically won that primary for McCain, by splitting the evangelical vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
When Thompson pulls out, I really can't see his votes going anywhere else but to McCain.
They have done two Nationalwide mock Presidential votes here & shows McCain beat both Obama & Clinton. It is very early though so not sure what it means.
Will be interesting to see first poll without Thompson. Could never understand why he running anyway as very quiet. At 4 months (he joined in September last) must be one of the shortest campaigns.
The way its shaping up it looks like Hilary will win the Democratic nomination and get hammered in the Presidentials. Her tactics may be getting the post menopause vote, but it's gonna split the Democrats, I mean I really can't see Obama or Edwards people going to the polls to support the old hag the way she's acting. Here's to 4 more years of Republicanism!