Are you saying that David Pleat was manager in 1984.Quote:
Originally Posted by eekers
He wasnt, Keith Burkinshaw won the Uefa Cup in 84.
Or am I mis-reading your post.
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Are you saying that David Pleat was manager in 1984.Quote:
Originally Posted by eekers
He wasnt, Keith Burkinshaw won the Uefa Cup in 84.
Or am I mis-reading your post.
Paul Dempsey on Setanta just said that Andy Townsend is on the selection commitee... Townsend is on their Champions League show tomorrow and he will be grilled about his role.
yepQuote:
Originally Posted by stojkovic
i probably shoudnt have that 'and' at the start of the second line
perhapsQuote:
Originally Posted by Armando
he'll be eating his own words though
found this in the vaults
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...0/ai_n12853308
how times changeQuote:
Sunday Mirror, Nov 10, 2002 by ANDY TOWNSEND
I'VE read in the papers over the past few days that I'm to be involved in the FAI's selection process for a new manager.
I can tell you now that's a load of rubbish. I want nothing to do with the FAI, or its search to find a new Ireland boss.
There's not a cat's chance in hell that I would agree to be on any of their committees. And anyone - and I'm talking about ex-players here - who does agree to help out is setting themselves up for a fall.
You might as well line yourself up against a wall and be executed now. Because one thing's for sure, if the new manager turns out to be poor, who do you think would take the blame?
This consultative committee is just a ruse invented by the FAI big wigs to protect themselves as usual. It's an absurd idea. They should be big enough to make the decision for themselves without dragging ex-players and captains into it.
According to the Examiner the selection threesome is Howe, Givens and Townsend.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishex...063-qqqx=1.aspQuote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
interesting - so no robson who recommended venables to england in the mid 90s and no pleat who people reckoned would favour Venables because of tottenham links.
I really dont know what to make of Townsend or Givens who knows what either of them will be thinking.
Givens is employed by the FAI and Townsend doesnt think much of them.
Don Howe - assistant to Terry Venables at Euro 96.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
Don Givens - Played with Terry Venables for years at QPR.
Andy Townsend - Worked with Terry Venables for years at ITV.
If these really are the 3 men then its a ****ing joke at this stage:mad:
Never mind their affiliation with Venables what in the blue hell merits Givens and especially Townsend being on the selection committee!!!:confused:
I think I might be thick or something, but why has Andy Townsend resurfaced a all??? Don't get me wrong, he was a fine international for us, but why him? He was three captains ago...Why not somebody like Ken Cunningham, who isn't (yet) as deep into the whole punditry thing.
Only for i heard this on the radio this morning i would have thought this to be a wum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
Venables it is then - ah well can't be any worse than Stan.
I wonder about the FAI sometimes - is there someone from the GAA secretly running the FAI and deliberatly trying to make the organisation look as pathetic as possible?
If they worked with him, then they know whether he's good, bad or indifferent. Just because you worked with someone, doesn't mean you think the world of them as I am sure we all know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Armando
Fairly disparaging article on the whole process from McDonnell this morning: http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...s-1231940.html
Yes, it's astonishing. Appoint the 3 men most likely to advocate Venables.Quote:
Originally Posted by Armando
Not disparaging enough!Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Quote:
Originally Posted by Armando
Townsend choosing wouldn't surprise me, good servant and all that, but a dependable voice? By god can he run with the hare & hunt with the hound.
"I'll never work for the FAI! I'LL DIE FIRST, I tell you!"
"Andy, would you like some big piles of money to sit on an FAI selection committee?"
"Oooh, yes please. Can I have it in used £50's?"
I cant imagine Don Givens ever being enthusiastic about anyone
"Mr Givens, What do you have to say about the fireman who, despite being temporarily blinded and overcome by smoke, managed to rescue 50 children from that burning orphanage?"
"Did ok."
And Don Howe? Buggered if I know why the Fai saw fit to choose him as one of Europe's supreme kingmakers with an innate knowledge of Irish football... Perhaps he won a raffle or something. The whole set up, if accurate, is all very 'Father Ted'.
Yesterday's Irish Times' sub-headline was funny, something like "The FAI expects to finalise the appointment of the 3 man selection committee in time to learn that Delaney will appoint Venables". Well, it'd be funny if it wasn't seemingly true.
I really worry about the objectivity and current knowledge of the names suggested.
In theory, the selection committee has a good blend.
Townsend was an excellent captain for us, a thorough professional on the pitch. It's not a bad idea to have an ex player there.
Just as long as they apply objectivity to Venables.
Two ex-players.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
As I said before (sounding like Giles now), just because you worked with someone, it doesn't mean you'd recommend them for the same job elsewhere. Quite the contrary perhaps in some instances. It doesn't worry me that they know Venables. In fact it could work the other way UNLESS they are friends.
The times are on the ball.....Apparently Delaney got his knuckles rapped last night..however he is cute and sharp...he has still got the guys who will ratify his choiceQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Townsend has stated that he is not interested in joining the 3 man committee. Just been on Todayfm sportsnews.
AFAIK, he will reveal considerably more on Setanta this evening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
What will he reveal.
Is anyone else having a problem getting newstalk online? I can't access the site
Now Now Neil,Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
That just wouldn't be my right to say but I suspect it will be along the lines that he does not want to be part of all or any of the process following events of the past five days.
Also, possibly how his name entered the public domain.It is my understanding that he or any one associated with him clearly didn't leak or release his involvement.
Edit: I could of course be wrong
So to read between the lines he cannot be on the selection team as he has a chance to be part of Terry Venalbles managment team, should Venables get the job.
That's rational paranoia, Neil
since the fai seem a bit lost at the moment finalising the selection committee. here's what i think is the ideal committee makeup:
One Irish member
knows the irish team, knows our stengths, would be aware of the views of real irish fans.
One continental european member
having a ireland/uk based selection panel is just way too insular.
we need someone thats knows about manager elsewhere in europe.
One big name
Someone to turn the heads of a potenital candidate that wouldnt even think of looking at the job otherwise.
Interesting discussion on Setanta before the Celtic game between Paul Dempsey, Andy T and Pat (Dyed hair) Dolan. Dolan castigating the FAI's handling of the selection process, Andy T saying that he was canvassed by Delaney for his views on various managers but is not joining the selection team but was then hardly allowed speak by Dolan so whatever else he wanted to say was drowned out. Later on on TV3 sports news, Givens said he has had no contact with the FAI since the Wales game and Don Howe says he isn't part of the team either.
Back to square one:confused:
good - better than those 3Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
I only caught the Andy Townsend piece on the early news this morning. He seemed to be quite scathing of the FAI and I'm surprised it hasn't been brought up more this morning.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
I got the impression he had it out with Delaney and that he certainly wasn't part of the process or the job itself. Said he was asked about potential candidates and that he gave straight yes and no answers.
If thats the case, and he asks the various people for opinions on potentials, how can he be getting any sort of grasp on who is right for the job?
Yes, Delaney is out there canvassing people for their opinions while I thought there was supposed to be a selection committee which would do that for him.
Gets stranger by the day :rolleyes:
Irish Times says Townsend believes that the role of the selection panel will be to ratify a single name given to them.
what if the panel says no? Does the search start again? What a shambles.
Looks like a Delaney chronic problem, how can I delegate a decision and at the same time maintain total control over what they decide.
The search for a new panel you mean? The panel will be well chosen to give the right answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
Anyone chosen for this "independent" panel will , obviously, have to sign some sort of confidentiality clause.
So when they've signed it, and Delaney says, "Thanks for coming lads, heres the meeting room. You wouldn't mind heading in there for a few hours, and coming out and announcing Terry Venables as the no1 choice for Ireland, would yiz? Good men. There's tea and coffee and fig rolls in there, a couple of complimentary copies of todays Herald, and Sky Sports news is on the big screen " they will, of course, be contractually bound not to tell anyone about the machiavellian meddling.
Of course, if they disagree, and won't do Delaneys "Venables for Ireland" cheerleader routine , the confidentiality contract still stands, so Delaney can dissolve his commit-tee because of "fundamental creative disagreements detrimental to the selection process" without fear of discovery, and hire 3 more honest, unswayable independents who will do exactly what he says...
Or maybe I just watch too much Telly.
no I mean for a new manager. If the panel are only given one option/manager to debate between themselves then in the unlikely scenario that they say no to candidate X (Venables) then surely the FAI would have to go looking again and offer up an alternative candidate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
Surely the sensible option would be to have a list of 5 candidates who are rumoured to be keen and/or have had their agent on the blower to the FAI expressing an interest - give the names to panel and get them to whittle it down to a first/2nd/3rd choice. Approach the favoured option and offer him the job - if he says no then move on to the 2nd etc.
The funny thing is there is no selection committee. Not one person has come forward and said they are on this Phantom committee. All those names mentioned in the press as being part of this Phathom committee have either said they are not interested or have not been apporached by the FAI (Delaney).
Question is should we know the names of the people on the committee before it starts its work or even before its finished its work. I am not sure we should. I will be happy not to know anything if I find out at a later date that the right procedures were followed and they have the best possible man they can get for the job. Johnny Giles seems to think this is whats going to happen.
Is Giles confident it'll be done correctly, i.e., diligently, thoroughly and objectively?
It seems that he is and I think he is in the loop.