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It's about context. I don't think we'd get away with it with the two Reids flanked by Duff and McGeady as mentioned in the earlier post.. Just my opinion but if we're intent on playing the two Reids together I think we'd have to sacrifice one of our more "silkier" widemen . Andy Reids better performances for Ireland are always when surrounded by more than one "water carrier" in the middle.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Dont think it was mentioned earlier in this thread but never realised Reid was captain (or at least stand in captain) at blackburn. Captained the team yesterday in their win over Bolton - good to see!
Got voted 2nd best player on the pitch in the fantasy football. His partner Dunn got motm having set up 3 of the goals. Back to the attacking midfield of Bentley, Reid, Dunn and Pedersen.
Reid played well..
But Andy O'Brien got turned a bit to easily for the last goal...
A nothing player.Quote:
Originally Posted by harpstilidie
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Originally Posted by mackannovic
Gd i hate comments like this. Matt was an excellent player for us and always did an excellent job for us. Just for his two goals away to Portugal and in the
World Cup against Cameroon he deserves some bloody respect.
Are you Eamon Dunphy?Quote:
Originally Posted by mackannovic
I like Stevie Reid...he's a good player and he always gives his all...if he can stay injury free i think he'll be a big part of trapattoni's plans...him and ireland together in midfield anyone???
Ireland and Reid alone together in midfield would get completely overrun. If that is the central midfield line up we'll have a difficult job of qualifying. I very much doubt that Trapattoni will try them together on their own.
Reid would certainly be able to handle himself. What's the alternative Carsley will be 35 come the world cup so i'd say he'll be gone before longQuote:
Originally Posted by jmurphyc
Ireland cannot be used in a 2 man central midfield. I've said this many times before. The best place for him IMO is in an advanced role behind the striker. We used him and Carsley together in central midfield away to Slovakia and Carsley had to do the impossible job of 2 players. Whenever he's played for us so far he's offered **** all defensively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seagull-4-life
True playing Ireland in a 2 man central midfield is suicidal, you either got to play him in an advanced role like you said or you could put him on the right but that would only work if you got a good RB who can overlap and allow Ireland to cut inside but with Finnans retirement that isn't really an option anymore
I'd be very surprised if we see the ROI playing a classic 4-4-2 in the medium term. I'd also be very surprised it Steven Reid doesn't feature very frequently if he stays fit. He could play very comfortably as one of the 2 in a 4-2-3-1 or as one of the 3 in a 4-3-3 or variation thereof.
Sorry man, but that midfeild'd get p!ssed on....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
You're pretty adamant on that point dr. :) I don't think David Dunn is any better than Andy Reid defensively and Blackburn's 2 wide players are obviously very attacking. Ciaran has even gone more defensive than that with Carsley, A.Reid and Ireland in midfield. I really can't see how that could be too attacking. A.Reid is as attacking as Andrea Pirlo. If you play him in the centre he'll sit deep and dictate the play.
Our difference of opinion seems to be with A.Reid. You see him as an attacker, I see him as a central midfielder. I'd be pretty certain if he was playing in Italy he'd be playing as a deep lying playmaker.
Or as an advanced playmaker.
I'm very much on the doctor's side on this one, that midfield would get hammered. Admittedly it's not dissimilar to the midfield that did well at home to Germany but I really think Carsley's limitations as a central midfielder were shown up against Brazil. This has nothing whatsoever to do with his age, just his ability - great at getting stuck in but he hasn't got the passing (though I hear he put in a super cross for everton's second goal tonight).
Carsley IS in great form for Everton, but look at the system they play. He's the anchor that sets up the attacking axis of Arteta & Cahill. Carsley can definitely play a role in Ireland's first XI but given the lack of physicality of any of our other credible CM options I really doubt it'd be part of a 4-4-2, or certainly not a 4-4-2 with Duff & McGeady as the wide players (or Ireland). I thought everyone was agreed as to where the current team is at its worst - central midfield.
Yeh Carsley was excellent for Everton yesterday. Easily their best midfield player. He played the Gattuso role running all over the pitch with Neville holding midfield.
Anyway, for me Reid and Reid would walk into the team.
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Originally Posted by eirebhoy
I see Andy Reid as an excellent midfield playmaker, that hasn't got a great engine or physique, and isn't stable defensively...That has to be compensated for, esp if we're trying to include Duff and McGeady..
Two good full backs would help.
yeah but therein lies the problem - they are nowhere to be found.
Stephen Kelly no?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigmanCas
He doesn't rate him, to put it as nicely as I can. I think that we could do with Finnan for at least this qualifying campaign as I'm not sure whether Joey O'Brien or Kelly are ready yet. However, if they're not ready for the next qualifying group, they'll never be ready.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba
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Originally Posted by jmurphyc
ah yeah i know, just trying to see the reaction! ;)
for the record, i think that both Kelly are solid if unspectacular and would have no problem with either starting RB in the qualifiers. LB however is another story, just can't trust Kilbane in that position...
An unprecedented dearth of quality full backs.
Years ago we could have fielded a complete team comprised of full backs!!
thats what having a small nation does wolfie!
although it still doesnt explain why you have so many players in one position!
I didn't mean they all stood at full-back Paul!! :D That part of the field may have been a bit crowded alright!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
More along the lines of the fact that we had at least 11 half decent full-backs to choose from.
i know what you meant, and I think you know what I meant too. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
I think I get ye now :confused: - do you mean it doesn't explain how Ireland produced so many full-backs at the one time??? I was lost for a bit there.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
I think a lot of them started out in different positions and were converted to full-back.
yes thats exactly what i meant!!
Hughes has a lot of faith in Reid. He took Tugay off after 55 minutes and went 3 up front with Reid as the only central midfielder. Bentley and Pedersen the wide players.
Reid was Blackburn's best player today according to the Fantasy Football judge.
Only seen brieg glimpses of him but he seems to be more comfortable on the ball than he was before. Haven't noticed his added awareness but I'll take your word for it. ;) He would be brilliant with Andy Reid.
Here's another post that I read on some other forum ;) :D
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I've been keeping a very close eye on him since he got back from injury and I'm very excited about the thought of him in the Ireland team if he can stay injury free. Before his injury he turned down Spurs, while Man Utd were linked with him, after an excellent season with Blackburn. His injury actually came in the Ireland game against Germany if I remember (I think he got injured again recovering from that).
He used to be a poor man's Stephen Gerrard. A box to box player with incredible energy. Now he seems to have turned into a playmaker. He's the main man in the Blackburn midfield. He's not doing anything spectacular on the ball but his movement is fantastic. He seems to be a much more confident and determined player and pretty much demands the ball from his teammates.
He's playing in a team at Blackburn with 2 strikers, 2 attacking wide players and a relatively attacking partner in David Dunn. If Reid wasn't positionally sound and good defensively that team would get ripped apart. So I don't think he'd necessarily need someone like Carsley beside him in the Ireland team which he may have needed pre-injury.
He captained Blackburn against Bolton as Ooijer was injured and himself and Dunn were apparently outstanding. He was again supposedly Blackburn's best player today against Fulham. I'm just excited about the player he has turned into. A very intelligent player. Add in Andy Reid's beautiful brain and I think we could match many European teams in that area which is where the British and Irish teams have been lacking in recent years. 2 proper playmakers in midfield.
So has anyone seen much of him? Can he stay injury free at last? Maybe, after watching Ireland and Celtic in recent years, I'm getting over excited about something as simple as a central midfielder that actually moves into the best position possible to receive a pass all the time.
ah isnt that lovely!
if thats the case though then a central partnership of himself and carsley could be just the thing for us. hope he stays fit
Without blowing my trumpet , i have been singing this guys praises for nearly 5 years. If he remains injury free for at least 2 years i really really think he can hit the big time. He has everything you would want from a central midfielder. He has a good physical stature, but unlike O'Shea for example, he knows how to use it. Blackburn fans know how important he is for them. IMO he will be a massive massive player for us in the upcoming qualifiers. I have all my fingers crossed that he can stay injury free.
So we have no need to worry that his position could be under threat from Vogel then?
dont think so. he is very highly thought of at Blackburn and its more likely that Vogel will be his partner in midfieldQuote:
Originally Posted by Irish_Praha
Reids all round game is better than Dunn, he adds more to the team in my opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
I could be wrong but I dont think Vogel is as mobile as ReidQuote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
Who said Vogel is not just brought in as a squad player and as back up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran