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If I went, I would have only stayed to boo
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Originally Posted by mypost
If I went, I would have only stayed to boo
stan should do the right thing and resign. Delaney needs to be forced out. He is the root of the problem. Unless there is a change we will not be going to any tournaments any time soon. We will be the most talented warm up fixture for major tournaments available.
The Irish fans and players deserve a world class manager! Staunton has had a campaign to prove that he is everything but world class. Why should we have to put up with this Shi+e because of one MUPPETT. The welsh game needs to be used as a means to show the peoples feelings towards Delaney. Otherwise these gut wrenching feelings of despair and disapointment are all ahead of us for a long time to come. Have never felt such a lack of hope in the national side before ever!!
What odds would you get on Mc claren, tosack and Stauton getting handed their notices at the end of this campaign. Paddy power is all the excitment i have left!
I assume you are not knocking Keane and McCarthy by saying this and that you are saying that the same people at FAI who created the conditions that led up to and into Keane and McCarthy's dispute are the same who are responsible for the disaster that is the Euro 2008 campaign. If so, I agree 100% with your sentiment.Quote:
Originally Posted by backtowalsall
While Stan needs to go, it is clear the problems go above him and right at the top. As many are saying, firing Stan alone is pretty much worthless since the root cause of the bad decisions will still be in place. Executive management at FAI should be cleaned out. Develop a task force with actual successful Irish football managers/coaches/executives to select the new manager and set other issues right. This task force would include Niall Quinn, Roy Keane, Mick McCarthy, Liam Brady, etc. True, this is a group of people who have personal disputes but if you said, gentlemen, Ireland needs your help to set this right, please spend a couple days a year in meetings on setting Irish football right. Topics would include: picking a manager for the national team, setting general best practices into place in terms of training, conditioning and other preparations, making the League of Ireland a better product, improving the Irish youth football system and more. These gentlemen could be well compensated for their time. They could function like a board of directors for a corporation, meeting semi-annually and help make sure management stays on the right course.
Just an idea, but, while Delaney can send in security to protect his fragile ego at Croke park, he can't very well do it in every stadium in the country; Drogs v Cork on Friday is on RTE, as are the two FAI cup semis next weekend - a few Delaney Out banners at each?Quote:
Originally Posted by soccerc
Sure you'd know about following utter garbage mypost :DQuote:
Originally Posted by mypost
4tothefloor is right in saying they can't stop any protests in Cardiff. I would love to see as many banners as possible.
"ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"
"STAN & DELANEY OUT"
Think thats a great idea about Banners at any televised eircom league game. Something has to be done. Surely the FAI have to take into account the majority of fans feelings on the subject of THEIR national team. Or at least the mgr should take stock and see that he hasnt got the support of the nation and do the honourable thing. :mad:
how comfortable did the Cypriots look on the ball last nite?made us look like amateurs.
Describes my feelings perfectly. THe performance up to the goals sucked whatever enthusiasm I had out of me. I can't describe the anger I feel towards that wa**k*r Delaney and the rest of the FAI for allowing this to happen.:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
The booing was good and deserved until we scored and I couldn't understand alot of people jumping around like we had just scored in the last minute of the WC final against Brazil and then it was back to the booing:rolleyes:. clap clap..clap clap clap.. clap clap clap clap ..Ireland:rolleyes:
I'm guessing it's because most people still support the team and the players and most of the booing was aimed at Stan and Delaney.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dublin12
first game I hadnt travelled to in a long while, and when they scored I didnt budge or feel anything, much the same for our goal. I was even wondering why so many people were celebrating like they were, but sure I suppose if there it was at least something to shout about. Just feel so drained from it all and as if it doesnt give a cr@p anymore. I genuinely felt sorry for Staunton last night. He doesnt know what he is at, and he shouldnt have taken the job, but at the end of the day he is a decent sort but is just totally inept at his job. He shouldnt be there. Dunphy et al eluded to that last night too, and could see they were genuinely sympathetic to him after hearing his interview.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dotsy
edmundo, that is the best line i have ever read on this site. All hail.Quote:
Of course all of this is irrelevant as Stan is staying on, and worst of all that féckless muppet, the mothership of ineptitude, Oscar Wilde is still atop his Ivory Tower at the FAI
Your post in general is spot on too.
Spineless disorganised performance from the team, dont think any player emerged from the game with an ounce of credibility except maybe finnan and given.
This campaign has seen three of the worst results in living memory, wheres the progresss- there is none!!
Lets analyse the campaign:
1: Germany away, solid performance, at times over ran and never troubled the germans. Fortunate goal but signs of encouragement.
2: Cyprus away - one of the very worst nights in Irish football.
3: Czech Rep, best performance of the campaign, took the lead only to throw it away after. If everyone hadnt been in severe shock after the previous game, no one would have been happy with the draw. opportunity lost
4: San Marino, good if unimpressive win.
5: San Marino - one of the very worst nights in Irish football.
6: Wales and Slovakia - two wins but on reflection, two poor performances, with the slovakia game slightly better. In hindsight both opposing teams had chances to equalise - narrow wins.
7: Slovakia - Great start, which slowly deteriorated at the game wore on, baffling substitutions resulting in a late goal conceded.
8: Czech Rep - over ran for the first half hour, have a decent 30 mins after until the sending off. Not the worst performance of the campaign by any means but never looked close to getting the required win.
9: Germany - solid performance, however were the Germans that bothered seeing as the already had qualified. Bit like the czech home game, opportunity lost for a good home win.
10: Cyprus - one of the very worst nights in Irish football.
After that brief summary, how anyone can say there has been progress throughout the campaign is beyond me. From the first time in years, we were out of the runnning with 3 games to go. Yes new players have been blooded etc but there the positives end, the team lacks direction and organisation which is essential in a team of Irelands ability. Ireland do not have many top class players but we have always had a spirit and organisation to do ourselves proud and more often than not punch above our weight. This team is without doubt underperforming.
I do think we are missing quality players in key positions - ie CM, that we used to have in previous years, but we are not playing to our strengths and using what we have. Our strikers had nothing to work with last night - against Cyprus! This team has consistently failed to impress throughout this campaign and last night illustrated how devoid of ideas, plans, direction, organisation.......this team is.
Please for the sake of Irish football let this not continue anymore, I saw plenty of young kids there last night watching on, would you want to come watch Ireland again after that? No way, not only is the current team being destroyed, the future for Irish football is at stake as well. These kids dont remember the glory days that we were lucky to experience. If we dont sort our house out and quickly, we may be in the doldrums with the 4th and 5ths seeds for a long time to come. I wish I had an answer, the obvious thing is to sack the manager, but this time we need an experienced organised manager to replace him, not another set of false empty promises.
Good post. And spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy
Looks like Scotland, Wales, Norn Iron and England all will not qualify along with us and like us will probably finish third or worse. I think all their Football Associations should resign en masse along with their managers.
Now now Owls fan, less of that.
Scotland out up a gallant effort and may well still do it. I'd bite your arm off to be in their shoes now. Wales never had a chance in this group and i've no idea whether the FAW is doing a good job or not.
Norn Iron have given it a good shot. They're done their status in the game the world of good.
We have been a bloody disatster in this campaign and the fault lines from the top of the FAI down are there for all to see.
Given 8 - Did everything asked of him (again) and played a lot more quick ball to his full-backs and wingers.
Finnan 6.5 - Got done for pace once or twice and left the Cypriots through in the first half from that quick free-kick when he couldn't decide whether to follow his man or play offside and half tried to step up. The one time he linked up with Keogh he put in a decent cross. (Gets a bonus half point for being there to score)
O'Shea 7 - Amazingly, one of his better games for Ireland. Talked a lot to the people around him and tackled well. Was the only one covering back when Hunt gave the ball away and the Cypriot tried to lob Given.
McShane 6 - Looked a bit lost at times but gave 100% as always.
Keogh 4 - Out of position, can't be doing anything for his confidence, lots of space down his flank but he never looked like he knew how to exploit it. Several times he played the ball to Finnan and should have turned looking for the ball over the top into space.
O'Brien 5 - Was fine when he did his job but shown up badly when he tried/had to do Reid's job - too many passes went astray.
Reid 5 - Mixed bag. Lots of poor balls, but still the only person on the pitch delivering quality passes. His awareness was far above his execution last night.
Hunt 5 - 100% effort, didn't play well by his own admission, two balls that he failed to control on the sideline in the second half epitomised the performance really. Along with Keogh, the crossing was abysmal. Missed a good headed opportunity.
Keane 6 - lots of effort again. His running won several throws and corners and he defended well from the front. One header missed (so did Doyle and Hunt) and at times looked like he was trying too hard. Never really linked up with Doyle to any great effect. It's still not a coherent partnership.
Doyle 5 - Slightly anonymous game. Put a header straight at the keeper but didn't really get a sniff after that.
Subs
McGeady 6 - Did a Hunt when he came on and started to run at the defenders a bit more. Good cross for the goal, but one good cross in 45 minutes is not a good return. Ran sideways a lot and the strikers not alive to passes.
Miller 5 - Meh.. didn't do much noticeable. Looked like he was getting in the way and had no clear instructions from the bench.
Murphy - Pushed Doyle out on the right where he looked relatively dangerous but never got a chance himself.
The main things that struck me were
- lack of movement off the ball
- woeful crossing
- very slow passing - everyone needed 3 or 4 touches, especially when switched across the back 4
- no attacking threat from full-backs - the one time Finnan got forward gave us the only chance of the first half.
- lack of footballing build-up - the tactics seemed to be "give it to a wide man, let him beat a defender and put a cross in" - surely we could have kept the ball a bit better and been more patient.
A shambles yet again! Absolute dross, so much for Keanes "revenge for Nicosia" nonsense. It's fairly obvious from that display last night that these players have either lost the will to play for Stan or are just plain un-interested in playing for Ireland? I find it hard to believe that the players don't want to play for their country so I have to conclude that they don't want to play for Stan. After last night I really can't see how we can go into the WC qualifiers with this set up. It's bad enough being out of the running 3 games left but to out by so many points is telling and with 3 points picked up from a possible 12 that's just not good enough and certainly does not represent progress as the FAI and Delaney are trying to spin. This is woeful, this squad may not be blessed with 'world class' players and in truth many are average to say the least but they should be doing better than they are and we had a tiny glimpes of what they can do when they are 'managed' and motivated. I fear for our International future if this is allowed to continue, we are now in serious danger of being 4th seeds for the WC and lets face it under Stan that's going to mean one thing 'disaster' The FAI who appointed Stan have put Irish football on the road to oblivion and commercial suicide. Nobody is going to want to pay big money to watch or be associated with a bunch of bottlers and losers and if that idiot Delaney can't see the writing on the wall then someone within the FAI needs to develop a set of balls and ram it home to him pretty fast because there's only so much people will take before they walk away and judging from the numbers walking out of Croker last night that scenario is already under way!
Proper fans should do what needs to be done and boycott games irrespective of privileges lost as only then may this farce be finally brought to an end. Yes proper fans keep going to the games and giving the FAI your money and follow our country further into the abyss (impossible as we are at rock bottom already and have been for about a year now) while having the occasional moan on here. That's the way to change things alright.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Lord
As for Stan f**k him being a loyal servant to his country. Any good he may have done as a player has been long since undone with his stubborn refusal to step down from a job he so clearly is unable to perform. If he had any loyalty for Ireland and the fans he would have resigned over a year ago after those pathethic performaces to the Dutch and the Cyrpiots.
He's an arsehole of the highest order.
Absolute shambles last night, No drive or determination, no fighting spirit, no organisation, control or game plan.
That's the managers fault.
What's worse, is our young players are being severley damaged by this. Mcshane, O'Brien, Keogh etc.. are having the confidence kicked out of them by Staunton's inability to grasp the basics of management.
Words fail me.
And you would step out of a job if it cost you €800k? Don't break your neck falling off that high horse. I wouldn't. I'd wait for the FAI to pay off my contract or negotiate a deal behind closed doors which may be happening "by mutual consent".Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
I can honestly say I wouldn't destroy my entire countrys football team and take the deserved abuse he has been taking for another 2 years to make 800K, particularly if I was a multi-millionaire already. I don't think this can be classed as sitting on a high horse.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Numerous better paid and more capable managers than this dunce have resigned, many from clubs that they owed no allegience to so wake up and stop sticking up for this muppet.
Clubs will probably get fined unless their stewards take them down.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonofstan
If this is the case (and it is), how can everything be John Delaney and Steve Staunton's fault?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigmac
The players are underperforming and look short of ideas. This is the managers responsibility. Could it be that he can't inspire them? Could it be they don't really rate the guy? Either way the buck stops with him and is his problem to sort out. He hasn't done it.
Delaney promised us a Ferrari and delivered a Fiat so he has to go too.
I agree with that to a certain extent, Staunton's motivational skills, erm, certainly leave something to be desired. And, yes, John Delaney is an idiot.
BUT, it's not an international manager's job to make sure his players can keep possesion of the ball for more than 2 seconds, and I'm sick to death of this crap where the Irish team "raise their game" for big matches against Germany or France or whoever and then fall apart against Cyprus or Slovakia or Macedonia. That's a complete lack of professionalism, pure and simple. Do they think they just have to turn up in order to beat these teams?
RTE lunch time news...
Tony O'Donohue outside Merrion Sq - "silence this morning is deafening" "delaney and staunton must realise the game is up" ----- heres hoping!!
oh no wait...MAXI...MAXI....DONT DO IT MAXI ...NOOOOO":D:D
They may not be your first choice, but I can assure you David Connolly, Mark Kennedy, and Gary Breen can get (and have gotten) the job done against Cyprus.
To say that is to fundamentally misjudge what the problem is.Quote:
Originally Posted by theworm2345
tony o donoghue is a legend! fair play for asking him aif he is starting to question his own ability!!
Like many others was just numb last night. Our move to Croker couldn't have been any less euphoric. 3 out of 4 games had a brutal atmosphere. The Slovakia match was the only game that had a consistently good atmosphere.
Horrible to see the Hill empty like that. There were a group of black lads at the back of the Lower Cusack macking a great racket all throught the game, they were very impressive.
As for the game itself, well there's nothing to add that hasn't been said here already. I genuinely was pleased with the line-up with the exception of Andy Keogh.
Its one-thing doing what Charlton did (playing the likes of WHelan or McGrath at full back) as you had intelligent MEN capable of dealing with things. Whereas now kids (a la O'Brien/Keogh/Murphy) are being asked to play positions that are alien to them, and their capabilities are being unfairly questioned due to them being played out of position.
The thing that galled me from listening to supporters and even the pundits is the total lack of knowledge about our own players. Joey O'Brien is a centre midfield player. He filled in an emergency role for Bolton as a right full and suddenly all of our wonderful supporters castigate him. I thought he did ok. He got stuck into tackles, when he played simple passes he was fine, it was the more intricate stuff he failed on. Which leads to Reid. I thought he was dire last night. No excuses his passing was terrible. The only thing that lets him off is the outlets on the wing were worse. Which leads onto....
Andy Keogh. I feel sorry for him. He's going to be tainted with these performances in time to come. where does he play for Wolves? Where did he play when he struck up that incredible partnership with Sharp for Scunthorpe? It wasn't in the position where he has played the last two matches.
There is without doubt a terrible malaise in the International set-up. This was evident with each addition to the back up staff. Kevin McDonald? Pat Devlin? Mick Byrne? Alan Kelly? Come off it. It says a lot that our most successful underage coach ever doesn't have any sort of role to play.
There are good players playing for us and there are good players coming through both at home and abroad. This includes te eircom league, as well as the underage squads. This craic of organising a B game once a year isn't good enough.
Are we better than our current position? I believe so. Is it as simple as having a proper structured backroom? I believe so. I've never seen a team as devoid of ideas or dependent on a sorry few as this current team.
One last thing. For all those who questioned Steve Finnan over the past couple of months. Go fupp yourselves. The only player to come out of last night with any credit bar Given was Finnan. One of the finest full backs in the game and we've misused him criminally.
I didn't watch the game, all I know is that we've lost (basically at least) twice to Cyprus and the we never lost to them before in qualifying when Breen and Connolly were there.Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
Delivered a pushbike more like....Quote:
Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse
As for the players, I think certain people (Humpty Dunphy especially, as it suits his current agenda) are way over rating them. An average bunch of players is what we have. (With a few exceptions.)
I'm adding you to my ignore list because all you do is spout the same line again and again and again about what players have been gilted and what they would ahve done. I actually like Connolly, and feel he gets hard done by on here, but your repetitiveness on the topic fuels my ire on the subject. Add to the fact that you're commenting on a match you didn't see never mind didn't go to and your arguments are pointless to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by theworm2345
Good question. Certainly the players have a lot of responsibility, but let's not forget that the behaviour missing for Ireland is automatically present for hteir club teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveyCakes
Movement off the ball is a 50-50 split. Players need to make the runs, but the coaching team needs to clearly define the tactics and how the team should play. this is even more important if the players aren't doing the right things automatically. For example if the full-back has the ball then the winger should either come short to get the ball, or make a run for the ball over the top - he should not just stand there. A midfield player needs to make himself available, and the centre half needs to drop back ready to receive the ball if there are no options forward. This would mean that if Steve Finnan picks up the ball in defence he has several viable options
- Andy Keogh comes short, plays it straight back to Finnan and turns his man for the ball over the top
- Andy Keogh calls for the ball over the top if the opposition full-back is out of position
- Andy Reid picks it up in the centre circle and can pick out a pass
- The ball goes back to McShane and is quickly transfered across the back 4 to Kilbane, who should have the same options there
The woeful crossing is the players' fault, coaches here can't do much except work on crossing, and impress on the players that the ball has to beat the first man. Reports I've heard from training in Malahide suggest that little structured coaching is being done, rather it's a week of fitness and mini matches.
The slow passing across the back should be addressed in training. Several times I watched McShane pick up the ball, turn down an opportunity to immediately spread it to Finnan, dither on it for a bit and then move it along. The centre halfs should be told that when the ball comes across from the full back they should immediately be looking to move it wide on the other side - you might say this would be a tactic even...
Attacking full-backs is another tactical issue, they need to be told that they should attack if the manager wants them to, and a strategy for getting them the ball should be worked out, eg. a little triangle with a midfield player, the winger and the fullback. Finnan passes to Reid, takes off up the wing. Reid plays it out to Keogh who has the option of Finnan steaming up outside him.
The lack of build-up I place squarely at the manager's feet - the tactic was obviously to get wide and put crosses in, but when this wasn't working there was no plan B.
In summary, one of two things happened. Either the tactics from Stan were incredibly vague and hadn't been worked on in training to any sufficient degree or Stan had the tactics spot on, but the players went out and didn't put into practice what they had been working on at training all week. Both prospects are equally disturbing.
For the remaining matches befiore we start the next campaign we should be trying (as best as possible) to come up with our best starting eleven. If players aren't performing (given that effort and passion should be expected regardless of ability).
We have a number of positions up for grabs. The way to go would be have our core players and try and use filler as little as possible.
As I see it we have (given that everyone who is eligible is available)
GK Given
RF Finnan
CB Dunne
CB
LB
RW
CM Reid
CM Reid/Potter
LW Duff
CF
Cf
The blank spaces are just that, blank spaces, as these positions have nobody who over the course of this campaign can say " yeah I justify my position here or there".
And particularily in right midfield and left back these are definitely our two problem positions. We've had nobody solid there since McAteer and Irwin, respectively, retired. McGeady does not seem to be able to cut it on the right. Maybe he doesn't believe the others around him believe in him? Would it be worthwhile to say to him 'look, you're going to be a mainstay of this team for the next 2 campaigns, relax and let your football do the talking for you'? If not then an out and out right sided player has to be measured up, regardless of whether they are League1 or eLOI. This lark of playing players out of position just to accomodate them has to stop. If John O'Shea isn't good enough to get in ahead of Dunne, O'Brien, McShane or whoever then tough. Likewise for any of the centre forwards or any position on the team.
I bought a very nice salad sandwich from the Centra near Quinns before kick off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Réiteoir
That's pretty much it.
I dont think their is even a point in getting angry, every bit of anger at this management team has been released now. Never have i felt so disinterested watching an Irish team. I think Setantas teletext put it perfectly
'Shambolic Ireland rob a draw'
Thats exactly what we did, we robbed a point at home to a ****ing island from the Medditerranean
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Originally Posted by Kingdom
kingdom , a bit harsh there , he's a young lad and he lives in chicago i believe so cut a bit of slack , connolly is muck though jaysis !
Great post and great points. really the FAI spin machine kicked in very early. remember when Dunne came out and said the players didn't understand what was being asked of them? I seem to remember it didn't get too far in the media.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigmac