Dawkins is seen at Mass-what a turnaround.

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Originally Posted by micls

Do you not find it ironic that you ask for proof of the big bang while providing no proof for your alternative of a God

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theyre equally as likely/unlikely and equally difficult to prove or disprove though and therein lies the question of faith. Without wanting to sound too sappy, when you look at the world and nature and the way we work and the perfection of the world its hard not to see some sort of divine creation in there, in my opinion. What i find more difficult to believe is that somehow everything just randomly aligned itself perfectly in the only way that earth could have been created as it is (a multi-billion to one chance)...

However, one thing Dawkins did convince me of was the pure evil of organised religion.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

theyre equally as likely/unlikely and equally difficult to prove or disprove

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Not so. We have zero evidence of the existence of a divine being. Going back to my "tiny invisible rooster that has amazing strength, supporting the earth on its shoulder scenario" by your rational they are equally likely/unlikely.
As for looking at things and wondering how they came into existence, thats just a primitive instinct inherited from the first humans who assumed because an arrow head or a hut had to be made by someone in order to come into existence then so did the natural world.

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As for looking at things and wondering how they came into existence, thats just a primitive instinct inherited from the first humans

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i always thought it was just cos i smoked too much weed. :D

regarding the rooster theory, i dont buy into this line of argument - in other words ridiculing something by likening it to something even more ridiculous. Its a pretty cheap way of trying to make a point.

but youre right, i dont have much in way of evidence to support a creator but i dont have much faith in the big bang theory either. Personally i find a creator to be more likely, you clearly find the alternative to be more likely. Its a matter of opinion and i respect youre right to hold that opinion. Its not like either of us will be able to say "i told you so" anyway!!!! :D

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but youre right, i dont have much in way of evidence to support a creator but i dont have much faith in the big bang theory either. Personally i find a creator to be more likely, you clearly find the alternative to be more likely. Its a matter of opinion and i respect youre right to hold that opinion. Its not like either of us will be able to say "i told you so" anyway!!!! :D

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Its not that I have faith in the big bang theory, as it is yet unproven. Its that I have a lack of faith in a creator. I dont know if the big bang is 'right' but from what Ive read it seems more probable to me than a creator(which I would consider baseless apart from faith).

Tbh Im not that bothered what the right answer is, i just dont blindly have faith in something I see no proof for. Whoevers right it wont matter a tap in the end....unless I go to hell of course

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i dont have much in way of evidence to support a creator but i dont have much faith in the big bang theory either.

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I don't believe in the big bang theory either.
The Big Bang Never Happened

As for the rooster theory being even more ridiculous, well you probably wouldn't think that if you'd been brought up as a Roosterfarian. :D


Funny song on the subject:

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what i said was where does your conscience come from if not from God??

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If it is from a God, it's obviously a different one from most organised religions, who are in the most part misogynistic and homophobic and would rather see the spread of AIDS than educate people about condoms. If that's the type of morality God gives you, frankly you can keep it.

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Originally Posted by eamo1

:).so Lionel you said ye took back sundays and are taking back christmas,why?? what did "we" do with Sundays and Christmas that was so bad??????.

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I have to confess:eek: to having been a little trite and tongue-in-cheek there. I must resolve to use more smileys. ... though just as an aside on how the religious preference of some can impinge on the preferences of those beyond their camp -you only have to go about 100 miles up the road and you'll find a football league that will encounter considerable hostility should it ever attempt to switch fixtures to a Sunday.

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a day of rest where you werent dragged around shops by your girl etc.And christmas,a time of joy and peace which charities use to love as they would get loads of oppurtunities to collect money.now everyone spends their money on rip off priced presents that will be forgotten about in a few months....

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I agree with much of that. It's for another thread dealing with our socio-economic drift toward a U.S. model of (in)convenience culture where I'd personally prefer something closer to the French model where there's opening times, closing times and lots more free time as far as I can see. You'd like France. They shut up shop for what can seem like the most trivial reasons by our standards. All the usual holidays plus ...unknown local saints day? Fine. Shops close.
Local gluesniffers just witnessed face of Jesus in a discarded pizza tray?? Down tools. Everybody out -and grab a six pack on the way.

It's great.

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What i mean with reguard to the religious&moral question is your voice inside you that tells you whats "right" and "wrong",where does that come from??its your consciencness yes?so we believe your consciencness comes from God,where do ye think it comes from??.

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Reciprocal altruism. Look it up.;)

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Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie

You'd like France. They shut up shop for what can seem like the most trivial reasons by our standards. All the usual holidays plus ...unknown local saints day? Fine. Shops close.
Local gluesniffers just witnessed face of Jesus in a discarded pizza tray?? Down tools. Everybody out -and grab a six pack on the way.

It's great.

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Brought a tear to my eye I have to say, I really have to move back there soon :)