Would it be an idea for The Bohs to put a collection together to pay for the damage?
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Would it be an idea for The Bohs to put a collection together to pay for the damage?
The publican, Kingsley Curry, was interviewed on BBC NI this evening and said that there were two Canadians in the pub when it happened. Two Canadian girls, that is. Can't remember the exact phrase he used, but he indicated that they were traumatised by the suddenness and ferocity of it. And if you've ever seen what it takes to smash plate glass windows, and the noise and debris it causes, you might understand why.Quote:
Originally Posted by biscuit
Still, as lofty says , maybe "there is more to the story!" :rolleyes:
its being discussed on our forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bald Student
Named and shamed.
Look at the convicted on the RTE News ....
CLICK to see tv news report
http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1010/derry.html
Indeed - the four pleaded guilty to the charges:Quote:
Originally Posted by Soko
"The men were jailed for three months after pleading guilty at Derry Magistrates Court to riotous behaviour. Three also admitted criminal damage"
"Two other men and two youths who were also arrested have been released without charge"
Apparently these others spent a night in the cells before their release. Since the four convicted were charged on the basis of CCTV, my guess is that the police didn't have adequate evidence (film) of the four who were released without charge?
Anyhow, if it discourages others from thinking they can travel up to Derry and cause trouble with impunity, which I suspect it might, then it is just the right medicine (imo).
Usual not real fans i suppose, i know we have had serious hassle with bohs support over the past couple of years, same excuses everytime
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But Lofty was talking out of his hat earlier ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Got mixed up with a set of true Bohs fans who I pointed towards the Oakgrove bar yesterday, therefore I thought it was them involved, therefore my presumption in more to the story.
I don't see why the ordinary Bohs fans should pay for the damage.
The owner himself refused an offer from the culprits in lieu of jail time.
Maybe Bohs are culpable to some distant extent, but how far can that go. these guys arranged their own transport to Derry and trashed some pub in the town.
It is brilliant to see it happen, maybe it might raise a few eyebrows amongst the Gardai down here on how to deal with this social problem. Its just a pity they evaded the law in the Brandywell, if they were elsewhere it would have been completely separate from the game.
Sentence was a bit lean though, is that what you'd get if it weren't 'football related'? Is there anyway photos of the convicts could be given to club stewards around the league to prevent them entering games anywhere in the league again?
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tis-smeee
People like you don't help the case. There were 5 club organiseed buses, these guys weren't on any of them. There were 6 hundred bohs fans cheering on the team last night, 7 muppets caused trouble away from the ground. I think its a justified position to say they are not real fans.
Yeah like we were told the fans who broke our bus window, broke a players window attacked our fans werent real fans, accept the fact that they are bohs fans a horrible section of bohs fans but bohs fans all the same.To be frank its people like you who dont help the case by putting your hands over your eyes and pretending none of it is you problem, time for a reality check.
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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
7 muppets were caught
There is very little you can do about this though. If people want to behave like animals in random areas of the country, they will do that
Scoring a few cheap points agianst us on a message board won't make you feel any better Tis. Bohs fans don't try to cover up for their scumbag element or try to play them down but I'm not feeling any personal responsibility for this or any other attacks.
Just for the record I don't recognise any of the younger scumbags who were sent down but I do recognise the older one called Frankie O'Reilly.
Let the Foot.ie record state that he is a home and away supporter who is regularly seen in the long bar at Dalymount. They don't hand out membership cards to holigan groups but as far as I am concerned he is a fully fledged member of the BSC.
I also think the guy is boarderline retarded but that's only my opinion.
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its time for a reality check yourself. Where has he put his hands over his eyes and denied anything? All he said was that these guys DID NOT travel with the buses organised for fans by the club. They organised their own bus so they could travel together, get ****ed up together and presumably with the sole intention of causing trouble. They are not real Bohs fans. Not by any stretch of your overworked imagination.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tis-smeee
I kind of know Frankie too and he is definitely slow. In fact id imagine he was lead pretty easily by the other younger scumbags. He is that sort of person.
It's well past the time the Gardai got tougher with the hooligan element that's attached itself to EL clubs. Maybe they'll take a leaf out of the PSNI book. The Bar Owner wasn't taken any sh1t either.
What a crowd of planks in this age of consensus, when even Big Ian and McGuinness are getting on, they go into a pub and start shouting sectarian slogans. Rocks for brains they have. Will probably lose their jobs too. Good enough for the planks.
Must have thought they were in the Dublin District Court facing a €50 fine and a few hours community service.:rolleyes:
Agree with this 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by onceahoop
Serious misjudgement from the scummers. The Gardai really need to sit up and take notice. Two or three moves like this and the EL's crowd problems would be wiped away. Much respect to the bar owner too.
Crying as they got sent down
LMFAO at the big hard men
Here's hoping the loyalist prisoners are still fond of body building and rubbing lotion into one another
Mr Curry is an absolute hero for not taking the compo and insisting on punishment being handed down.
Also shows what a ****e "police" force we have down here - 18 hours from offense to conviction in Derry - it'd take that long for the Gardaí to order their next batter burger and chips from the Burdocks van.
Have had enough of this BSC ****e everywhere we go - this event has now laid at the feet of the club that the time for excuses is over - act now or forever be labeled as Sectarian Apologists...
Delighted these prats were sent down.
There wasn't the least sign of trouble in the ground, both sets of fans well behaved and only interested in the game, Bohs fans in general should not be tarred with the same brush as these d!cks.
Fair played PSNI, they acted swiftly and show the gardai how these boys shoud be dealt with.
One of these guys is a security guard and another a local authority employee. Surely their jobs should be at risk after such behaviour even leaving out the criminal convictions.
LOL, potm Steve!Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
They'll serve 6 weeks each (50% remission) and will be out around 23 November. If you're 21 or over you go to Maghaberry, and if under 21 then it will be Hydebank!!
BAT, any info on those prisons for us not in the know?Quote:
Originally Posted by BleusAvantTout
Hope they realise that the only service they'll be doing is getting serviced by the tatoo brigade in Maghabery. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by onceahoop
They went in a car. So! Im sure there was plenty of decent bohs fans that travelled by car you also disassociate your club from those fans?
What the hell are you on about now? You make the Sligo fans look articulate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tis-smeee
you imbecile. How many times do you have to be told something before it sinks in? Where the FCUK was a car mentioned????? ffs... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tis-smeee
Exactly.
What are you talking about?
Those who were involved last night hired their own bus, which they wrecked, to bring them to game.
The driver went back to Dublin without them.
The cops looked at the CCTV and then checked all the Bohs fans waiting for the 00:45 bus from Derry, arresting those that they could identify from the footage.
Apparently there were a few others sweating on whether they would detained as well.
The post said they organised there own transport, am i psychic . I make the same point but substitute bus for car.
Maghaberry is a high security prison about 18 miles from Belfast and 7 miles from Lisburn. It contains all categories of prisoners including lifers. A cross between Mountjoy & Port Laoise!Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
Hydebank is a Young offenders Centre, 6 miles from Belfast City Centre. It used to be very strict, almost a "boot camp" when it opened in 1979. It is less strict now but still "yes sir, no sir, 3 bags full sir"! I can't think of a Southern equivalent but maybe like the one near Blacklion!!! I'm not sure what type of regime you have there.
I wouldn't fancy being in either but the 4 may "double up" with their co-accused. I'm not a prison officer or offender but am familiar with the criminal justice system up here.
so in your mind they were more likely to have organised a car than a bus? And thats ignoring the fact that i specifically said "bus".Quote:
Originally Posted by Tis-smeee
you can make the same point all you want man but its useless if youre going to ignore the content of everyones elses posts.
Are you psychic? No, though you are a bit erm... different.
My point is not whether they got a car or a bus , my point is that they are bohs fans, scummy ones at that, but you just cant say not real fans and forget about it, bohs in my experience have the biggest hooligan element of all clubs, what apart from saying they are not real fans are the club doing to rid the club of these fans?
That is called Loughan House...its been described more as a holiday camp than anything else, so definatly not as strict a regime...not strict enough for them anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by BleusAvantTout
We have a bad element for sure. And its doing nothing for our club or the league. I agree.Quote:
My point is not whether they got a car or a bus , my point is that they are bohs fans, scummy ones at that, but you just cant say not real fans and forget about it, bohs in my experience have the biggest hooligan element of all clubs, what apart from saying they are not real fans are the club doing to rid the club of these fans?
But what can we do as Bohs fans except come on to message boards like we have today and condemn the actions of a scummy minority?
The club has this season barred known troublemakers from Dalymount and has provided other clubs with this information etc. However the club needs to do more now including stopping BSC flags from being hung around Dalymount. And as has been mentioned on the bohs forum sending stewards to assist the security firms at away grounds to stop these cretins from gaining entry to the ground.
However, i dont see how the club can be held responsible for the actions of a number of mindless drugged up idiots in Derry city centre who travelled independently (on a bus). Can you give me some idea of what can be done in such a situation?
Oh dear, all that trying to be like the football factory, I bet they never thought that would be the ending to their apeing of them fine ambassadors of their clubs across the water.
Seen some of them on the news being lead out of the courthouse in their stone island clobber, seems like all that trying to be like Cas Pennent and his pals has payed off at long last. Maybe the Boh Solid Crew will get their own little piece on Bravo with Danny Dyer asking them about their pucker well organised firm, and Phibsboro being ''a right nort-eeee manor'.
But also, this should not be looked upon as reflection on the over whelming majority of real Bohs fans who I know are sick to death of this clowns dragging them down. I hope that everyone in the EL can move away from clowns like this.
I cant believe this actually happen in Irish football. I have always associated this with other countries and not in our League. Ive only ever witnesed real trouble at a Limerick match once. I was dissapointed with the news coverage of the attacks + arrests on RTE this evening. There is no proof what so ever that this incidence was football related yet on the news they opened the report saying "football violence". this should only be used when it happens in the ground. From reports ive heard the supporters in the ground were excellently behaved. The last thing the EL needs at the moment is negative press.
Scentence isn't lean at all for criminal damage, nor was it "football related".Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
My understanding is they got done under anti-sectarianism laws, which meant a stiffer scentence than they'd otherwise have faced.
I don't care if he lives on the set for 'The Bill' - how the hell will they be "out by the weekend".......? :confused: Is he expecting Bertie to personally intervene at a high level on a mission of mercy...?Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfc_1928
They've been sent down for 3 months. Therefore - they'll be in Maghaberry this weekend. End of story.
Sadly though it seems your club is intent on doing just that VM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vitruvian Man
Gerry Conway said the following on RTE news tonight :
Now - he may be technically correct to say that they don't come along to cause trouble every week, but there is clearly a wannabe hooligan element at Bohs, and the club is more than well aware of that. Those involved may not be up to acting the big-men every single week, but it's certainly not the "few and far between" instances that he mentioned either.Quote:
It's not as if we have a hooligan element who come along every week to cause trouble. That just isn't the case".
Bohemians FC needs to take it's head out of the sand here.
This would be a sensible starting point. It's ridiculous that the club lets a known hooligan group that has attached itself to the club openly and proudly anounce it's presence at every single game unhindered. By tolerating these fools the club has created the problem for itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Stopping any BSC banners at games from now on would start to send out the message that those pr!cks aren't welcome. The next home game would be a good time to do it, as their morale will probably be low with 4 of their fellow muppets in the cells.
I doubt they'd have the balls to do it, but will be interesting to see if any 'Free the Bohs 4' type banners make an appearance - especially at the Brandywell on Friday week. Will be interesting to see what Bohemians FC did to any such banners that appeared.
Bottom line is that this is the opportunity for Bohemians FC to show if they are serious about this issue, or whether they will continue to just hope it'll go away. Every ordinary Bohs fan can play a part in forcing the club's hand here - you are anything but powerless.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu