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Originally Posted by eirebhoy
What? Why in the name of jaysus would this guy want to hurt Dida? "FACT"? 3 or 4 times you've claimed that he intended to hit Dida good and hard but failed. Don't you think this is a sign of your bias getting the better of you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
i have watched the clip a good few time now and this is how i see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
1.
the fan ran onto the pitch celebrating and waiving his arms above his head -
he souldn't have come onto the pitch, no excuse
2.
as he got close to dida/passed him he reached out
a. to playfully slap his cheek, or
b. to get his attention in a type of slagging gesture -
again he should not have done either but to say his actions were malicious or that he ran on the pitch to intentionally hit the player is absurd. or to imply he meant to hit him but made a mess of it is crazy.
3.
Dida ran after the player and then obviously thought he better reaction was to go down and feign injury -
there is no excuse for these actions imo Dida was attempting to get the game called off by claimimg injury from the incident. Again there is no excuse for his actions here.
Nothing happened Spurs when the guy came on and missed Frank Lampard with a punch.
Dida has an obligation to his personal safety (bear in mind that one of his team-mates' relatives was kidnapped and murdered because of his status as a professional footballer, and he himself comes from a country where this is commonplace) and it was clear once that scumbag got on the pitch that security at the venue was inadequate. What if the next celtic savage who invaded his goalmouth was carrying a pocket-knife? I'm not surprised he tried to get the match abandoned, or at the very least attain the safety of the dressing rooms.
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Originally Posted by eirebhoy
3/4 times I said "the guy inteded to hit Dida good and hard" Please show me where I said it 3/4 times
Also, I said celtic will be punished, but never said what i think they should get. Others on here have said celtic should be docked points ar have to play behind closed doors. Why aren't you arguing with them? Or is it because of your anti Hibs bias ;)
"He ran across him with his arm out intending to hit him."Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
"But the FACTS are, a fan ran onto the pitch, towards a player, stuck his arm out with the intention of hitting the player"
"I claimed his intention was to hit Dida, he made a mess of it."
The reason I had to say "good and hard" is because many people would argue that the boy did hit Dida. It sounds to me that you think the boy wanted to hurt Dida but failed.
i'm surprised he comes out of his house at all! never mind plays in packed stadia! do you know if he gets danger money????Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
post-hillborough it is quite easy to encroach the pitch at all british stadia. all a club can do is attempt to prevent this by stewarding but this is not water tight at any british stadia. how many streakers get onto pitches??? or what about yer man who posed in the Man Utd photo a few years back in the CL. Or the loon who jumped in the net during the CL final (i think or else WC match) with some web address emblazemed accross his chest. when he threw a scarf around Figo's neck was that an attempt at strangulation!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
all a club can do to prevent encroachment is try to presuade fans from entering the playing pitch by hefty fines or bans, but these measures are retro-spective.
Celtic Savage?? a bit harsh. Celtic Idiot granted but Savage????Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
on the other part, any supporter in any ground could carry a pocket knife. your statement is a bit like 'what if the next car that passes me has a loon driving it and decides to knock me down.' a total hypotetical statement that has no bearing on the incident.
i don't think there is a person on this thread who does anything but condemn the supporter entering the field of play, but there is a total lack of preseptive in the situation. had Dida not feigned injury the incident would be dealt with by a small fine. Dida's over reaction has exaggerated the seriousness of the incident.
Dida's motives for feigning injury had absolutely nothing to do with his own safety! If it were why didn't he use his last few steps before he 'collapsed' to run toward the dressingroom instead of chasing the 'savage'Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
your post is either sarcastic (maybe i missed that), WUMming or you too are a bubble boy!
Can a mod lock this thread, it's absolutely pathetic?! And Hibs4Ever, you must have a lot of time on your hands:rolleyes:
right, I've read all the posts, and watched the video.
Here's my 2 cents -
1. Celtic are at fault for their stewarding; they allowed a fan to come on and make physical contact with a player (doesn't matter which player on which team). They should be punished in accordance with whatever the guidelines/regulations are.
2. It is clear that physical contact was made with Dida, however slight, and he went down afterwards. Now, the vast majority, including myself, believe he went down of his own free will for his own reasons. But the authorities will be reluctant, I think, to punish him in any way. By punishing a player for "diving" even when physical contact has been made would open up a huge can of worms, and I don't think they want to do that.
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Originally Posted by kev mcq
Why??
Kidnap - murder - pocket knife ? some imagination at play there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
Looked no more threatening than a streaker who kept his clothes on.
"I'm not surprised he tried to get the match abandoned"
Then, not a crime against football in your opinion ?
Well within his rights? :D
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afde...unduct_557.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Read the seventh page.
Directive
If blatant simulation, caution
Ifminimal contact, consider cautioning player
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=R3e-BHy1bksQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
Really?
Although "consider cautioning player" is different from the calls to ban and hang him.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
I sincerely hope no-one on this forum is stupid enough to suppose that those regulations apply in this case.
Whatever they do they should not let a can of worms get on the pitch
AC Milan did a great impression of worms last night , they spend more time wriggling on the ground it was embarassing to watch. Dida aside ,as that has all been beaten to death already on the tread , Kaka was an absolute disgrace . Best player in the world ..................as my ould fellow says if this lot were playing in Thurles with hurleys they would have to lock the gates to keep them in.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
fair point ... but anybody watching should be able to see whole picture keeper was struck by fan .. but made a 4 course meal out of it.. ... celtic should get fined or play next game behind closed doors.. but dida should also get punished by uefa also..Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
but with uefa anything is possible ... :ball:
why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
the worms would surely improve the drainage by providing those nice little tunnels. I say let the worms on but Ban the cans!
Because you're an absolute WUM. You obviously have a chip on your shoulder about celtic and the comment about the denmark match....:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
If you watch the video kindly provided by Torn-Ado, you will see that you really haven't a clue what you are talking about;)
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Originally Posted by kev mcq
So because I don't support celtic I'm not allowed talk about incidents at their matches? Tell me what I said on this thread that was bad about celtic to prove your point?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXxChycLh3k
Graham Stack knows how to defend his area :)
not at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
however you hold yourself up as someone with an unbiased view on the matter, when you seem to be anything but. not by any specific reference to Celtic but by your comments about the incident in general which don't seem to have a total grasp on reality imo.
I am a Celtic supporter, I cannot pretend to be totally unbiased on the situation however I feel that my views expressed on this forum are logical ones.
i.e. fan was 100% wrong to enter the pitch. was 100% wrong to have any contact with a player. but fans actions were not malicious. fan didn't mean to hurt player instead 'playful slap' as described in most papers today. dida totally over reacted. dida appeared to attempt to influence the overall outcome of the game by feigning injury.
You are not a Celtic supporter but your views are illogical on this matter and they seem to stem from an unhealthy begrudgary/hatred/dislike of Celtic.
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Originally Posted by galwayhoop
Complete bullsh!t :rolleyes:
I didn't slag celtic once on this thread. I gave my opinion on what happened. Other people on this thread have said a lot worse than me. But you guys and your anti Hibs bias have single me out ;)
Am gonna say no more here cause its pointless.
Limerick must have done something shocking, for having to play every game behind closed doorsQuote:
Originally Posted by jebus
hes a plank i hope uefa give him a nice 2 year ban. dida not the faN
People here seem to be giving the buffoon an awful amount of credit. The guy seems to have had too much to drink, managed to get onto the pitch and gets a rush of blood from there and tips Dida in a sort of "Ya big eedgit, ya" kind of way. Not acceptable behaviour but not malicious. Celtic should be fined and cautioned with threat of heavier sanctions in the future to deter this happening again. That Dida could concoct such nonsense in the middle of a rage inspired sprint is disappointing.
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Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
if you are incapable of debating then why even bother posting on a forum.
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Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
Good man, it's for the best. Anyone who says that the boy ran on to pitch intending to hit the keeper and meaning it as in a violent matter is clearly unbiased :rolleyes::D
Btw, I hear Silvio Belusconi has slammed Did for tarnishing Milans name and has said he should be dropped for this weekend's game as well as fined.
I doubt they searched all the home fans going in, and even if they did you'd easily get stuff past if you were so inclined.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Hilarious. I love where the guy who aims a kick at Stack, then sees what happens to his mate, back off and makes a gesture at a DISTANCE. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ash
Brilliant! Hadn't even known about that, when did that happen??
Duh. My point was that it's not the case that exaggeration is never punished.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
I'm with Giles on the disrepute charge.
Neil McD mentions the Spurs / lampard case. It's a good example but not neceessarily a precedent as it's the FA's jurisdiction not UEFA's (I presume).
Did Georgia ever face sanction when Kevin Kilbane had a knife thrown at him?
for impersonating a goalkeeper??!!:D:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by John83
Courtesy of the BBC.co.uk
AC Milan keeper Dida will face a Uefa investigation as well as Celtic after his altercation with a fan at Parkhead. (Independent)
A poll in Italian newspaper Gazzetta dello Sport took more than 60,000 votes by noon on Thursday in an online poll on Dida - with 83% calling on Milan and Uefa to punish the Brazilian. (Mail)
The fan in question has been given a lifetime ban from all Celtic games which is proper and right. As a result of the action of this individual Celtic FC should/will be punished for not controlling their fans inside the football ground. Playing the rest of their home group games behind closed doors would suffice in my opinion. Finally, Dida will be punished by Milan and UEFA for his pathetic response to the incident.
From the BBC web site:
"The 27-year-old has also been banned for life by Celtic after he made himself known to the Glasgow club."
Does this mean that he was able to get back into the crowd without being stopped by stewards???