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Scotland take 6 points off France, Wales hammer Slovakia. These are the kinds of things we should be doing with our squad. If Stan gave 2 fooks about Irish football he'd admit he's not up to it, stand down and give another coach the last 3 games to build for the 2010 WC qualifiers. He consistently refuses to play his best team and keeps duds like Kilbane and O'Shea in the starting 11. The chap is not management material.
Kilbane was as good as anyone and I think the solution to ou problems at LB.Quote:
Originally Posted by gwhite
Agree with all taht except for the Kilbane bit. He's a good player, and its not just Stan who won't drop him, I think you'll find he's been 1st choice with a fair few of our managers.Quote:
Originally Posted by gwhite
I'd add McGeady to your choice of O'Shea. Neither should ever play for Ireland again :mad:
Well then he should've started him there had had Hunt on from the start. I admit he did better at left back but all he did at outside left was give the ball away.
Who to replace Stan? Prob should start a new thread for this is there is not already one. "world class manager"
Oh well only another 2-3 years of this before Stan gets sacked. Guys who came out with credit tonight were Dunne, Doyle and Hunt (despite the dodgy sending off). Given was solid as we always get from him.
O'Shea, Kelly, Carsley and McGeady were poor. None of em are international class players and they struggled badly tonight. I thought Hunt brought a bit of bite to the team and livened us up but the sending off was the final nail in the coffin. I feel sorry for Stan, he's a nice fella but international managment is not for him, he's too stubborn to resign so we are gonna have to persevere for another 2/3 years. He'll ride out the criticism and come out with "we're building for the future" but I'd like to see some changes. Even if it's just to bring in a new right hand man to replace Bobby Robson.
Why were we so negative and uninspiring in the first 25 minutes? They looked clueless out there. I expected us to get at em and put some kind of pressure on the Czech's.
I'm not even gonna start slagging off JOS positioning for the goal.
The thing with Stan is, if he resigns now he might still be remembered as the great servant to Irish football who won 102 caps. If he stays he'll be remembered as the clueless pleb who took us into the footballing doldrums. We'll be 4th seeds in our WC group and, unless something drastic happens, many more qualification groups to come. It'll be a long time before we ever get to taste another WC/EC Finals.
"We are in a building process. I said that from day one. It's coming along nicely," said the Irish manager.
Low and behold he comes out with this beauty.
how can you say that? There is a chronic shortage of talent if this is the best we can pick. Shay Given and Robbie Keane (sometimes) and maybe Finnan are the only world class players in there. The absent Duff hasnt been world class in about 4 years. The rest are bottom of premiership, Championship and League One bog-standard players.Quote:
Originally Posted by cavan_fan
Nick Colgan - Barnsley
Colin Doyle - Birmingham City
Shay Given - Newcastle United
Wayne Henderson - Preston North End
Richard Dunne - Manchester City
Steve Finnan - Liverpool
Kevin Foley - Wolverhampton Wanderers
Stephen Kelly - Birmingham City
Paul McShane - Sunderland
John O’Shea - Manchester United
Lee Carsley - Everton
Jonathon Douglas - Leeds United
Darron Gibson - Manchester United
Stephen Hunt - Reading
Stephen Ireland - Manchester City
Kevin Kilbane - Wigan Athletic
Aiden McGeady - Celtic
Alan O’Brien - Hibernian
Darren Potter - Wolverhampton Wanderers
Andy Reid - Charlton Athletic
Kevin Doyle - Reading
Robbie Keane - Tottenham Hotspur
Andy Keogh - Wolverhampton Wanderers
Shane Long - Reading
Daryl Murphy - Sunderland
Why are Scotland beating France? Because they have a decent domestic league with 2 teams that qualify regularly for the CL. That allows them to nurture and develop their talent. Until the FAI come along and try to take it off them.
Why are Wales worse than us (with a very similar standard squad)? They have an even worse domestic league than us. Due to an agreement made with the english FA back in the 50's (i think) which coincidentally was the last time that Wales had a successful international team.
How can everyone just ignore the problem when its so f*ckin obvious? Blame Stan or O'Shea or whoever if you want but its not going to make a blind bit of difference until we get football at home sorted out. Mark my words.
biscuit - sorry man, i knew what you meant but i had to say what i did.
Ah but Staunton would've been lynched if he dared leave out Carsley any further just a few short games ago..when he was the popular "solution":rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
Wouldnt agree with that Scotland now have some decent footballersQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
but there certainly no better than us
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Originally Posted by hoops1
and so do we......
SkStu is right,but ive always said the same to those who dont go to games and all i get is why would i when its ****!
I'd be surprised to ever see him wear the green shirt again. We might as well give Potter/Gibson a go against Germany. As Stan says we're building for the future :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by dfx-
I noticed Whelan giving Carsley a lot of stick for not making himself available for the ball. I was more bothered that he wasn't picking up the runners from MF nor tidying up the MF.
and well done to Scotland. Fantastic result, by sounds of it they were well organised at the back.
Not Stans fault he's in the situation but he should do the honourable thing in admitting he's not the man for the job and step down. 102 caps stands for nothing in this job, it doesn't give ye managerial know-how. He knows he's on a learning curve but he should also know he's doing the country a disservice persuing his apprenticeship in a job with the expectancy of the nation to succeed.
More of the same I'm afraid and it's just not good enough. Full stop.
Yeah, excellent result for Scotland, I hope they make it. That way Alan Hansen will be doubly disappointed next summer, with hilarious consequences as usual. :D
But seriously, it would be excellent to see them in the finals, particularly when you think of the group they've had. Most people (myself included) gave them no chance in hell.
good result for you tonight Cymro. Go easy on us in Cardiff!!!
Fair play to your Lads Cymro.Toshack the genius?:)
Bellamy by all accounts had a blinder, I saw one of his goals and his pace left the defender for dead. Toshack has a bit of breathing space after that fine win I'd imagine.
Not sure if Toshack is a genius but it certainly goes to show what a decent manager with a limited squad of players can do. If we had a decent manager, we'd be wiping the floor with the Slovakia's and Cyprus' of this world, home and away, and we'd be taking 4 points off of the Czechs too.
Well at the moment it's going: good performance; bad performance; good; bad etc. We have 3 more games, so we're due a poor one when we play you going by the above, which I call Toshack's third law of inconsistency.
So expect us to flop spectacularly when we meet in Cardiff after having put a record 25 past San Marino and prior to that having repeated our most recent performance in Nicosia, against Cyprus away.
And yes, Bellamy had a great game, if not for him we may well not have even won never mind 5-2.
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There's the magic word. They are organised properly all over the pitch and their best players are played in their best positions.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
Looking at them tonight i think they have better players man for man
Go through their team. I don't believe they have. The only area where they seem stronger than us is in central midfield where they have Ferguson and Brown.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoops1
Their strikers tonight were McFadden (Everton benchwarmer) and O'Connor (don't see him scoring much at Birmingham). We have two strikers who are regular goalscorers in the Premiership (albeit Doyle for only one season).
McManus and Davie Weir (who must be 43 by now) in central defence (are they any better than Dunne and McShane?)
Given v Gordon
cant even remember how many times the commentator on bwin had even said how ireland had no organization in the second half. by the 80th minute it was kamikaze type stuff, everyone just running chasing the ball like an under 7s match
It's not as simple as just having a good league. Good footballing nations often have comparitively crappy leagues and vice versa. The Russian league is a top 10 European league, Russia are not a top 10 European team. The SPL is a top 10 European league, Scotland (in spite of recent results) are probably not a top 10 European team, although they are closer than Russia.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Ireland and Wales both have leagues ranked in the bottom 15/20 of Europe and yet have better national sides than that by comparison.
I would say the reason we are both currently failing at international football is largely down to the fact that a smaller percentage of our population plays football as a first sport than a lot of other European nations. Although we still do reasonably well considering our pitiful overall populations (4 and 3 million respectively). Scotland have a similar population but football is by far the biggest sport there.
Anyway, here, it's the rugby that stops us from succeeding, over in Ireland, it's probably a combination of Gaelic sports and rugby. That's the way I see it anyway. We'll always have good and bad teams in patches no matter how much money is pumped into our leagues because no one plays the bleeding game.
Yeah but it would help not having our players leave for england before having a try at the irish levelQuote:
Originally Posted by Cymro
with a decent manager we would had a great chance to quailfiy out of this group for euro 2008, lets hope the Fai see sense and sack stan before our chance of getting to the world cup are finished
stan out:mad:
As Liam Brady cuttingly pointed out it's not the FAi but one man:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Trainee
jaysus - just what i need - the eircom league 'martyrs" stirrung up the 'we're the only fans" . will ya ever for once and for all foook off....... ye're great - you gi top finn harps on a wet tuesday night with only a cup of bovril, and down to cork, and over to limerick, blah, blah, blah..... good luck - yiz are gettin annoying with the same old shiite.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Have to say i think some of the players arent up to it aswell as the manager
Dunphy's finest hour as a broadcaster tonight. Agreed with every word for a change.
i never once said that "we are the only fans". What absolute garbage. I said that we cannot rely on the Premiership to develop our players anymore. A solution to that problem is to invest in and develop our domestic game so we can develop our own players and have our teams (with majority Irish born players) qualifying for Champions League and so on and so on. To do that we need 1) Government investment 2) FAI to ensure this happens and apply it professionally and 3) Irish people to start supporting their local team.Quote:
Originally Posted by billybunter
If you cant agree with even the jist of what i stated then you are thick and deserve to be hurting tonight and you will be for years to come.
edit: BB, how good would it be for the Irish international team if we had 10-15 Irish born players to cheer for in the CL every year than just Finnan and O'Shea? Actually forgetting the international team for a second, the most simple question is how good would it feel for us soccer fans to have 10-15 irish CL players to cheer on each year??
Ref was a disgrace tonight, Hunt' tackle was not even a free kick!
Stan will not be sacked, be kept on by goon John Delaney,
What to hope for in the future, Stan learns from mistakes, hopefully he learns from these harrowing experiences and does better int hte next qualifiying campaign when we are third seeds and have an easier qualifying group. The three lads on RTE (Giles, Dunphy & Brady were all spot on in their remarks) Shows how bad Sovakia are when Wales thump hem 5-2 away!!!!!.
I wish Stan would go but he is young and thinks he needs hte job at this stgae in his career. But he shoudl stand aside and let someone better takover, but who is there???????? Is there anyone at that price? So let him stay on for next campaign hopefully he will learn but if I played soccer for Ireland I would not like him as manager. I have have good and bad managers at work and it makes some difference to your perfomance and the same is happening to the Ireland soccer team.
Yours in hope,
Soccer fan
Yeah we're building sand-castles, every match the tide washes them away... time to go Stan, you were a good player and thanks for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
How did Azerbaijan do?