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There's definitely something up regarding Garvan alright, but it's very debatable he deserves to be in the senior squad. How he's not in the U21s and didn'tmade the U19s earlier is a disgrace though.Quote:
Originally Posted by carloz
It's like a less high-profile version of Jack vs Dave O'Leary all over again.
Douglas, Colgan, O 'Brien - JOKE.
I have a feeling that Stan could be doing the same with Douglas - as he did with Breen for the Chile friendly last year - trying to find him a new club??? just a thought - probably wrong??
But I can't see him playing any part in any competitive match for the rest of this campaign as he is not good enough for an international side trying to qualify for a major championship not mentioning he is plying his trade in the third tier of English football.
Colgan will never ever play a competitive match so I don't get how he could be in Stan's big plan for the future.
O' Brien is playing for a very poor team in a league that is probably the equivalent to league of Ireland and Hibs would be strugglin if they were in the league of Ireland.
But I'm just praying that Stan is just resting Carsley because while he has said he will be part of the games in September, as far as I've searched I can't see any direct quotes from Stan saying that he's just been rested.
And I've looked at the comments from City fans on that interview with Stevie Ireland and th fans opinions are very mixed. A lot of them seem to think that he is not City standard or Premiership standard. IMO he looked very good in first couple of games
Best confirmed his allegiance to Ireland before the summer friendlies.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
Who would you drop from the 6 strikers in the squad for Best? Even if he was included, do you really think he would be in the squad for the qualifiers in September?
You really think that playing against Chile got Breen a move to Wolves?Quote:
Originally Posted by zenokelly
AFAIR he signed a few days before Mick took over there. What a happy coincidence that was....
And if Carsley gets injured, we'll only have Potter as experienced backup.Quote:
Originally Posted by zenokelly
Hibs won the Scottish Legue Cup last season, and are in the UEFA Cup this season,Quote:
Originally Posted by zenokelly
from http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=c...k=view&id=2280Quote:
Originally Posted by zenokelly
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On the omission of Lee Carsley from this squad:
“Lee wasn’t going to play in this match. I had a good chat with him and I didn’t see the point of him travelling and coming over there to sit around and watch the lads playing.
“Lee understands the situation. I’ve got to give other players experience in that (midfield) position because if Lee gets injured, we would be left short in that position. That’s the reason behind that but Lee will be in squad in September.”
you sure you did?Quote:
Originally Posted by zenokelly
From http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....l?page_size=50
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Keep at it, Stevie ! I thought you played really well last week !
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City fans have always taken the micky out of themselves, moaned at the club but they've always stood by players who gave their all. Stevie Ireland comes into that category
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if he was at the likes of united or arsnal people would be absolutely raving about him!
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Ireland has class (ask anyone from the academy past or present and they'll say he has the most ability of all the graduates)
I could keep going.Quote:
ireland is the "heir " apparent to barton, and i really feel he can make the position his own. He has plenty "up top" although his talent was a "bit thin" last season. maybe with a bit of "cultivation" he can improve and now that Steve "Wig"ley has gone, he will become more skilfull and move "ahead" of the other players who have stood in his way previously. Maybe with some training he can become our hairpiece...sorry "set piece" expert and "grow". better with time. He's hair he's there, he's every B****Y hair...steeeevie iiiireeeellland.
BTW if anyone's wondering about the "hair" references, check out Stevie's new appearance: http://www.mcfc.co.uk/default.sps?syndicatorguid=&rmasiteinstanceguid=&p agegid={439A001B-9F18-408E-BD8E-8466AB3C97FD}&bioid=12809&siteid=502
Yes if Best is banging in goals for a decent Coventry team over the next few weeks (very possible) he should be included at the expense of one of the other strikers that either hasn't been playing regularly (probably Long, Stokes and Elliot) or alternatively has been playing but not scoring.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Why not? He offers something different than the rest of the strikers and is a better target man than Daryl Murphy. It's harder to make a case for him though if he hasn't been given a run out beforehand hence this is a waster opportunity.
Guys for the life of me I cant understand why stan is leaving the defence so bare. We need to bring in O'dea and st.ledger for cover
Maybe the gaffer is going to come out of retirement.
It's equally possible that Long, Stokes and Elliot start banging in goals for very decent Reading, Sunderland and Wolves teams, or alternatively Best will have been playing but not scoring. Are you trying to justify Best's inclusion on something that may happen in the future?Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
You say he offers something different to the rest of the strikers, and immediately compare him to Daryl Murphy?Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
What a left leg!Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
All of the above have been tried and tested numerous times before. I wouldn't agree that it is equally likely that all three of Long, Stokes and Elliot are starting regularly and banging in goals. Long and Stokes at present don't even look like they'll be regular starters over the next few weeks nevermind scorers. Best already has scored for Coventry and should be playing regularly so why not give him a chance? This is just another case of arguing for the sake of it. Anyone should be able to see the advantages of trying him in a freindly except Stan.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Best is big and strong so he can play the Murphy role but he's younger, quicker, stronger and looks more clinical than the aforementioned who is at best (let's be honest) very, very average. So in that sense he offers us something different a clinical, quick, strong targetman. Reminds me of Morrison when he first started out at Palace. Unfortunately he didn't improve over the years as much as I'd have expected.
where did he get the hair "chop", i could be in need of the same soon :D
big difference alright: http://www.cobhramblers.com/files/StephenIreland1.JPG
what a difference a day...i mean a summer makes.
Douglas and O'Brien.........I'm bewildered.
Who will start instead of Carsley? Potter or Zinedine Kilbane?
Best finished last season at S'hampton strongly after a very good spell at Yeovial where he seemed to get his mojo back. But I saw him in the Derby play off and he was really poor, even if you forget about his horror own goal.
Stan's entitled to make value judgments about fringe players and on this occasion I think he made the right ones, or at least I've no complaints.
Tabb has started the season well as you say, but it's only 2 games in.
I'd forgotten about St. Leger until bwagner mentioned him above.
Let me know when you find out.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Do you remember Michailov(?) the Bulgarian 'keeper at USA '94? Now that was the syrup to end all syrups.
How Stan is going to line us up against Denmark.......
--------------Henderson---------------
JOS --- Dunne --- McShane --- Finnan
McGeady--- Douglas --- Kilbane --- Hunt
----------------Ireland----------------
----------------Keane-----------------
Our MF looks lightweight and we'll get 'done' if he goes with that system.
That rules out Carsley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Where did you get that?Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
I'd say Potter is more likely to start ahead of Douglas, and it's a judgement call between playing Ireland behind a lone striker, or going with Keane and Doyle up front
I'm not sure there is a MF line up we can select that isn't lightweight. Potter is tall, Kilbane is too but do we really want him in MF? S. Reid is injured, as is Joey O'Brien. O'Shea is derided as a midfield option.
my crystal ball!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
I'd personally have O'Shea at LB and keep Finnan at RB. In the centre of MF I'd have to think about it. Potter and A Reid looks lightweight as well. I think we'll miss Carsley.
Who cares if its lightweight its a friendly. Carsley will be back for the other two games so give Potter another chance to impress.
if we get stuffed 3 or 4 nil I think it would affect the confidence within the team/squad.... which would in turn probably have a negative bearing on the two crucial games next month. If we get a positive result in Denmark I think the players themselves will believe they have a chance of nicking 4 points over in Eastern Europe. That's why I'd want our strongest starting 11 in this friendly so close to an important double header. No point messing round with the team now - Stan had that opportunity in the States.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Don't get me wrong I rate Potter and A Reid as players (especially Reidy) but think they would be better off with Carsley at their side.
That's why Stan will probably go with Douglas. I have to admit our options are limited until S Reid returns.
Potter is pants. Nowhere near good enough against decent opposition. We need some decent holding midfielders to come through quickly.
Everyone is PantsQuote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
It's a good squad even if it's light in numbers at the back.
Luxury with 6 strikers and another busload of them not picked. Good to see Elliot back.
It's a squad for the next 2 qualifiers, future plans postponed and quite rightly.
Not everyone that's only a small proportion of all our players. Don't you agree many of them are pants though?Quote:
Originally Posted by joe_denilson
JOS is pants also and Andy O'Brien. McGeady is overrated pants too though he's still young enough to improve.
Douglas and O'Brien should not be in the squad!
How unfit is s.reid, will he be fit come sept?
Glad to see Murphy in there, i thought he done well in america!
Why is that? I thought Hibs was by far and away the best move for O'Brien.Quote:
O'Brien should keep well away from Hibs and see if he can get a move to the Championship if there are seriously 5 clubs interested (which I doubt) though he's pants anyway
I guess "pants" isn't complementary?
Stan was at Dundalk-UCD tonight looking at Darren Quigley.
No probs Guv!;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
yer aving a larf aren't ya?
(hence my disdain at the "Thierry Henry..." chants from the Irish in Paris '04).
Easy Easy Easy!!!
One of the funniest chants I heard in Paris 04 was "Who'll knock the Frogs Out!" to the tune of Who let the Dogs Out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Although it doesn't seem that funny any more :confused: :( .
Damn alcohol!
Stan gets in a bit of a dig at the press conference, only reported in the Examiner.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishex...121-qqqx=1.asp
“You were clamouring for Robbie not to be picked last season and then he ends up top goalscorer for Tottenham,”
“Robbie is a clever, inventive player that we haven’t got too many of. His influence around the squad is also invaluable, especially seeing as Shay’s not here. There’s only a handful of players with more than 10 caps in this squad and even someone like Kevin Doyle, who is now seen as a seasoned pro, has only nine. He’s still on a learning curve, like so many.”
If I knew how to quote individually I would so here it goes:Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
NO.1. It was widely talked about that the reason why Breen was in the starting line-up versus Chile was to put him in the shop-window as he had no club at the time. That doesn't mean I thought he got his move to Wolves because of it.
NO.2. Gretna also got into the Uefa Cup last year and who knocked them out? O ya some league of Ireland side - Derry City -Remember??;)
NO.3. I didn't see the article on the FAI website.
NO.4. I didn't say that Stevie Ireland was given all bad reviews on the City forum I said it was "mixed".
i.e. All quotes from the City website on comments on Ireland:
"4-4-2 tonight methinks with the same defence but Bojinov and Geo to replace Johnson and Ireland"
"Irelands problem is not lack of strength, that can be sorted with diet and weights, but his lack of pace gets him trampled and caught in possession.If Sven selects him we will not win tonight put your house on it. just like the 24 out of 27 Premiership games he has featured in the past."
"Ireland, like Mpenza looked good in Pearce's squad last season, however only time will tell whether they are upto playing in a team with the quality we now have. He needs to be playing his very best every single single game because we now have strong competition for places in the midfield and we also have a lot of very good youngsters like Johnson, Gelson Fernandez and academy boys who are all looking to take his place."
"In my honest opinion. Steven Ireland is not premiership material, I have already seen more from Johnson and he's been on the scene a lot less time than ireland has."
"He'll fit in at Oldham or somewhere, but NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE PREM!!!"
Tets, add Dean Brill to your list!
staunton must have taken PR lessons, he is definately more forthcoming in interviews and seems to have more general "cop on" now also. He is definitely talking more sense than before. maybe it was extreme case of the nerves or something. I am talking in relation to the examiner and two previous recent interviews i read.
stutts that answers your question btw, in fairness to him, how else can he judge a player other than how he has seen them perform and how they have performed for US.Quote:
Obviously, Shay, being the big player that he is, you always want him there but ask the other goalkeepers and they’re itching to get their chance. I think Wayne Henderson, apart from the mistake in San Marino, has done well. All three (Henderson, Colin Doyle and Nicky Colgan) did very well out in America and that’s why they’re still there. And there’s good competition behind them, including Dean Brill at Luton who we know is available and wants to play.
Who is this guy? I heard his name being mentioned in the interview last night. Where are Lewis Emanuel and Lee Frecklington these days?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
according to good aul wiki -"make it up yourself/change it if you are the cia"-pediaQuote:
Originally Posted by DeNiro
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Brill
he is an english* footballer born in luton and is 21
*not anymore :D