im not in any way expecting bohs to police anywhere, it was aimed at the few attention seeking idiots on here
btw a quick search on bebo would easily point BFC in the direction of quite a few of them
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im not in any way expecting bohs to police anywhere, it was aimed at the few attention seeking idiots on here
btw a quick search on bebo would easily point BFC in the direction of quite a few of them
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
So that had nothing to do with Bohs?Quote:
there have been other occasions where rovers have rampaged far away from football stadiums (Hill 16 Pub anyone)
That's not the case at all.Quote:
and here they are on here spinning this to make it sound like Bohs toerags have suddenly decided that they dont like Rovers and have invented a new type of hooligan activity to target anyone in a rover's shirt and anyone who gets between them and anyone in a rovers shirt.
I quoted the part of your post that I responded to. Why would I quote the whole post if I'm not responding to all of it?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
4th paragraph, first sentence. You've said (indirectly) that Rovers fans got what was coming to them in relation to this incident. Didn't seem to bother you that innocent people got injured. No point in saying you don't condone innocent people getting hurt but condoning the Rovers fans getting injured when innocent people were hurt to injure them.Quote:
To answer your post in full - of course i get the point of this and it is sickening. Of course no innocent bystanders should be subjected to this. Where have i suggested otherwise?
Well it's not hypothetical because it's happening all the time.Quote:
The second part of your post is hypothetical and pointless.
Pointless? Only if you don't have a problem with ongoing violence surrounding football in this league.
20 on 1 accepting the challenge? Bricking buses accepting the challenge?:rolleyes:Quote:
then crying when these absolute scumbags accept the Rovers challenge. Its a bit cheeky to say the least.
Do you actually think that hasn't been done?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
ok, ill address the points you made on my post even though you persist in misrepresenting my entire post and its sentiments. You should try reading it in full.Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
1) you quoted the first sentence of a point i made which taken out of context like that is misleading. It illustrates a point. That the actions of Rovers fans and hooligans in the past in taunting Bohs fans for running away has played a part in how extreme this rivalry has become. I dont think its an unfair point to raise. It takes two to tango. Your selecting only part of that paragraph grossly misrepresents the point i made.
2) read the entire post and my other posts in this thread and see if you want to accuse me again of not caring about innocent people getting hurt. For example the post directly below my original. In each post i have tried to get across my disgust at the events. Its not right that you try and imply otherwise. Your last sentence in that point makes no sense to me but ive probably addressed it above. To be clear i totally detest the actions of the people who attacked that poor kid, there is no justification (there is context however). I similarly detest the past actions of Rovers fans and hooligans inside and outside grounds to which i have been subjected.
3) the point you made was hypothetical as it didnt happen last night. Are you the one missing the point? I still answered the questions you asked. The answer makes my feelings clear even though you again want to accuse me (indirectly of course) about not caring about violence surrounding football in this league.
4) Yes. Unfortunately that is what it has come to. These are not right minded individuals we are talking about and something like this has been on the cards for some time.
5) I dont know. Has it? All ive read about is people asking Bohs and Bohs fans to comment and what are we going to do about it.
Ill ask you again Dman - what are your suggestions to rid my club of this element seeing as you care so much? Or are you just preaching for the sake of it? Maybe another :rolleyes: will help.
half_full, i hope that your post is not directed at me. Im far from attention seeking and i restrict my posts in this forum to matters i feel strongly about.
Also, if you read the posts from Bohs fans youll know that people caught organising or participating in trouble have been BANNED by the club. Why dont you stop bleating and send these bebo links of yours to the police?
Latest on our mb is that one of the lads hit with a brick may unfortunately lose sight in an eye unless surgery is done asap. I'm really not looking forward to Aug 7th now as I think we all know what's gonna happenQuote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
I've just returned to Dublin with my family after a very long time living in England and I'm very saddened at the football violence that seems to be common among certain clubs.
It seems to me that these gob****es (whoever they support) are trying to copy their English counterparts. Unfortunately, while the normal supporter with a family might stop going to certain games, there will be a ****load of young thugs who will jump on the bandwagon trying to imitate Danny Dyer, so that attendances might not be affected, but may rise. I saw this firsthand in England back in the late 70s and 80s. Obviously, it will be on a much smaller scale to England.
The sad thing is that the standard of the league is improving and might actually begin to attract more people. My two sons born and bred in England have grown up on live football and have said that they want to go to Eircom games. Unfortunately, many irish people don't come from that kind of weekly ritual of going to games and many normal people aren't going to be likely to bring a young family to a game if you've got gob****es running amok.
it's up to ALL Eircom fans to stand together and work on trying to eliminate this problem, rather than the usual tit-for-tat nonsense about so and so being worse than us.
and also, you knew someone involved so you want the thread to remain open. admit it. this thread is utterly pointless and (i havent read the rest) will more than likely end up descending into another "x did this, y did that" "every club has its element" thread. groundhog day. my sympathies for anyone hurt, but i fail to see the point in posting it here, or in getting uninvolved bohs fans to comment. go to the police, im bloody sick of here about dubs unable to control themselves. I was given a warning here last time for telling someone throwing a rock/whatever it was at the bus would be idiotic!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
this thread is pointless and i'm sure you'd say the same thing, if it wasnt for the personal interest.
Pablo said they shouldnt be traveling with you as there could be trouble - as there has been repeatedly in the past. And nothing happened? 2-8 (depending on who you ask) "opposition" fans were arrested before the Cork-Hammarby game. In the away leg, our keeper got belted with all manner of coins. The worst injury, however was that inflicted by your fans cheering on another team against us in Europe. That disgusts me, and any little respect I had for Rovers fans is gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by swano
Why dont the Gardai dress as Rovers fans get on the bus and when its attacked have back up close by and arrest the criminals who are attacking the public transport vehicle.This has nothing to do with football.These are criminals who need to be arrested and jailed.
Or is this all toomuch bother for our police force??
That's all we need - that clown discussing something he hasn't a clue about to the muppets that ring up that show.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theskinloyal
*sigh* He wasn't involved, he was a witness. Unlike the last rubbish where one side said something and the other refuted it, then the first side said they could prove it but didn't, we know this happened and nobody has denied it happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
I've no interest at all in the thread (except to keep things in check) but if its so pointless stop reading it and stop ****ing posting in it. :mad::rolleyes:
I got a phone call from my girlfriend to say she didn't want me going to matches anymore because she was listening to the fools on Adrian Kennedy (she was half serious too). I wonder how many other girlfriends, wives and mothers thought the same? Disastrous publicity for the league. I only caught the last 20 mins or so of the debate and in fairness the Rovers fan was fairly reasonable, but, the idiot who called himself a Bohs fan should never be allowed at a game again if anyone knows him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theskinloyal
In fairness to Adrian Kennedy (don't think I've ever said that before) he said he didn't like debating negatives about Irish soccer and pointed out the good work done by the clubs and the league. He also raised the point that it was a lot to do with policing and that the incidents were happening away from matches and from football grounds.
All wind up aside. Now that is appalling. Nobody deserves to have that happen for attending a football match.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoopy
I hope the lad is ok.
Should the more senior supporters amongst Rovers and Bohs not take on some responsability here and sit down like adults and call an end to this?
I couldn't go out with a girl who listened to him in the first place. And I'm not half jokingQuote:
Originally Posted by passinginterest
If you believed everything on that show you'd never leave the house again
Unfortunately the only way this will ever be put to an end is one of the clubs going bust or rovers/bohs fans having some balls and getting the police involved, enough of this "they arent real fans", "its inevitable" and "every club has them" rubbish that is usually spouted by the "ordinary, decent" fans. The people who did this should be doing time for it and they probably wouldnt have had the opportunity if they were punished for past offences. There aren't exactly thousands of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pablo
Jesus this seems to be getting worse every week, and all we ever get is the usual hand wringing by all involved. Surely Bohs and Rovers officials could come together with the Gardai for tackling this sort of garbage? Not sure what the solution would be, possibly plain clothes policemen in grounds, and traveling away from the grounds with fans, coupled with a decent number of uniformed police in and around the ground, but something needs to be done.
I've never been a fan of this 'it happened away from our ground so it's not our fault' mentality, it's your fans, it's your problem. Clubs could start by looking on Bebo for proposed meet-ups and then pass the information on to the Gardai, they could also easily find out and issue a lifetime ban to anyone mouthing off about throwing rocks at buses, or battering other clubs supporters. Might seem harsh, as I'm sure there are some teenagers just mouth off on that site and wouldn't actually do anything, but tough times, tough measures and all that.
Maybe the FAI should be contacting their British counterparts to get advice on how to tackle this rising problem (this season alone I've noticed incident reports increasing a lot)
Its not the feckin Sopranos Pablo....Quote:
Originally Posted by Pablo
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Originally Posted by Bungle
Good post. At the end of the day it's just aping what they have seen in england. Talking about "firms", wearing burberry etc has got nothing to do with supporting your team. And they all look like clones of each other. Pathetic.
The Dorset st scum have been active for a lot longer than this season. I remember back circa 1991 seeing about 5 Hoops getting chased by about 40 scum. Thankfully tolka back then was an away venue.
Bohs have definitely not done enough on this. They continuously have allowed that hooligan flag to be hung at every home game knowing full well that the guy hanging it, as well as his friends, are known troublemakers.
For the bohs and cork fans coming on here condoning this is sad. Is there a part of "innocent non football fans are getting hurt" that you dont understand?
KOH
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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
No but a blind eye is being turned. I for one am sick of attending games in Dublin where there is incidents be they minor or major. Something has to be done. All Rovers and Bohs care about is blaming each other. Tit for tat. And sadly, very literally, it looks like eye for an eye.
This is awful. Hope the young fella is okay.
Those with the 'you reap what you sow' attitude may change their mind if any of their loved ones are ever injured or caught up in any trouble while travelling on a bus.
Jeez but there would some whinging if Rovers had of been playing Cork and there were Cork fans on that 16 bus. What happens if Cork, Derry, Galway etc are playing Rovers in Dublin, will the fans of these clubs use public transport after the game or for that matter get the 16 bus? I know I wouldn't.
The Jewish remarks says it all........idiot.
It's not just down to scum stoning buses that I blame for this crap, it is the type of eircom League fan that has the devil may care attitude towards it and this thread is full of them.
To the sensible posters saying that the clubs should go to the police, it's been done. I posted earlier saying that they were told that the incident the other night was on the cards. They turned up in the wrong place. It's like talking to the wall with most of the gardai cos they don't want to know. Dealing with the problem means getting their hands dirty and they don't seem interested in doing this.
We can all agree on that much at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by swano
Should fans of clubs playing Shamrock Rovers take it as given that the 16/16A route is a no no?Quote:
Originally Posted by swano
The problem is that it could just about be any bus that they see colours, just more likely to be the 16/16a. I don't get them anyway.
Yes, any bus that turns into Dorset Street is a target. The one the other night had some pensioners on it. I heard they were on their way to bingo in Whitehall. Although they weren't targeted, they were obviously terrified. To be honest, if you have to get the bus to Tolka via Dorset Street, don't wear your team colours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
It's handy to know. I seriously wasn't aware of this danger until a few weeks ago. Has there been any other incidents besides Monday and the storming of that 16 in one of the previous derby games?
That wasn't the incident I witnessed so cant comment on that. did see 4 bohs fans attacked w/o provocation by 15/20 rovers fans as soon as they stepped off the bus at mcgowans pubQuote:
Originally Posted by swano
Scum the lot of them, Any fans that start violence and target either a rival team or have a go at random innnocent people are scum but I am not sure what all our posts are going to do here. Clearly the this is a gardai issue as there is not much Bohs can do about it on a Monday evening on Dorset St.
The most sensible thing anyone has said on here so farQuote:
Originally Posted by shelbourne1904
certainly wasnt aimed at you, more at gavinzac and the like:)Quote:
half_full, i hope that your post is not directed at me. Im far from attention seeking and i restrict my posts in this forum to matters i feel strongly about.
as for the bebo links its harldy my problem or my duty to do so:confused:
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Originally Posted by half_full
who condoned it? sometimes i think your username refers to your head :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by half_full
:rolleyes:
great reply, learn to quote maybe;)
The 'Attacked Rovers fans in hospital' thread on our mb has an interesting photo posted
i've quoted both relevant posts :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by half_full
look you know what you said, seriousley i dont care:p
sorry man! was just actin like a b1tch cos i assumed that you were joining the queue to have a go at me!!Quote:
Originally Posted by half_full
no worries suppose i could have made things a bit clearer!:)
I dont particularly think that it is any clubs fault for all of this "Greenstreet" nonsense. Afterall its not their faults that this type of scum have decided to follow whichever club. However, I think more could be done to ban these scumbags from matchs and information passed onto the Gardai.
But how useless are the Gardai? If they cannot catch a bunch of teenagers causing havoc among football grounds (and there surroundings), how would they cope if big trouble were to break out?? I mean it is not rocket science, all it takes is 20 minutes on bebo to find these hooligans. Iv done it before myself.
I think what some people have said on here is true, that in the more and more violence that occurs more and more scum will want to take the law into their own hands. And I predict eventually, many LOI grounds will not be safe places to go, unless something serious is done about it ASAP.
People should stop all of this "its your fault" "no its your fault" bulls**t, it isnt any imparticular clubs fault. This will not be easy to stop, but the sooner its done, the easier it will be. It will take a big effort by supporters, clubs and the gardai to put all of this to an end.
I think it is very important it has been posted here as it has made many of us aware of a very real danger of getting on a bloody bus when just going to the footy. If I was in town, going to Tolka, I'd get that bus myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
This whole thread serves to illustrate the severe hypocritical views that many posters have when it comes to Rovers. They are having innocent fans attacked going to and from their games on a regular basis. Is that not enough for some people?
Am I the only one here who thinks all this hand-wringing on a message board is gonna achieve precisely nothing? As is waiting for the boys in blue to do what they're paid to do.
That leaves two options:
1. Keep wishing it'll go away
2. DIY
On the basis that "they haven't gone away you know", the obvious solution would be for Rovers' "element" to come out of retirement to sort it out. I'm guessing they've probably already considered it, but that'd inevitably lead to a return to traditional Rovers v Bohs shennanigans which I presume no-one wants.
One way out might be for some non-Bebo Bohs to make the point extremely forcefully to these scumbags that they don't appreciate their name and that of their club being dragged through the mud.
All completely morally reprehensible I know and vigilantism is far from an ideal solution, though I always kinda had a soft spot for Red Action which I know was shared by some (possibly ex-) Bohs fans, but judging from all the comments made by Rovers and other fans, it looks like you can have either the moral high ground or safe passage down Dorset St.
far from ideal but perfectly acceptable now if you ask me. Though it is pretty easy for me to say that from here. I would love it if these w@nkers got a dose of their own medicine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr.Nightdub
Many buses go through Fairview, get one of them and walk up the Richmond Road ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student