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Setanta should re-structure the prize-money etc, with points/wins/away wins whatever counting for more than just the pot at the end for winning it. Also payments for paticipating could be increased with penalties imposed for not fielding a full team.
Nothing really against Derry/Nutsy but it's good to see defensive tactics get their just desserts over the last two televised games. Well done L...no I just can't say it.
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Originally Posted by micls
- Greater goal difference.
- Most goals scored.
- Most away goals scored.
- Most points gained in matches between the clubs level on points.
- Greater goal difference in matches between the clubs level on points.
- Most goals scored in matches between the clubs level on points.
- Most away goals scored in matches between the clubs level on points.
- Best fair play record (1 point for each yellow card and 3 points for each red card received by players).
- Draw of lots.
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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Steve,
Barry Town won several ties in Europe during their reign of terror/brilliance (delete as applicable according to club loyalties). Highlights included drawing 3-3 with Aberdeen and beating Porto 3-1 both at Jenner Park. They were a very good side in their day.
Rhyl, Carmarthen, Llanelli all have won ties in the last few years. TNS probably would have by now with all the money pumped into them if they hadn't had to play Liverpool and Man City in that time.
Now I don't support those clubs as most of them are financially backed (paticularly Barry) but still credit where credit's due.
It's all well and good you and your mates saying the Eircom League is light years ahead of it but I don't recall that being the case on either of the occasions when our sides met your sides in Europe.
I think you're being very dismissive about the Longford-Carmarthen result. It happened and you can't ignore it and dismiss it like that. I honestly don't know how anyone can fluke a 5-1 win. 1-0, 2-0 or even 3-0 maybe, but not a 5-1 win.
Even supposing you're right and that was just a sheer flukey result. There was another meeting a few years back where Cork played Cwmbran. They only won on away goals, and that was in the inaugural season of the Welsh Premier. Standards have improved enormously since then.
Incidentally, what matches have you seen Steve? I saw the FAI final last year and I was impressed, but no way would I say it's miles ahead of what the top teams here are capable of. The bottom few teams are maybe different as we've got an 18 team league so top talent always tends to turn up at the top few clubs.
Ditto Rogue Trader-what teams do you watch as the teams in the Cardiff area are not the best.
Well we have more than the league to play for and after the weekend I will be able to weigh up our chances better.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
What you forgot to mention was the first leg score:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cymro
FC Porto 8-0 Barry Town
"Porto made wholesale changes for the second leg tie, with captain Jorge Costa the only survivor from the first leg and prime tormentors Deco and Pena not making the trip to Wales."
Weakened Porto side there 8-0 up on agg - a major factor in that win for Barry
Dungannon are in the cup semis so have a fair chance of getting in that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
What defensive tactics?Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyT
5 in midfield at home to Pats.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
That was a disgrace. The fans let him know that too. I don't think we will ever see that again at the Brandywell in a league or cup match again. We were outstanding I thought for periods on Monday. I hope Tidman can now help the defence on Friday with a solid defensive goalkeeping display. Onwards and upwards..Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Agree that was a disgrace, but whats that got to do with Monday's match against Linfield was my point :confused: We played 4-4-2 and were anything but defensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I don't think Fenlon's teams have ever been defensive, they're just constrained by a rigid structure which doesn't afford them much atttacking latitude. He's become unshakably devoted to a style of play which is only half-evolved.
A bit like himself then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
Apologies Pat, I'm fully behind you :D
I'd assume the next team in the league would take part in the play-off in that case.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Or Pats, if we haven't already qualified.
Good luck to ye then:ball:Quote:
Originally Posted by SwiftsSupporter
Have to say, I've enjoyed watching Swifts in the Setanta the last couple of seasons - i hope you can qualify again, and then aim to go further next time.
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Originally Posted by Dodge
It's like Jimmy White in the Masters Snooker - as soon as he wasn't good enough to qualify they brought in a wild-card play-off so he'd have at least one game in front of the Wembley crowd.
Same deal with the Setanta - the tournament isn't secure enough to survive without the involvement of its greatest entertainers...
Hadn't thought of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
If the league cup winners have already qualified the play off should definitely be scrapped. Who would go to see it?
Makes it much more likely that the First division winners will play in the Setanta.
God knows how the Setanta cup limped throuhgh the last 2 years without St Pat's in it....!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint
And thank God Shelbourne collapsed to get you in there this year ! I fear that it would all have collapsed without your massive crowds, and huge TV-drawing reputation...... :o
POTM.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Touché. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Réiteoir
The side still had Ricardo Carvalho in it though!
Just back-tracked a bit in this thread...
Will the winner of Eircom Division One play the winners of the Eircom League Cup for a Setanta spot? :o
Yes, they're hoping to get a team in there that Portadown could beat.:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Graemerz
If we qualify and hopefully we do, and draw Linfield I can guarantee their will be trouble at both games. you think were going to go to Windsor and not get trouble and same the other way.Quote:
Originally Posted by holidaysong
It wont be supporters of both teams, it will be the thugs in both areas who will see it as a chance to fight, throw stones etc... same as it was outside Tolka on Friday night
There is never that much trouble at Windsor...Quote:
Originally Posted by mickdlk
No way would our First Division Champions beat the CIS winners (Glentoran). Our First Division Champions would struggle to beat the relegated Premier side, never mind Glentoran. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Krstic
Derry City have managed to go to Windsor twice and Linfield come to the Brandywell twice without any trouble inside the ground and likewise they have travelled to Tolka and Drogheda a few times.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickdlk
Some of the songs they sing in Windsor are fairly disagreeable but in terms of security its the best ground North or South bar none. They've had plenty of practice perfecting it!
And um... Longford, we went there.... That was a crazy camel-ride journey into the unknown. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
I understand that to be honest.
Its not such an issue for Derry fans to see a unionist.
CCFC fans themselves have had great experiences at all times with all opposing fans (bar one night at United Park) and all would love to see Linfield at the Cross.
However, I fear every stupid bigotted 14 year old Wolfe Tones fan in the City would turn up and along with a few 30yo alco sell-thick fans, there could be hassle.
Wasn't there minor incidents at Shels v Linfield?
I never witnessed any but heard there was a few...Quote:
Originally Posted by Risteard
Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by CuanaD
The Setanta Sports Cup is great - if the IL clubs are rubbish that's their problem and not the fault of the comp.
To suggest the competition should be pulled on these ground makes little sense to me. Did LOI club ask for the UEFA Cup be canceled because our teams got hammered in the past.
Did the GAA demand that the International Rules Series be canceled just because the bogballer's were not quite the incredible athletes and "top sportsmen" the Lucocade ads claims they are...oh wait, that's just what happened. Sorry, scrap that last example.
'Welcome to Dundalk - Twinned with 1972......'Quote:
Originally Posted by mickdlk
Who's suggested the Setanta Sports Cup should be pulled......?? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Boh_So_Good
Slightly off topic but some of the Setanta guys are smart cookies. They showed the Poland games live on Saturday & last night. Despite a disasterous world cup, the Poles are top of their Euro2008 group and with 100k citizens in the Republic alone, Setanta had done their homework.
Back on topic, as posted before, I hope they continue to support the "domestic" game. They've got Drogs v Derry live tomorrow night. Let them know if you're watching it.
Yeah thats why the Linfield fans had to take a 1 hour detour as they couldnt drive through parts of Derry :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Looks like Derry may be twinned with the 70s too!
Are they mad, in a coma, or back in time? Whatever's happened, it's like they've landed on a different planet. Now, maybe if Maxi can work out the reason, they can get home...Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Noting to do with Derry fans though. The guy saying there would be trouble between Linfield and Dundalk is way off the mark.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
thats funny ! how come there is a huge thread over on irishleauge forums about cork being hostile towards portadown supporters .We just had glentoran and linfield in our local before the games .No trouble whatsoever .Fantastic time had by all .For proof go over to there forums .The only trouble weve had in there in recent times was cork city fans singing really offensive songs looking for trouble .Quote:
Originally Posted by Risteard
I know it had nothing to do with Derry fans but still sad state of affairs when its not safe to drive through some parts of a city. I was just responing to dcfcsteve's comment that dundalk was stuck in the 70s and was demonstrating that his City has huge problems still. I also believe that if trouble where to happen between Dundalk and Linfield it would have nothing to do with fans on other side and would be more likely to happen in Dundalk rather then Belfast. Linfield are used to hosting matches with the potential for trouble and the PSNI are used to dealing with potential flash points. Dundalk Fc are not and the local Gardai are crap. Also a chance local scumbags, Celtic supporters clubs, could turn up just to cause trouble
Fair point. As others can confirm, if you come to Windsor there is no need to go into a residential area so would be no problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam