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keane does this every time he’s over in support of the blind dogs charity. just saying controversial stuff so it makes the headlines and gets publicity for the charity he supports. when over in previous years for the charity he’s had pops at mccarthy, hinted he’d come out of retirement etc just to make the papers. doubt he really believes that cork thing either
It strikes me that the team have to be continually cajoled into a performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Cyprus was an appalling performance - then a reaction against the Czechs - a few months later another terrible performance against San Marino.
Not exactly giving the impression of a team with an ongoing sense of responsibility, of standards or a team that motivates itself.
Point taken - its Stan's job to motivate the players. I hope he carries on in his heretofore successful attempts to do so.
Keane's peers can choose to acknowledge what he says or dismiss the comments. They can also choose to respond to the unwanted comments by turning the negatives into a committed performance.
Regardless of WHY he said the big players are under performing for Ireland, there's no doubt there's a large amount of truth in it.
John O'Shea has always been shocking for ireland and seems to be indifferent to playing for his country.
Steve Finnan is putting in excellent performances for Liverpool but looks very nervy and uncomfortable with Ireland.
Robbie Keane - well, enoughs been said bout his recent performances already. Itd be brilliant to see him reproduce the hunger and menace he had before and during WC 02.
Duffers has also been inconsistent with Ireland (but not as much as the above). He has produced his spark in the 2nd half against the Czechs and now and again in other games but not as regularly as he used to.
Shay has been unbelievable for Ireland for the past 4 or 5 years and i dnt think Keane would have meant him when talking about the big players
Not Keanes jobQuote:
It strikes me that the team have to be continually cajoled into a performance.
Agreed to an extent. Still nothing to do with Keane thoughQuote:
Cyprus was an appalling performance - then a reaction against the Czechs - a few months later another terrible performance against San Marino.
Again not Roystons problemQuote:
Not exactly giving the impression of a team with an ongoing sense of responsibility, of standards or a team that motivates itself.
It really is the lowest form of witQuote:
Point taken - its Stan's job to motivate the players. I hope he carries on in his heretofore successful attempts to do so.
Any pro with any bit of self respect wont take the slightest bit of notice IMOQuote:
Keane's peers can choose to acknowledge what he says or dismiss the comments. They can also choose to respond to the unwanted comments by turning the negatives into a committed performance.
Dominic Foley's from cork and he has 9 senior caps for Ireland. If that's anything to go by then the FAI have a bias towards cork. All this s**t about cork lads not getting picked is getting a bit boring. If they really think that why don't they f**k off and form their own international team. I won't miss their bleating and to be honest i don't think anyone else will either. It's like all the s**t-talk about the peoples republic of cork. F**k off and do something about it if you want to be seperate and stop spouting s**t from your holes. The rest of us don't care. It just bothers us that we have to listen to it in those stupid accents.
Roy Keane is an Irish man and is just as entitled to comment on our national team players and management as we are.
He was asked questions and he answered them saying what a majority of fans agree with..(Bar that cork bias stuff :rolleyes: )
The timing is probably the worst thing here. Imagine if the situation was reversed. Say Sunderland fail to get automatic promotion and some ex-Sunderland player came out a couple of days before the playoffs and said that Roy is stupid, is picking the team all wrong and is biased against English players.
It's very quick that he's become such a wise expert (and compared to Staunton he is!) that he feels he has to throw out unsolicited advice. In my opinion, his argument is let down badly by two things:
- The Ride Cork Rock Solid, Pro-Dublin Agenda (led by Staunton - Louth; Robson - Durham; Delaney - South Tipp; MacDonald - Inverness; Kelly - Preston; Devlin - Tosser; etc.)
- The fact that he's going to war over David Connolly and Liam Miller :rolleyes: Honestly, of all players! It's a fair point to argue that they should be there but they've both had plenty of chances.
Indeed, when both Miller and Connolly were going through bad form they both benefited from the managers' "loyalty" in the past as part of a settled squad. It would be completely different if it was a Kevin Nolan for England scenario or similar (sorry for bringing his name up again :) ), where you have a guy who had never been called up and given a chance.
the irony of you defending someones right to make racist comments in another thread and then questioning a former Ireland captains right to comment on the Ireland team in another:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Basically he as an Irishman has every right to comment on what is a farce of a national team set up. at least he does it publicly and not anonomously on the internet like yourself eh?
He is doing so in the knowledge that he is undermining the role of Staunton just because Staunton didnt select some of his players , which is petty in the extreme.
Great post Bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
Should you want my name and phone number pm me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
"Anonomously on the internet" Possibly the most retarded stick anyone has ever tried to beat me with :rolleyes:
Can you people not see the difference between yourselves as Irishmen commenting on it and Keane as an Irishman commenting on it??
If you say something critical it generally doesn't end on the back pages. ;)
He's $hit stirring, adding further pressure to a job which he showed no interest in on the eve of a crunch qualifier
Just confirms my opinion of him as a base born, vindictive little $hit
It's all about the timing William, the timing ;)
Wow that's almost as insightful as your contributions in that completely irrelevant thread he mentioned :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Roy Keane's interview last night on NewsTalk: http://www.newstalk106.ie/podcasts/l...ccer/keane.mp3
There is no way Keane can be on about Shay, who has been Irelands best and most outstanding player for the last number of years...You are right the players always needed to be cajoled into getting motivated for games..It just shows you how far motivation can go after how that second string irish team preformed against the czechs..if we turn up, we should beat wales comfortably...we have nothing to fear from the slovaks either, they are hardly glittered with superstars..the czechs hammered them at home and their 5-2 victory over wales was more than flattering.
Not trying to be insightful just agreeing with his post which I am entitled to do. I am sure you will recover from me agreeing with Bill, Not sure Bill will though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
I'm in shock here. Fair dues to Bill.
its a fair point given the point you wer emaking imoQuote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
yes...as a former player he would have a far greater insight into the reality of the situation than us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
I have to laugh at this. How is this a crunch qualifier?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
And he is only stating the bleeding obvious. reminds me of that quote from the liverpool player about why souness got the sack...."it was the media that got him the sack.......as they kept printing the results..."
again hes entitled to his opinion which was bang on the money as far as Im concerned(apart from the Cork thing which was pure balls but again so f*ckin what?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Everything he said apart from the cork thing was 100% right!! Stan has to pick the right team not players who are living off the back off a good world cup 5 years ago..
Well IMO it was a pretty funkin stupid point. We'll have to agree to differ on that oneQuote:
its a fair point given the point you wer emaking imo
For Staunton. If he loses could be in a spot of bother. Hope that clears things upQuote:
I have to laugh at this. How is this a crunch qualifier?
It shows that the Cork thing is rubbish as he cannot answer it when asked by the guy from Newstalk even though he is asked twice. Is answer to that is very very weak compared to his other answers. I think the thing about the Guide dogs is true. Its like he goes up on stage does his 30 mins of spouting off from the hip and 90% of its right. Then the next day the papers are full of it with pictures of Guidedogs. When he is interviewed by the guy from Newstalk he seems less vindictive as he is off stage. Thats the impression I got listening to the podcast.
Saying that I reckon this might get the players back up and he may have done Staunton a favour to be honest. People spout on about players getting paid loads and they should be already motivated, this should be the case and it often is not and little petty things like this can make the difference. I am not saying Keane should take credit for this but I reckon Robbie Keane and O Shea and Duff will be pretty ****ed off when reading Keanes comments.
Plenty of good top managers have their zany conspiracy theories even their wierd superstitions. Roy still hangs on to his opinion to the end but it's clear he talks more sense than nonsense.
Agreed. It's water under the bridge - like not getting picked for an U-16 international at the Carlisle Grounds 20 years ago. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by lionelhutz
Hes an ideas man......I think he proved that with "**** Mountain"....Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint
i think there is merit to the comment that the FAI has a pro-Dublin slant, at underage anyway. i don't think Keane is right with his comments of an anti-cork (did he say this or is this just how it was interperated?) bias but there is definately, in my experience, a pro-dublin slant at underage. not at senior level though. connolly was born outside london AFAIK and his people are from co. Galway.
Are we not all over complicating this?He has a major axe to grind.Hes not stupid, he knows it going to make the headlines.Hes enjoying turning the heat up before a couple of important qualifiers.Its being well documented that he has been manipulative with media in past battles, as is his right.But as somebody mentioned before though its the timing.If you like RK fair enough
but why do people feel the need to defend him when hes acting with such little integrity.
Firstly is anyone really saying that it is a disgrace that Liam Miller and David Connolly were nto picked. At best they are as good as what we have but they both have shown an inability to perform at a high level. It's not like Stan left out Shay Given or Robbie Keane.Quote:
Originally Posted by macdermesser
Secondly, is Roy just trying to p*ss everyone off. Is he really saying Shay is not setting the world alight? What does "Also Steve Finnan at Liverpool" mean. It's nto even a sentence. Is it "Aslo Steve Finnan at Liverpool is playing badly" or " .. is my dream date". Roy it would be easier to take your promotion of Connolly if you dint rant at our good players
Oh yeah, yeah, the guy in the $3,000 suit has to worry about upsetting the clown who picks the Ireland team. COME ON!:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
Anyway we are really missing the whole point. The best comment was about dinner on Friday night. Keane was asked was he going and he said no as it was not his sort of thing but that it should be a good night.
Asked was his chairman going?
"bloody hell yes, he is probably organising it"
Niall is a busy man as he also does the phones for the FAI.
How does mouthing of about an anti-Cork sentiment in the FAI (come on, you have to admit thats nonsense) and moaning about players not being included gain publicity for the guide dogs for the blind? I'd say the charity got one line in the whole piece. How many complete articles in the media were written about the charity v Keane's whinge?Quote:
Originally Posted by citizenerased
The comment about his wife was below the belt, hands up there!
Im not a dub, citizenerased, I am from Liverpool originally and have lived in Kildare and Cork in my time in Ireland (16 years).
keane is a media whore -
Niall is a clever man, very clever, he got the appointment and pretty much everything spot on at Sunderland this season. Sacking himself was top of that list he admits.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
[QUOTE=reder;649971]How does mouthing of about an anti-Cork sentiment in the FAI (come on, you have to admit thats nonsense) and moaning about players not being included gain publicity for the guide dogs for the blind? I'd say the charity got one line in the whole piece. How many complete articles in the media were written about the charity v Keane's whinge?
The comment about his wife was below the belt, hands up there!
QUOTE]
In fairness, because of the rant there was pictures with keane all over the paper with a guidedog! Hardly doing the organisation any harm!!
Keane has always used the media for his own benefit. He knows he's more intelligent than the majority of hacks and can manipulate them whatever way he wants. He used this as an opportunity to show his loyalty to his own players aswel as gaining publicity for the charity.
I don't think any of the players should let his comments affect them any more than the slating they got after the cyprus and san marino away games
from what i read at lunch (granted it was only the red tops :eek: ) his comments weren't too wide of the mark.Quote:
Originally Posted by lionelhutz
questioning the below par performances of our so-called star players: duffer, keane, o'shea.
questioning the overall attitude - of the FAI in particular - with regards accepting mediocrity,
questioning the wisdom of declaring 'we are building for 3 / 4 years time' and the obvious effect this has on the current qualification campaign,
comparing the lack of ambition of the FAI to that off the IRFU and even the Cricket Board :eek:
questioning the false idea that the fans just want to have the cráic and don't care about results.
i reckon his comments echo the views of many people on this forum and aren't as damning as people think.
PS - i am not one of the 'Everything Roy Keane says or does is right' brigade and felt he was wrong in Saipan. Just so people don't thing i am part of the RK PA machine!!!!
Ring the FAi you will get a laugh with the guy who does the voice mail.Quote:
Originally Posted by reder
I agree with what he said totally aswel. I meant that if the players need a tsunami of criticism to get them to perform at their peak, then there's no hope for Ireland in the long termQuote:
Originally Posted by galwayhoop
Good response from Staunton.
Staunton deflects Keane criticism
Paul O'Hehir
Thursday, March 22, 2007
Steve Staunton refused to be drawn into a war of words with Roy Keane after the Sunderland manager indirectly criticised a number of senior Republic of Ireland players yesterday.
Keane suggested some members of the current squad are living off their reputations and not producing quality performances in the games that count.
Amongst other things, he said there was a "fine line between loyalty and stupidity" and that some were selected on "reputations they have built through the media or because they do a lot of interviews".
But Staunton refused to criticise his former team-mate when questioned by journalists after team-training in Malahide this morning.
"Roy has got his own opinions and they are his opinions. I'm here to deal with Ireland," he said.
"Roy has done a wonderful job at Sunderland, that's his job but I've got mine to do here. I'll pick my team and that's the end of it. It's not about Roy Keane now. It's about Ireland playing a European qualifier on Saturday."
Ahead of the Wales game at Croke Park, Staunton is in the unusual position of having a full complement of players to select from.
Paul McShane and Stephen Ireland were carrying ankle knocks when they arrived at the team base earlier in the week but both trained today. Still, medical staff will closely monitor their progress.
"McShane and Ireland both trained and there has been no reaction as yet," said Staunton. "We'll wait and see what happens later on but hopefully there is nothing to report.
"For a change we've a clean bill of health. We'll assess the two lads again tomorrow then we'll know better.
"Hopefully nobody goes down with any injury or illness between now and Saturday," he added. "We're taking nothing for granted but hopefully all is well."
Staunton, who concedes a draw will be of no use to his team in light of their group position, said he has selected his starting team but will not reveal its components until closer to match-time.
Keane was right.
You obviously don't know how the media works. To get a charity (or any product or event for that matter) promoted in the media you always have to have an angle. Pick up any of today's papers and have a look at the amount of models/bimbos that are used for photo shoots in the middle of Grafton St. or on The Ha'Penny Bridge, etc. promoting anything from Daffodil Day to Cancer Awareness, etc. It's always the model that gets into the paper and as a result the cause is given some media attention. With Keane it's his comments that are his angle.Quote:
Originally Posted by reder
An awful lot of famous people do charity work but could you name many people and their associated charities? However, everybody knows what charity Keane is associated with.
As for Keane comments, I agree with everything he's said about the setup in the FAI, it'd be hard not to, but saying that Miller is not getting picked because he's from Cork? That's just nonsense.
It'll be interesting to see what Keane's attitude will be towards his squad players getting picked for internationals further into his managerial career especially when he has to deal with things like fixture congestion and injuries.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the reason for his latest rant is a little bit of ego massaging for Miller. I think he's trying to instill a little bit of victim complex to give him that bit of extra fight and "I'll show them them" attitude.
Great post totally agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by BaZmO*