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Originally Posted by Magicme
ok maybe "block" is a strong word, but lets say some arent as receptive to the idea as others coz the GAA wont be getting the same support from the council. Did the GAA approach the council for a development officer..........eh no....so what the feck is the whingin about!
BIGOTED is an entirely correct description of what Thomas Davis are trying on in Tallaght.Quote:
Originally Posted by Erstwhile Bóz
It's a word... it's in the dictionary... and it's 100 per cent spot on.
You might prefer a more harmless description such as "not very nice" or whatever - but that wouldn't be accurate.
Are there any other standard words you would like to outlaw while you're at it?
Okay here's the deal; Would all gaa sympathisers please use your browsers "find and replace" word tool to replace every harsh "BIGOTED" word with either "a bit mean" or "not very nice"Quote:
Originally Posted by khoop
That should sensor yourself against everything so....
We demean ourselves by demeaning others - it's as simple as that - and the funny thing is it's totally unnecessary - no need for an inferiority complex
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Originally Posted by Buller
I'm a GAA supporter. There is a certain amount of hypocrisy in soccer supporters not seeing merit in the argument that the Tallaght Stadium is being financed with public money and so should be open to the GAA etc. when the same argument was presented by soccer fans in arguments as to why Croke Park should be opened up to soccer.
However, Thomas Davis need to back off in this case, they have a perfectly good ground in Kiltipper and are only causing bad blood and divisions. There is enough money in the big GAA clubs in Tallaght and in the GAA to fund a GAA stadium in Tallaght if needs be, but it is probably not needed.
I see no problem with Rovers agreeing to let "big" senior games being played in the stadium when vacant, assuming Davis etc. pay the rental for the stadium, if they are big enough to need a stadium, they should get enough money on the gates to cover the rental.
Rovers need Tallaght Stadium and Tallaght need Rovers, this stadium will be great for Tallaght, Rovers and for Eircom League. Get on with it.
You've completely missed the point of this. To extend the pitch to GAA size, the current stand would have to be demolished and the final capacity slashed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scram
Public money is spent on many projects - without a guarantee that everybody who wants to be included, can actually be included. Swings and roundabouts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scram
So Thomas Davis want the stadium open to everyone.
Okay then - let's have an athletics track.
Oh, sorry - not possible. A GAA pitch doesn't fit inside an athletics track.
Alright then - let's have a hockey pitch.
Oh dear, not possible. Way too small compared to the size of a GAA pitch. Would look farcical.
But surely a cricket pitch must be possible. With the World Cup and all that.
Damn. Not possible either. Wrong shape.
Hmmm.....
Maybe it isn't about "everyone" after all.
Maybe it's just about the GAA.
What a surprise.
Packie does great work for the kids and loves his GAA. He used be always in and out of the Department of the Gaeltacht meeting the Minister to discuss the Summer Camp Scheme as the FAI's representative — along with … drumroll … the GAA :eek: .Quote:
Originally Posted by Magicme
My point, in answer to HulaHoops who said that the existence of a minority of extremely anti-FAI people in the GAA was a part of the reason he felt entitled to call the organization "bigoted" despite recognizing the majority to be bang-on and all-sporty, was that there is a corresponding section within the FAI who despise and bitterly resent the GAA. I didn't really think that that was seriously up for debate.
It might sound like whataboutery, but I'm not excusing either and think both sets of haters, fans and officials alike, are pathetic. I wouldn't stand for any "GAA sympathizer" (love it :D) referring to the FAI as a "pack of bigots" either.
Erstwhile Bóz of course there is an element within the FAI that despise the GAA but IMO this is due to the fact that in the not so distant past many of them were treated like second class citizens by GAA people because they chose soccer over GAA.
The FAI have never taken a judicial review case to the High Court to prevent public money being spent on a GAA ground, neither have the IRFU or the national athletics body or any other sporting organisation. So why the GAA?
What do you believe Thomas Davis' motivation is in taking this case? It wouldn't be because their head man David Kennedy is bigoted against soccer would it?
Croke Park didn't need a stand demolished and its capacity more than halfed to accomodate "soccer" now did it?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Scram
I'm not being hypocritical, I've been following this scandel for many years now.
Their motives are to delay the stadium as much as possible, in the hope that shamrock rovers will go bust, because they are clearly scared of quote: "tallaght being restricted to a diet of association football"
I don't think that the committee that recommended the expansion of the municipal stadium to accommodate GAA were acting out of "bigotry" towards soccer and I don't think that the council's vote to accept the recommendation was a "bigoted" one. I don't think the Minister's decision to stick by his guns was "bigotry" the other way either.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulaHoop
I think there's probably a lot of people in Thomas Davis and the other clubs out West who honestly think they were wronged over that. I think that the Minister's decision to stick by his original funding terms despite the new plans stung them, and importantly it all came at a really awkward time regarding the issue of access to other codes' grounds.
I think it just got out of hand, it has been turned into this stupid fecking Clash of Civilizations (by both sides), and the GAA are being saps about backing down because a) they still have an outside shot of getting in on this free municipal stadium in a brilliant location and b) they think there's similarities with the Croke Park deal.
As regards the FAI never having taken similar action, that's probably true. But I don't think a similar situation has ever applied to the FAI.
I hope they sort it soon, anyway, because that fecking stand depresses the life out of me.
How many times must I say this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Erstwhile Bóz
They know at this stage there is zero chance of them getting "this free municipal stadium in a brilliant location" because even if they succeed in obtaining a judicial review and overturn the county councel's decision, which would take years and years, funding would be withdrawn for the stadium as it would be too costly to demolish the existing stand to create a stadium half the intended capacity. *deep breath*
They are in it to delay and prevent the stadium from being built - Fact.
How about David Kennedy's statement that in a 'battle between the GAA and Shamrock Rovers' (his words), the GAA will be 'the last man standing' (again, his words)?
The GAA have a rule that bans the playing of what they insultingly call 'foreign' sports on their playing fields. I can't think of any other sporting body on the planet that operates in such an openly apartheid fashion.
Of course the GAA is not a bigoted organisation.:rolleyes:
And who gets massive amounts of government funded money to do soQuote:
Originally Posted by Billy Lord
And who denies ever getting this money from the government....Quote:
Originally Posted by hoopy
He sounds like a dick, never mind whatever context he was speaking in or whoever he was trying to rile or fire up. Those are certainly the words of a dick. He must be one of those anti-FAI people that everybody knows exist in the GAA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Lord
was to €114m for croke parke alone?Quote:
Originally Posted by BohDiddley
how much was the overall cost of building the ground? more than €114m i would think
did the GAA put forward other funds they earned themselves? yes
are the gov. making any funds available for landsdowne? yes
what percentage?
is it right that the gov./national lottery provides funds in relation to sporting developments? yes
should these sporting bodies put up some of the costs themselves to match what they get in grants/aid? yes
have people involved in soccer up till now proved themselves totally incompetitent in providing stadiums for the sport in this country? yes
are a lot of the people on this forum who liberally use the term bigot showing themselves to have this trait themselves? yes
who's fault is it that the tallaght stadium had to be bailed out by the local council in the first place????
have the people involved in soccer on this island shown themselves unable to raise funds to build staduims or even more importantly unable to lobby government officals to support their problems? yes
are the politicans also bigoted for supporting the GAA projects throughout the country?
is everyone in the country a bigot apart from those who support eL teams?
check out tom humphries article on it today - irish times
complete one sided nonsense
they scream self righteous indignation when labeled bigots yet when their propagandists and allies in the press come out with the like of his bile and blatant twisting of the tale to suit their own agenda they reveal themselves as the out dated sporting nazis they are.
for a further classic of this genre read the Ulster County board members "my two cents" piece in the Sunday Tribune a few weeks back before the ireland england rugby game -talk about stuck in the 1880's.
I really hope the judge throws their 'case' out but I fear that the old guard of this bannana republic will stick together on this one
Aye. I had to put on Mise Éire in the background when I was reading it. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by wws
He makes a weird little comment towards the end, though, about Lansdowne:
:confused: Anybody heard anything about that?Quote:
The whispers are, though, that when the planning people get back this week the news will be that the stadium's proposed capacity will be whittled and the IRFU, a little surprised perhaps at the sweetheart of a deal the FAI were handed in the redevelopment master plan, will opt to cash in their chips in D4 and build elsewhere on their own steam (with, one hopes, appropriate Lotto funding to help). The Irish Glass Bottle Company in Ringsend would be the perfect site.
And so Irish professional soccer, a commercial enterprise which retails a genuinely beautiful game, but is domestically incapable of running its own business, will be homeless again.
The incident referred to by Humphries happened on a fans flight from Vilnius not on an FAI flight from Belfast. It got picked up and misused on the old usenet forums. i assume that is where Humphries heard about it.
I have spoken with people on the flight from Befast that night and it didn't happen.
Bigotry does not equate to incompetence. There is overwhelming evidence that the GAA has a significant rump of bigots. This case is clearly about bigotry. Even a FF minister from Kerry in an election year can ncriticise the bigots on this one.
No one's saying that, but the inherent bigotry of the GAA is indeniable. Can you name any sporting body other than the GAA that has a constitutional ban on what they refer to as 'foreign' sports?Quote:
Originally Posted by galwayhoop
Besides, association football has been played in Ireland longer than GAA games, so what's 'foreign' about it?
Have you got ANY evidence for this? Hurling goes back 1000's of years for a start:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Lord
Humphries managed to further blot his "defender of all things Irish" copybook by including Sunderland recent success in his "great week for Irish sport" start to today's column.
Why should we expect objectivity from someone who is heavily involved in under-age hurling and gives a ridiculous amount of column inches to a mediocre hurling county (Dublin), supplemented by a sideways look at an obscure sport/every other week.
Keith Duggan has left Humphries trailing in his wake in terms of weekly column writing and he's stuck banging the same old drum and not even bothering to do research on what he writes. Eg no mention of the 20 acres already allocated in Rathcoole or the offer for junior GAA to be played on the Tallaght site.
At least Emmet Malone keeps an interest in the domestic game, Humphries is simply a poster boy for the event junkie-barstooler generation.
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The whispers are, though, that when the planning people get back this week the news will be that the stadium's proposed capacity will be whittled and the IRFU, a little surprised perhaps at the sweetheart of a deal the FAI were handed in the redevelopment master plan, will opt to cash in their chips in D4 and build elsewhere on their own steam (with, one hopes, appropriate Lotto funding to help). The Irish Glass Bottle Company in Ringsend would be the perfect site.
And so Irish professional soccer, a commercial enterprise which retails a genuinely beautiful game, but is domestically incapable of running its own business, will be homeless again "
Looks like the Rugger lot are getting ready to dump the FAI at the first chance if this is true.
Tom Humpries last paragraph sums this debate up for me, that shower the FAI have failed to achive anything substantial & blaming the GAA does nothing to change the fact!
Seems to me that the goverment as regards to the Eircom Park / Bertie Bowl has a lot to answer for as well :confused:
When was the GAA formed? After the Irish Football Association. Ergo: association football predates GAA games. That's a historical fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by wexfordclockend
I don't think there were any objections to the fully public funded Irishtown stadium being built. I wonder why? Maybe it's because there's an athletic track there and Crusaders AC are the tenants. Now they wouldn't be a threat to Clanna Gael CLG. After all, athletics is not a foreign sport and it's not a threat to the GAA.
So you can't have games without an Association - weird?
Maybe it's time to move on from this contrived argument about national and non-national games. As far as I'm concerned they're all 'beautiful' in their own way. People will play whatever they like and best of luck to them. Some of the OTT remarks on this thread are regrettable.
If they were trying to get government grants for a dog track in Tallaght, would this GAA club look to have it as a dog track / Gaa ground?
I highly doubt it.
All the GAA want here is to hamper Rover's getting a ground in Tallaght.
Just because the GAA was formed in 1884 doesn't mean the games couldn't have been played before that. The GAA was in fact formed with a view to reviving and formalising the traditional Irish games - hurling being the main one, which, as noted, has been played in Ireland for centuries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Lord
Same way as association football isn't just as old as the FA.
What's the next step for Rovers then? If they win tomorrow, is that the end of it? Or can there be further obstacles placed in their way? Or are they even going to win tomorrow?
Oh they'll find something, don't you worry. The GAA won't let something so trivial as the legal system get in the way of their quest for global domination.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Doubtful there will be a decision tomorrow. The judge will more than likely adjourn the case for 3-4 weeks to consider the arguments put to him and make a decision. If he rules against TD he also rules if TD can appeal or not.
Hurling has records of games going back to 1200BC in Irish legends. Various versions of football have been played all over the world before associations were formed . The Rugby clubs broke away from the English FA after a few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Australian Rules football is the oldest organised football code from the 1850's which has elements of older forms of Irish football amongst other influences.
I don't understand what your point is... :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by galwayhoop
GAA get 114m (probably worth more in todays money after inflation) for their stadium. Other monies raised themselves.
FAI get 90-95m for their stadium. Other monies raised themselves.
IRFU get 90-95m for their stadium. Other monies raised themselves.
Government will own a stake in Lansdowne Road for their investment.
And who contrived that situation? The GAA is the only sporting body in Ireland that has sporting apartheid as part of its constitution. Just because you ignore the reality that the GAA is a bigoted organisation doesn't prevent it from being a reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by new blue
Read Tom Humphries' vile prejudice in yesterday's Irish Times. Replace 'soccer' with 'black person', 'GAA' with 'white person' and he'd be done for racism.
The GAA is filled with wonderful people who give up their time to help their communities, while football is full of clueless crooks only out to make a buck.
He should be kicked out of the NUJ for writing such poisonous lies about people who are involved in football. He's a disgrace.
It's a strange attitude that a lot of people have to soccer - it's OK when it's over there. It's an English sport so there's no problem supporting English teams. :confused: Just don't let it get too big here.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
Don't like Duggan much either. The only LOI article I remember from him was a puff piece on Ollie Byrne before the house of cards collapsed - the typical "'Mr. Shelbourne', held back by jealousy from other clubs, everyone would love to have him working for them..." nonsense that kept Shels propped up for far too long.Quote:
Keith Duggan has left Humphries trailing in his wake in terms of weekly column writing and he's stuck banging the same old drum and not even bothering to do research on what he writes.
The Humphries piece illustrates perfectly the hegemony that GAA enjoys. It's also a good summation of the myopia of the GAA constituency, and the innate hostility that exists in this country toward football.
For 'commercial', used here as a dirty word in a newspaper that devotes much of its sports space to EPL, horse racing, golf, and rugby, read 'foreign'. Because the dogs in the street know that the GAA is run on a slick, commercial basis, albeit one that couldn't function without this type of support from state, church and media.
Odd that the Times would choose to run such a blatantly biased article, especially given that the matter is sub judice. Should Rovers lawyers raise it with the judge?
good question - I hope you are insinuating that the people stood in court today arguing for permission from GAA to complete stadium are responsible. Many people spent the guts of 5 years ousting the scumbag propertty developers from OUR club....Quote:
Originally Posted by galwayhoop
This from Appendix 4, the GAA Official Guide, 2003
At the founding of the Association the following letter
was received from the Most Rev. T. W. Croke,
Archbishop of Cashel and Emly: -
The Palace, Thurles,
December 18th, 1884
... One of the most painful, let me assure you, and at
the same time, one of the most frequently recurring,
reflections that, as an Irishman, I am compelled to
make in connection with the present aspect of things
in this country, is derived from the ugly and irritating
fact, that we are daily importing from England, not
only her manufactured goods, which we cannot help
doing, since she has practically strangled our own
manufacturing appliances, but, together with her
fashions, her accents, her vicious literature, her music,
her dances and her manifold mannerisms, her games
also, and her pastimes, to the utter discredit of our
own grand national sports, and to the sore
humiliation, as I believe, of every genuine son and
daughter of the old land.
Ball-playing, hurling, football-kicking according to
Irish rules, ‘casting,’ leaping in various ways, wrestling,
handy-grips, top-pegging, leap-frog, rounders,
tip-in-the hat, and all such favourite exercises and
amusements amongst men and boys may now be said
to be not only dead and buried, but in several
159 localities to be entirely forgotten and unknown. And
what have we got in their stead? We have got such
foreign and fantastic field sports as lawn tennis, polo,
croquet, cricket, and the like - very excellent, I believe,
and health-giving exercises in their way, still not racy
of the soil, but rather alien, on the contrary, to it, as
are indeed, for the most part, the men and women
who first imported, and still continue to patronise
them.
the point is that every sport gets government and national lottery funding if they show themselves to be capable of managing the funds and putting them into worthwhile developments.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
people on here harp on about the public monies going into croke park and try use it as a stick to beat the GAA with. i.e. it has public funding gone into it therefore other sports MUST be played there. not so IMO. in fact one lunatic on here even stated that the GAA should be thrown out of croke park!!
the fact is that the FAI have shown themselves to be muppets when it comes to developing a stadium for themselves and moreover totally incapable of lobbying political backing and funds from successive governments.
people harp on about croke park as if it is some kind of national stadium. it is not. granted there is public money gone into it but so too has the vast majority (if not all) of sporting developments in the land. yes the GAA got the €114m but it was given unconditionally by the government. it is a blight on the FAI and those involved in football in this country that there is no national purpose built soccer stadium and only inferior antiquated stadiums throughout the country for a sport so popular.
the GAA has it's own games to protect and are in direct competition for people to play it's games with soccer. it is an amatuer sport and cannot offer the financial monies which soccer or rugby can. however it can offer prestiege to players and good stadiums for its participants and spectators - nationwide. soccer can offer money but not facilities. for these reasons the GAA do not want to just hand over the keys for their stadiums to the other sports who have made little effort to develop their own.. they are protecting their game. can people not see this??
i think it is great that the GAA has opened up the doors of croke park for soccer and rugby. it is a great and noble gesture. however, people involved in soccer have taken it with a shrug of their shoulders and as their right that they should be allowed to play their sport there. why? and then keep harping on about the bigotry of the GAA. get a grip lads. we have just come through 20 YEARS of good times for soccer in this country with full houses galore (for the international team) and a massive upsurge in the popularity of the sport yet the people who run the game in this country are homeless and looking to their competitors for a ground to play their games!!!
instead of pointing to the GAA and their bigotry why not ask the questions of the FAI, namely, why have YOU not provided us with a stadium for soccer? if ye say ye don't have the money then why haven't ye been capable of brokering a deal with the pro-sport FF governments over the last 10 years?? modern day sporting organisations must not only be adept in raising funds but must also have a political nous so as to garner support and funding from the political leaders of the day. sadly those involved in soccer in this country have neither - while the GAA have an abundance of both!