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If he wants to play with Holland that's all well and good, and I wish him good luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
That goes against the grain of what international football should represent.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
You can read about his brief hereQuote:
Originally Posted by bwagner
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...787862760.html
Saucy Jack posted
McCaffrey “held discussions” with Dutch youngster
February 8, 2007
Republic of Ireland youths boss Sean McCaffrey has revealed that he spoke with Dutch international youngster Barry Maguire about the possibility of representing Ireland.
Maguire, 17 and born in Holland, is a regular at first-team level for Dutch league side Den Bosch and made his under-18 debut for the Dutch AGAINST Ireland on Wednesday night.
He qualifies for Ireland through his Dublin-born father – and even donned the green for a friendly at under-15 level – but now looks destined to slip through McCaffrey’s net.
The Irish chief told the Irish Daily Star: “I had discussions with Barry about playing for us and I thought he was going to declare for Ireland.
“I’ve had scouts over to Holland to watch Barry play for his club and the reports were excellent. If he doesn’t want to play for us, that’s his decision and good luck to him
I don't understand why they named him in the squad!
There is another lad attached to 1 of the other dutch clubs callded Adam Maher beinf tracked
It's not that difficult.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
The FAI contacted him, he said yes.
He then had second thoughts and pulled out.
The second thoughts could have been inspired by any number of possibilities, himself,the Dutch FA, family, friends, club.
OK- it was not crystal clear that he said yes - the McCaffrey quote is certainly inconclusive - fair enough if thats the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
It is the most likely scenario, until proved otherwise.
Barry says he has rejected an invitation to join up but postponed a final decision.
Sure the 2 year old McCaffrey quote is inconclusive.
The McCaffrey quote is evidence that the FAI had watched him and approached him 2 years ago.
I know internet petitions are normally laughed at, but in this case it might be of some use.
Send around a link to sign a petition offering the support of the Irish people to Barry Maguire if he would play for Ireland.
Im sure we could get a good few thousand to sign it easily.
Then get MusicinMouth to send it on to him.
I know Id be impressed if I got a petition with thousands of people asking for me to play for Ireland (Unfortunately Im not in the boots of a young talented footballer).
I for one would not be signing any such petition. We should'nt have to beg a player to play for us. Most Irish people would give their right arm to play for Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by bawn79
Agreed. As I've said before, if he was English-born everyone would be against begging him to play for us. I don't see why it's different because he's Dutch.Quote:
Originally Posted by colster
I still think there's a reasonable chance he'll turn out for us though.
Pretty much agree with that, he's eligable for us, he eligable for the dutch, he has been asked. If he feels more Dutch than Irish - no hard feelings and wish him all the bestQuote:
Originally Posted by colster
i'll imagine he'll wait till just before his 21st birthday if he chooses to play for ireland, as it'll come down to whether or not he believes he will be good enough to regularly make the Dutch senior squad when he gets older.
Totally understand where ye are coming from, I think I phrased things badly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newryrep
I suppose I just meant the petition as a show of the support he would have in Ireland. Its unlikely that he would get such support in Holland and I thought that could be the deciding factor.
I guess I would give anything for the team to be successful and he sounds like a player with great potential.
Internet petitions are not worth the paper they're printed on.
Neither would sending an email to a guys bebo website you would think.Quote:
Originally Posted by amaccann
Hey musicinmouth, if you have the time get onto this lad
Paddy John
He was born in Liberia, and has Dutch nationality but he's clearly a Paddy.
Ok, so there is an article in the Sunday Times about Barry Maguire... sounds like Don Givens messed up again... he promised Barry that he would still be able to switch back to holland if he played for our U21 team up to the age of 21... that wasn't true as you can only switch once... Givens insisted he was right, when he was not... He did something similar with James McCarthy recently... The article mentioned that Givens believes he has a lot of admirers for not taking any nonsense from players... It also mentions he has been manager for NINE years and we have slipped to fourth seeds in the U21 competitions...
Barry Maguire is too good a player for us to miss out because of Don Givens.
It sounds like Barry would really like to play for us - I have a really strong impression that that is the case...
It's very frustrating that Givens seems to be so reckless with the young players... I don't understand how he is still the manager...
Petition is up. Not sure if I got the wording right - even the word 'petition' is regrettably inadequate - as people have written above I don't want to be seen to be begging anyone, but rather than do nothing I would like to let the guy know that there are an awful lot of people here who hope that he does declare for us.
http://www.petitiononline.com/lysaghtb/petition.html
After we played Portugal Givens went on record as saying he had thought that had tied McCarthy to Ireland. How a guy in his position isn't aware of the rules is astonishing.Quote:
Originally Posted by musicinmouth
Givens' influence on Irish international football, underage and senior, is causing damage.
How on earth is he held in such high esteem?
I think a Don Givens to be removed might have more success as a petition. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TerryPhelan
[QUOTE=musicinmouth;1142194]
It sounds like Barry would really like to play for us - I have a really strong impression that that is the case...
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Great if so - what makes you think this ?
I would be very grateful if some could post or provide a link to this article. I assume it is on page 8 above the piece with Shay Given. In the NI edition it had an article on the IFA's attempts to secure Nigel Worthington to a new contract instead. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by musicinmouth
Apologies for the tangent, but in this NI centred article, IFA President and acting Chief Executive Raymond Kennedy revealed that the association is due to have further talks with FIFA to seek clarification about the eligibility ruling entitling players born in NI to play for ROI if they so wish. He states, "FIFA will call us over and have a meeting with us and the Republic....it is a matter of intepretation. We had a meeting with them and we suggested we have another meeting."
The article also states that there have been calls for the IFA to stand up to FIFA more firmly on the issue. Good luck with that :rolleyes:.
Kennedy wouldn't rule out legal action of some sort, but said it was best avoided. He goes on to say, " As far as I am concerned legal people have been getting involved anyway. I don't want to say too much because it is a very sensitive issue and we will try to resolve it through football."
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I hope they have the meeting tomorrow and then this whole issue can be put to bed once and for all.
.....I feel a migraine coming on!
Thirty signatures and counting... Come on lads, Barry Maguire's international future is (sort of) in our hands - let's make this happen!!
:):ball:
Sign your name at http://www.petitiononline.com/lysaghtb/
Musicinmouth, if we reach a respectable number of signatures would you reckon you could maybe just send word on to Barry that there are a lot of people here who are very keen to see him play for Ireland - keen to the point of starting and signing a petition of support? You'd know the lie of the land better than most about this situation. Cheers man.
done.
signed
34 now!
Come on lads - how many members are there on foot.ie?
I'm gonna get at least 10 to sign it.
I'm 37 (again)
#39, done.
That's the spirit lads, brilliant! :)
No. 44
done no 46
Am I the only one who finds this more than a little pathetic?
Whatever happened to a player being eligible, being willing, and then being good enough to be selected by the manager?..............without any begging letters.
Completely agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbod
This whole petition thing is cringe worthy tbh.
Smacks of desperation.
If you read the comments on the petition, you'll see that it's in a good spirit.
People are saying they will support him whether he plays for us or not, and to follow his heart.
I don't see the harm in letting him know that he'd be welcomed by the fans if he declared for us.
If that's so, then an open letter "from the football fans of Ireland" might make more sense? Online petitions are easy to set-up, worth nothing & even easier to ignore. At least an open letter to some news / footie sites might cut more ice?
I agree that begging letters are pathetic - and as I said when I posted the thing up, the word 'petition' is inadequate to say the least. If you look at the wording of the actual petition, hopefully it does justice to what I was trying to get across: we want to show support, to let him know that if he did decide to declare for Ireland there are a lot of people who would be happy with that, but that ultimately it goes without saying either decision will be respected. It's a small effort to try and undo some of the confusion sown by Don Givens. Nobody's begging anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by TerryPhelan
51 now
The petition reads fine Terry.
just a thought - anyone on facebook should send it to there friends or put it up on there wall - i know at least 60 of mine that will sign it
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Originally Posted by irishfan86
Since when did ye lot speak for the entire Irish support?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by amaccann
I'd like to see him play for Ireland but a "petition" seems a bit desperate. Would people be doing this if he was English born?