Aside from Writing on The Tricolour..any one notice how many upside down tricolours /Ivory Coast flags were being waved at Croke Park yesterday...
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Aside from Writing on The Tricolour..any one notice how many upside down tricolours /Ivory Coast flags were being waved at Croke Park yesterday...
for those of you with a penchant for writing chelsea on a tricolour i saw a flag at stamford bridge on telly yesterday:
union jack with:
........L
........O
........Y
........A
C.H.E.L.S.E.A
........I
........S
........T
written on the st. georgie cross section.
sums up majority of chelsea supporters too
Oh like you know what the average Chelsea fan is like..when was the last time you took a visit to the Bridge? ever?
If you looked you would also see American Flags, Canadian flags, Cypriot Chelsea flags and many more...
lived in london for 6 years in the late 80's to mid 90's. went to most grounds in london and i can honestly say that chelsea and millwall were disgusting places to go. you couldn't open your mouth as an irish person without serious risk to your health. chelsea's hardcore support is linked with both combat 18 and the BNP and the notorious headhunters are still a menace to many cities in euroipe when chelsea play away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Royfor
there may be many johnny come lately's at stamford bridge but their 'real' supporters are similar to the hardcore elements of their 'blues brothers' linfield and rangers.
but i suppose you cant see that from kark watchin on sky like
No But I saw quite of Cross section of Chelsea fans at The Bridge at the 4 Chelsea games at the Bridge so far this year I will keep you posted What I see in Porto Away next Wednesday and in Cardiff for the Final on the following Sunday and the rest of the season. Et Tu Brute?
I'd take galwayhoop's word over any johnny come lately. You would want be incredibly naive not to believe that there is a significant anti Irish feel amongst the chelsea support.
I asked the owner of the chelsea tricolour would he bring it to the bridge. The silence said it all. There is no defense for writing any english club on an Irish tricolour. End of.
KOH
if I see a Chelsea flag at Croke park next month I'll probably burn it :) !!!
Quite incredible when you can buy Irish Flags Tshirts & Badges with Chelsea logo on the stalls outside Stamford Bridge.
I remember Seeing a few Chelsea Flags/Tricolours back in WC 94 In Giants Stadium for Ireland V Italy & Norway games both in Stadium and on TV. Suprisingly not mentioned back then...but seems to be issue now...Perhaps they were not following Ireland or soccer back then...
I think most Irish football fans would agree that having Chelsea on an Irish flag is very offensive! It's the height of naievity and quite frankly, I find it disgusting!
With the mood so low, amongst Ireland supporters, at the moment and with tensions running high, something like this could spark a very serious situation.
Oh it was;) No internet back then didnt mean those idiots didnt get abuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Royfor
That was a great WC because the brits werent there but on the other hand they thought it was okay to hang their flags at our games. This happened again at the Saudi Arabia when some genius decided to hang a butchers apron. He was soon ran out of it.
KOH
I don't agree with you, NY Hoop.
England has some of the best supporters in the world and they're entitled to go to the games of other countries. Ireland fans are always at it. We even had a guy on here who hung his flag a various games in the last World Cup. I have no problem with that.
Chelsea does not belong on an Irish flag though!
England have probably the best fans in the world. But you're asking for it by hanging a butchers apron at an Ireland game. St georges cross no problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
I, along with others, hung Rovers flags last summer in Germany but werent stupid enough to do it an ingerland game.
KOH
As a matter of interest why did you feel the need to hang a flag from a LOI club at the World Cup?,seems a bit daft to me,an I wouldn't think England supporters would be bothered if you hung it at an England World Cup game,depending on what was on it of course,most wouldn't even know anything about Shamrock Rovers.Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
Anyone with Sky Sports would have Sky Sports News and in the same way that I know who Altrincham & Tamworth are, many English football fans will recognise the Irish clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dublin12
Certainly not my experience in England or elsewhere. Most hardcore football fans are well aware of Rovers and Irish football in general. Like us they follow football obsessively. It's just our olé olérs and barstoolers who haven't a clue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dublin12
KOH
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Originally Posted by Peadar
Would you really?Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
Given Peadar's (and other's) comments above, there's starting to be a real sense of a riot breaking out at a game, would you really want to be remembered for that?
Only daft to you. At one of the games I was sitting beside a man city fan (a real one from manchester not some knob paddy) and he had his flag next to mine and ingerland werent playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dublin12
To me its free advertising and the WC is the ideal time to do it with the mass coverage.
WAR is 1000% correct. Barstoolers are clueless about football culture.
KOH
If someone was involved in a row because they had Chelsea on an Irish flag, I would not defend them or try to intervene.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
It'd be a surreal sight to see "Chelsea" emblazoned on the tricolour at Croke Park in fairness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
Its well known, as posted above, that Chelsea's hardcore support are involved with Combat 18 and BNP - both with an anti-irish bias.
really, are you sure about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
da brother who lives in London was drinking with a few Millwall fans over the weekend, he says they didnt have a problem with the Irish at all, i wonder with Muslims the new terrorists that they have just a new target for their hate, as he said they were extremely racist, and hardcoreQuote:
Originally Posted by galwayhoop
still havent heard from him since though!
hmmm....suppose I better not bring my Rangers tricolour to the wales match then.
Hardcore Chelsea are scum. Apparently majorly involved in lansdowne '95 too. At the Chelsea-Celtic pre-season game the 'blues brothers' element certainly made their presence felt with Linfield, Rangers flags etc, as well as a well organised ambush on visiting supporters at Fulham broadway tube before and after the game.Intimidating place to be Irish on that particular night.
As for the flag defacing, an initial reaction on seeing a Chelsea tricolour would be 'what?!?!?' but thinking about it and reading the accounts above of the chelsea guy who owns it I see it a little differently. I lived in England too and met many 2nd and 3rd gen Ireland fans. If I saw some of them at a game with say, 'Coventry Irish' or 'Northampton' across a tricolour I would look upon it as the lads going 'This is our club, this is our country, on one flag. We may not be born in Ireland but we are as much Ireland supporters as you are' They are a reflection of the Irish diaspora. I think EL supporters are a little too quick to think 'hey these are the idiots neglecting our league'. Not all of us were born into an EL club heartland or were brought up in one of its clubs traditions. As I once heard (albeit in the context of a club vs country debate) - your club could be like your wife, you choose it and it's passionate, your country is like your mother, its a different love, unconditional. Football supporters are all different, different aspects of the game make them tick. Chill out a little and let someone scrawl the name of place outside of Ireland on a tricolour if they feel they are getting something from it.:)
thank you bottle of tonic - someone is finally making sense.
England probably do have the best fans in the world in terms of visible support at games. I know a few guys who go to every England game. These guys are genuine football fans. It is clear that the majority of England fans are well behaved nowadays. The are under constant media scrutiny and according to the lads i know they get incredible levels of provocation at away games. The police are generally very aggressive towards them.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Look at the incidents that happened at the San Marino game last week with a small section of our fans throwing bottles and cans at our own fans, if that happened at an England game it would be all over the media.
I think many here are looking at england fans and football fans in england through rose-tinted spectacles. I can tell you that fans of british clubs teams are pussies compared to their european counterparts. A spurs fan I know very very well from london was at Cardiff in January and they needed the protection of 800 riot police due to the level of attack for Cardiff city (welsh) fans.
I have travelled to alot of the away grounds in england and have to concur that Chelsea hardcore fans, west hardcore ham fans, man united hardcore fans are by far the most troublesome. I have been p1ssed on from the upper tier in old trafford. We (Liverpool) were bad bad b st rds in the 70's and 80's but have calmed down alot in the last 10 years. You rarely see bother at liverpool games (far less than i have seen at the few EL games I have attended).
As for flags at games. I can tell you know that you can bring or buy a tri-colour at any PL ground in england and have no worries.
I am astonished at those suggesting that a flag saying Chelsea is out of place in Croke Park, Wolfie. I hope everyone who owns a club based flag brings it to Croke Park for the game and we have the names of the clubs for Ireland, England, Scotland, Wales and europe lining the stands around the ground. This shows just how far and wide the love for the team is spread.
Whether you like it or not the vast majority of british cities have sizeable irish communities and these people have as much right to hang a flag at any Ireland game home or away as a Rovers, Bohs, Shels or Cork City etc fan.
Yes, quite sure! Having spent almost 5 years in England, I've mixed with some of the best football supporters, I've seen anywhere in the world, on my travels.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Your name suggests that you're alligned to a certain Glasgow bigot franchise so I'll spare my words, because I'm worn out from trying to talk sense to your lot.
Reder were you in san marino? nobody threw bottles at each other !!
You have got to be fcuking kidding me !!
This needs to be knocked on the head right now
Some drunk muppet threw a half full can out onto the running track.
That and the altercation between two lads was the height of it.
I was told by this 2 guys I have sat beside at ireland home games for the past 10 years. I didnt attend the game as I am sick to the eye teeth of being shafted by the FAI for away tickets when it comes to "big" away games. For years I have been to 90% and constantly missing out when it comes to the Germany, Switzerland away situations.
well i dont know what those two guys agenda is but neither did i or anyone i spoke to see bottles thrown and its well out of order to be saying things like that, also the cops checked everyone and there were no bottles in the ground , lots of cans though..
Waht a crock. I was at that game and Spurs brought a huge mob of hundreds intent on having a pop at Cardiff. Fair play to them as no-one else has had the balls in years. But to say that the cops were there to protect the Spurs fans is utter nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by reder
BTW Totally agree that English fans are the best in the world. No other country in the world can sustain 4 1/2 professional leagues. By and large English people follow their local teams.
KOH
your right of course, but to be fair football is the only real spectator sport in england. i know you have both rugby's aswell but they are shorter seasons and fewer teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
here we also have the GAA and at most championship games you get full houses - although even here there are the hangers on who only go to games with final in the name (1/4, semi ...etc). the majority of irish soccer 'supporters' are much happier watching from their living rooms or in the pub and moaning about how crap the eL is.
Not what I'm saying at all. Anybody who supports the national team and lives abroad I have a lot of time for. The only idiots who are neglecting our league are the idiots living in Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bottle of Tonic
Still wrong to put an english club on a tricolour and then complain about being abused.
Something like coventry Irish is harmless because they are stating that they are Irish based in coventry.
KOH
totally agree with you here.Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
southampton / london / liverpool irish = ok.
southampton fc / arsenal fc / liverpool fc / man united = get a life
Because of economic problems I was forced to emigrate to England in the early 90's now I support my local team but if I put it on my national flag (I am still an Irish citizen and passport holder and have never taken nationality of another country) I need to "get a life".
My local team is no longer Athlone Town I haven't been to a town game in 15 years, I still follow thier results but they are no longer my team, exactly what is the problem with me putting my local English club that I go to week in week out on an Irish flag? My kids will grow up in England (unless I get a chance to move somewhere hotter) but will still be Irish citizens, will they be told to get a life with their foreign clubs and foreign accents thinking they can follow Ireland?
This is an old argument and divides people roughly into those who have never had to deal with emigration and those who have.
It was more a throwaway comment on how it will be an unusual sight to potentially see the names of English Premiership clubs appearing on Tricolours in Croke Park - the heartland of the GAA and sporting nationalism. Normally all that's written on them at GAA matches is "HOWYA!" or "We'll Flush the Jacks!!"Quote:
Originally Posted by reder
Don't want to meander the debate onto Croker as has been discussed at length on previous threads.
My point was that it will re-inforce the historical element of soccer and all attached to it at Croker.
If Anglo Irish lads want to display their customised Irish flag - knock yourself out, Man.
Why do you want to put the name of an English club on an Irish flag? Stop trying to turn this into some diaspora debate when it isn't one!Quote:
Originally Posted by endabob1
If you want to support Ireland, why do you feel that sticking something like Chelsea or Spurs or whatever, on your flag, will enhance your support?
Don't give me some rubbish about eircom League teams on Irish flags because it just doesn't wash with me. If we didn't have a National League, we couldn't have a National team. All that aside, if you go to any eircom League game, you'll see a wonderful display of creativity & colour, where flags were designed & are unique to the clubs. Very few, if any, Irish flags.
Having a foreign team name on an Irish flag, is not a sign of support for Irish football. You're only fooling yourself if you think otherwise.
Don't get me started on the supporters of that Irish team in Glasgow!
Rubbish. Rovers have fans who are members all over europe and in the states. Yet they dont feel the need to put their local sides on a tricolour.Quote:
Originally Posted by endabob1
Why not put Athlone Town on your flag? You cant say they are no longer your team just because you live abroad. A club is for life no matter what the circumstances.
KOH
Peader
This has been debated on here several times and the split is always the same, which is what really bugs me.
I have no issue with people putting whatever they want on the flag as long they are supporting Ireland, it doesn't bother me in the slightest.
Personally I wouldn't put anything on the flag (actually I wouldn't bring a flag full stop) but I don't see the logic in saying it's ok to have Cork City or Derry City but not Tranmere Rovers (as was the cause celeb of the debate after Germany).
You appear to be unable to differntiate support for the Irish National Team and supporting Irish Football as a whole entity, I agree that they are intertwined but they it's possible to do one without the other, there are lots of EL supporters who don't care about the national team.
Exactly,so you can't start knocking Irish supporters who have followed an English team and Ireland all their life and are maybe in an Irish branch of the teams supporters club and want to put thier club name on a tricolour.It's been going on for years and it will go on for years because it's no big deal except for a small minority of people who like a good ol whinge,and theres plenty of them knocking around Ireland these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop