John O'Shea

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Originally Posted by Slash/ED

Harte and O'Shea are both far better than Maybury, if you can't even see how woeful he was against Poland just because we didn't concede than no wonder you can't see what.

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Maybe I was watching a different game, but when Maybury came on to replace Harte, who was being roasted by the Polish flyer of a right winger, O'Shea was switched to left back and Maybury played out of position at right back. O'Shea did not much fare much better than Harte against their winger. Maybury misdirected a couple of passes and gave away an unneccessary corner but I don't remember any Polish player going by him with the same ease that the Polish right winger went by Harte and then O'Shea. Luckily for us this winger's final ball was not brilliant.

Maybury also played in all 4 games in the nine day spell last summer against Romania/Nigeria (played 45 mnutes)/Jamaica/Holland and did not look out of place being no worse than anyone else.

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Originally Posted by Superhoops

Maybe I was watching a different game, but when Maybury came on to replace Harte, who was being roasted by the Polish flyer of a right winger, O'Shea was switched to left back and Maybury played out of position at right back. O'Shea did not much fare much better than Harte against their winger. Maybury misdirected a couple of passes and gave away an unneccessary corner but I don't remember any Polish player going by him with the same ease that the Polish right winger went by Harte and then O'Shea. Luckily for us this winger's final ball was not brilliant.

Maybury also played in all 4 games in the nine day spell last summer against Romania/Nigeria (played 45 mnutes)/Jamaica/Holland and did not look out of place being no worse than anyone else.

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You must have watched a different game because Maybury was our worst player when he came on against Poland and by some distance, he was beaten constantly and right back is his position. Every time he plays for Ireland he shows he's not capable of crossing or passing the ball and when he's attacked, he's not upto it defencively either. He's not international class, not by a long shot. To say he's better than O'Shea is laughable, even Harte for that matter. Harte, like Maybury, can't defend but at least he can go forward.

If I remember the Polish match fairly well, he was down our side of the pitch in the second half and along with everything else his heading was woefull...

Both Harte and Kelly were ahead of him at Leeds and he was not snapped up by anyone in the English league because they don't rate himn and neither do I.

O' Shea scored again to-day,but I am afraid it was in the wrong goal.This guy appears to be making big fcukups every time he get the opportunity to play for united.This is worrying as both himself and Andy O' Brien are now so unpredictable these days.Lets hope someone waves a magic wand over both of them for the upcoming Internationals or we could be in big big trouble.Any thoughts anyone?

I wouldn't be O'Shea's biggest fan but scoring an own goal is part and parcel of being a defender. The best of them do it. He set up the equaliser for Fletcher to head in.

he made up for it by setting up uniteds goal. eirebhoy do you have a stream for the united match?

There was nothing he could do about the goal, 100% calamity Carrolls fault yet again. He set one up then and was unlucky to have one cleared off the line.

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Originally Posted by FarBeag

O' Shea scored again to-day,but I am afraid it was in the wrong goal.This guy appears to be making big fcukups every time he get the opportunity to play for united.This is worrying as both himself and Andy O' Brien are now so unpredictable these days.Lets hope someone waves a magic wand over both of them for the upcoming Internationals or we could be in big big trouble.Any thoughts anyone?

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Big deal,he was unlucky and it happens to the best of players. he was very unlucky last w/e aswell against west brom, was never a penalty in my eyes.

I can't believe that anyone would need to point this out to them Samuel. As David Meek of the Manchester Evening News has it, United were more than willing accomplices in the new business-led football world of the early-90s and so haven't a leg to stand on at the current time. What goes around comes around and all that. We've had plc-led excuses for not spending money at Celtic for years, so I know how ManUre "fans" must be feeling right now. I don't feel in the slightest sorry for them though. :p

But, given that I am apparently a mod on here after all, I should be sending this discussion elsewhere... :eek: ;)

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This guy Glazier must be a real idiot (he certaintly loooks like one) if he thinks he well make a succes of United considering how hostile the fans are towards him.
There seems limited room for futher improvement and its easy to see how
it could turn out to be a totally disasterous venture.

The guy clearly has more, much of it borrowed, money than sense

Quote....jimbob117...Big deal,he was unlucky and it happens to the best of players. he was very unlucky last w/e aswell against west brom, was never a penalty in my eyes.

Ok..Wrong place wrong time and all that and yes it could happen to the best but i question this guy's judgement.Jimbob, did you watch the match last week and if you did you failed to comment on his beautiful backheader that left Carrol scrambling and nearly getting his Ba**s choped off in the process. The penalty was six of one half dozen of the other so i guess he was unlucky here too.Eventually this guys luck will run out and he or you wont have any more excuses.O'Shea is fine going forward but he is a very average defender who is prone to a lot of mistakes and is not the answer to our left back problem simple as that.

Based on a penalty that shouldn't have been given and an own goal that wasn't even remotely his fault? It's any excuse to have a go at O'Shea on here.

Quote Slash/Ed...Based on a penalty that shouldn't have been given and an own goal that wasn't even remotely his fault? It's any excuse to have a go at O'Shea on here.

I am not having a go at him,i am simply pointing out the facts and voicing my opinion and its not just the penalty and the own goal that i am talking about.Its been a long season and to be fair he has made a lot of mistakes. If he was any good he would be playing a center back not in a position he is clearly not suited to.How highly do you rate him then?

I don't think he's a great left back but if he can nail down a position in the middle he can be a very good central defender. He has to wait for a chance to come for him.

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Originally Posted by Slash/ED

Based on a penalty that shouldn't have been given and an own goal that wasn't even remotely his fault? It's any excuse to have a go at O'Shea on here.

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Not at all. He just hasn't the judgement or maturity to lead a Premiership-standard back line, which casts a long shadow over his ability to do it at the level required for Ireland. Lose the red-tinted specs, Slash...

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red-tinted specs? I'm not a Man U fan :confused:

I think he has shown potential as a central defender even this season, he does need someone strong beside him however, but has alot going for him in that position. I wouldn't play him in central defence for Ireland until he gets that position for Man U so I hope for his sake an opening creates itself there and he takes the chance.

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Originally Posted by tricky_colour

This guy Glazier must be a real idiot (he certaintly loooks like one) if he thinks he well make a succes of United considering how hostile the fans are towards him.
There seems limited room for futher improvement and its easy to see how
it could turn out to be a totally disasterous venture.

The guy clearly has more, much of it borrowed, money than sense

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You obviously know nothing about leveraged buy-outs. I'll make it as simple as possible. He is boring money at an interest rate that is LESS than the revenue that Manchester United will generate. That is, he will skim the difference between the revenue generated by United and the loan payments he will have to make every month or quarter. United have enough guaranteed contacts (TV rights etc.) so that the lenders are not that concerned about a "fan revolt".

It does not appear, however, that this augurs well for the future of United as a competitive team.

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Originally Posted by Slash/ED

red-tinted specs? I'm not a Man U fan :confused:

I think he has shown potential as a central defender even this season, he does need someone strong beside him however, but has alot going for him in that position. I wouldn't play him in central defence for Ireland until he gets that position for Man U so I hope for his sake an opening creates itself there and he takes the chance.

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So on that basis as he can't get the Left Back position at Man U, I assume you wouldn't play him there for Ireland either!

Ideally no, but since we've little to no options there I would, it's basically a choice between him or Harte or we try Finnan out there, but that's too risky to do with qualifyers coming up.

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Originally Posted by Slash/ED

Ideally no, but since we've little to no options there I would, it's basically a choice between him or Harte or we try Finnan out there, but that's too risky to do with qualifyers coming up.

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Richard Dunne, Alan Maybury and even Clive Clark can defend better than O'Shea. Finnan moving to LB would hardly be a risk.

Kerr is a very conservative manager he wont move Finnan to left back in a world cup qualifyers without doing it in a few friendlys before hand. Maybury and Dunne would not be better left backs than O'Shea.

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Originally Posted by Slash/ED

red-tinted specs? I'm not a Man U fan :confused:

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I didn't say you were a follower of those particular Red hordes, but your comment is symptomatic of a fascintation with certain Lancashire-origin teams in red that seems to captivate the entire east coast of Ireland. O'Shea may play semi-regularly for ManUre's first XI, but that in itself does not an Ireland player make. On current form, he just ain't good enough. End of.

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Like I said ideally I'd agree with you but atm he's the best of a bad bunch as far as left backs are concerned unless we put Finnan there and Kerr simply wont do that for a world cup qualifyer unless forced with injury.

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Originally Posted by FarBeag

Jimbob, did you watch the match last week and if you did you failed to comment on his beautiful backheader that left Carrol scrambling and nearly getting his Ba**s choped off in the process. The penalty was six of one half dozen of the other so i guess he was unlucky here too.Eventually this guys luck will run out and he or you wont have any more excuses.O'Shea is fine going forward but he is a very average defender who is prone to a lot of mistakes and is not the answer to our left back problem simple as that.

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I did, but Carroll aint exactly the best man to have behind you to give ya confidence. I disagree with what you say, i think O'shea is a decent defender with poor distribution going forward. Think he has the ability to be a decent centre half, maybe even centre midfielder, but at the moment he lacks confidence. Hopefully he can settle down and get regular first team football, be it at utd or another decent prem club, and be given a regular position

Im sure you'll remember his lob when utd beat arsenal or when he nutmegged Figo.. shows what potential the guy has!

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Originally Posted by Slash/ED

Like I said ideally I'd agree with you but atm he's the best of a bad bunch as far as left backs are concerned unless we put Finnan there and Kerr simply wont do that for a world cup qualifyer unless forced with injury.

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Fair play. That's a good analysis of the situation atm.

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Quote Jimbob117...I did, but Carroll aint exactly the best man to have behind you to give ya confidence. I disagree with what you say, i think O'shea is a decent defender with poor distribution going forward. Think he has the ability to be a decent centre half, maybe even centre midfielder, but at the moment he lacks confidence. Hopefully he can settle down and get regular first team football, be it at utd or another decent prem club, and be given a regular position

Im sure you'll remember his lob when utd beat arsenal or when he nutmegged Figo.. shows what potential the guy has!


It does not matter what the standard of goal keeping,there is no excuse for that type of headed back pass at this standard.Are we talking about the same John O' Shea here?He is not good enough in the back line at all,left,right centre even midfield.Even if he was he will never get the chance to develop into a centre while he is at United anyway.I think his distribution going forward is much better than his defending but that is another story.Like the lads said he is the best of a bad bunch but with O'Brien playing/or not playing the way he is,it does not give me much confidence in the Irish backline apart from Given,Finnan and good old Mr Reliable Kenny Cunningham.I know that Clive Clarke does not feature for Ireland much but he is a natural left back,plays regular and captains Stoke City(ok,its only stoke) but surely he is better than the others.
As for the chip he scored against Arsenal, it took him half a lifetime to realise it went in. As for his nugmeg on Figo,His only fame to claim i guess.

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Originally Posted by FarBeag

As for the chip he scored against Arsenal, it took him half a lifetime to realise it went in.

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What? :confused:

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Originally Posted by FarBeag

As for the chip he scored against Arsenal, it took him half a lifetime to realise it went in. As for his nugmeg on Figo,His only fame to claim i guess.

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Isnt that 2 things????
Well have you not watched any of his performances in midfield?? He's done fairly well. You have to remember he's only young and is learning and ferguson obvviously rates him, amongst others.
I mean Cunningham was a later starter and, with experience, you refer to him as reliable. As for O'Brien, while his form for newcastle has been poor, the guy has done little wrong for Ireland. Was one of the best players against France away amongst other games.

What?

His reaction to the fact it went in was as slow as his reaction to a player running up the left wing past him. :)

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Originally Posted by FarBeag

What?

His reaction to the fact it went in was as slow as his reaction to a player running up the left wing past him. :)

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What are ya talking about, it was a good finish, at least u should be able to acknowledge that.

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Originally Posted by FarBeag

What?

His reaction to the fact it went in was as slow as his reaction to a player running up the left wing past him. :)

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You can't seem to give him any credit whatsoever, have you something against him? :confused:

Quote Jimbob117..Well have you not watched any of his performances in midfield?? He's done fairly well. You have to remember he's only young and is learning and ferguson obvviously rates him, amongst others.
I mean Cunningham was a later starter and, with experience, you refer to him as reliable. As for O'Brien, while his form for newcastle has been poor, the guy has done little wrong for Ireland. Was one of the best players against France away amongst other games

Ya..I have watched him play in every position for utd and i still think he is crap.I agree with you on O'Brien though, **** for newcastle but excellent for Ireland but he is prone to bad mistakes so lets hope he carries on playing well for us.As far as Cunningham is concerned, he was not a late developer he has always been consistant while playing for the Dons but could not make the Irish team at the time due to the standard of backs we had that time.There is no comparing the two and in my opinion there never will.

Quote slash/Ed..You can't seem to give him any credit whatsoever, have you something against him?

No..Nothing what so ever apart from him being a very average football player.I don't know him personally but he appears like a sound lad.

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Originally Posted by FarBeag

Ya..I have watched him play in every position for utd and i still think he is crap.I agree with you on O'Brien though, **** for newcastle but excellent for Ireland but he is prone to bad mistakes so lets hope he carries on playing well for us.As far as Cunningham is concerned, he was not a late developer he has always been consistant while playing for the Dons but could not make the Irish team at the time due to the standard of backs we had that time.There is no comparing the two and in my opinion there never will.

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Well we'll have to disagree. When i first was watching Cunningham, he was being kept out of the team by Keith Curle,Brian Talbot,Chris Perry and another lad whos name i cant think of off hand.(hardly world class players) cunningham wasnt a regular, and even played at right back as a fill in.
As for o'shea being crap, i think you are being way too harsh, but alas, if thats ur opinion so be it

Having a go at O'Shea for scoring that OG really is a joke and shows how ridiculously biased against Manchester United some of the people are on here. The goal was entirely Carrols fault and the truth be told O'Shea was on of Uniteds better players at the weekend.

I have long thought that O'Shea's best postition is central midfield. I think that if he realises this himself he should move to get regular 1st team football in that position.

Quote..Carnstien...Having a go at O'Shea for scoring that OG really is a joke and shows how ridiculously biased against Manchester United some of the people are on here. The goal was entirely Carrols fault and the truth be told O'Shea was on of Uniteds better players at the weekend...

I have nothing against Man U what so ever and i do admire them even when they blame everything/one but themselves when they don't win games.I am pointing out some of my observations in John O' Shea's play and its my opinion that he is not a good defender. How can i be biased against Utd because of this.If I say a player in any team is not playing well,it does not mean i dislike the whole team.

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Originally Posted by samuel

In England its now Chelsea Arsenal and United because they have the financial clout, The game is sick and the fans are the only ones that suffer.

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There is no way you can put Arsenal in the same bracket as Chelsea and United financially. Arsenal are in the position they are in because of Wengers exceptional management. Arsenal have even less money to spend than the likes of Spurs, Newcastle and Middlesborough.

So becuase of this it could be argued that many more than those 3 teams have the potential to win the league if the were properly managed.

Its my opinion that if you put Wenger and Mourinho in charge of Newcastle and Spurs, within 5 years they would be the dominant teams in England.

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Originally Posted by gonzo

Carroll's a muppet who supports Ingleland,even though he allegedly plays for another 'international' side,whilst JO'S is another,albeit high-profile,mediocre EPL centre-back/defender....unfortunately amongst the best that Ireland have got. :o

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u really live up to ur name.. (gonzo was a muppet wasnt he)

Calling him a mediocre centre back, when id say you have only seen him play there 2 or 3 times is just plain ignorance. and why are you putting 'international' in ' '??hes plays for northern ireland and they are an international side, end of story. u may not like it but u gotta respect it

Manchester United defender John O'Shea has revealed he is on the verge of signing a new four-year contract with the Old Trafford outfit.
The 24-year-old Republic of Ireland international has recently been linked with a move to Celtic.

"I am very close to signing a new four-year deal and, fingers crossed, that will be done and dusted before the start of the season," O'Shea said.

"I'm looking forward to spending more time here and enjoying more success."

O'Shea, whose present contract expires next summer, added: "When I first broke into the squad I played about 50 games a season for a couple of years.

"Last season, I took part in 37, so anywhere in between would be nice."

O'Shea made his 155th senior appearance for United against Debrecen on Tuesday.


Good News in my view, Looks like Ferguson has faith in him.

I've mixed views. I don't see O'Shea being in the first XI if everyone's fit. Obviously it's great if a club like MUFC has faith in a 24 yr old Irish guy but I wonder will it hinder rather than help his development.

How long was left on his contract? It could just be MUFC protecting the value of their assets.