Give it a rest GW i didnt see you coming out and complaining when that pure propaganda piece was written about Galway a week ago. Was that a news piece or an opinion piece???Quote:
Originally Posted by JW.
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Give it a rest GW i didnt see you coming out and complaining when that pure propaganda piece was written about Galway a week ago. Was that a news piece or an opinion piece???Quote:
Originally Posted by JW.
it could have been but someone was trying to lose u :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
- however, my friend, the results of this miraculous process turned out to be totally insignificant on the league as a whole, yet very damaging to one club while granting another a free leg up. It is likely next year we will be back where we started. Alas the irish leagues last chance to sort itself out has been squandered. Is your stool comfortable? i hope so.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Please explain my this is so. The FAI have picked the best clubs so will have the best possible 12 team package.Quote:
Originally Posted by bholg
Galway United budgetted move to fulltime professional players surely backs this up.
No the best clubs though are they Pete? Using the IAG's points for off the field and this years league placings would've seen Dundalk in the premier. They were ****e 3 years ago and are getting punished
Can't change the rules now get answer don't like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
The IAG process appears to have been very fair as been no leaks with must be an FAI first. If Delaney was interferring he would have helped out Waterford. I would be critical of the FAI if they scrapped the process when didn't like the result.
If its fair, release the full breakdown. Thats all I'm asking for. Until the do that, we can't see why clubs got x or y points. Oh and the people complaining about it now, have always complained about it. Likewise those defending them
It's unfair though that Galway be slated for beneffitng from the FAI's criteria.
Good thread though.Personal Insults from the likes of Sduffy ruin it though.That was a sly nasty jibe.Cop on.
No he didn't.He wrote a biased article.It may have had some facts in it but he had words likeQuote:
Originally Posted by sduffy
"farce,sadly,confusion "etc.
Nevertheless you shouldn't have attcked JW like that.Maybe yee know each other but i thought it was out of line.
Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by sduffy
I've an idea...
At a guess I'd say Daniel reads this forum. We all know Johnny does too. Why don't the pair of them write pieces that they would have submitted to the Nightdub Times as coverage of this story and post them up here? Be sure to mark your entries as "news" or "opinion", guys.
Passive, feel free to join in too. :D
BTW, just as anecdotal prrof of Chicagosaint's point about people's sources of news, I haven't read Daniel's piece yet, but I now know all about it thanks to the internet.
Impartiality went out the window when the good people who conducted the report for Genesis decided to travel across west to Galway to discuss something that the rest of us were not privy to.
A year ago.
Oh what Dundalk and Waterford would given to be a fly on the wall then.
There's a certain amount of truth in this with an added dose of suspicion that was created by Galway fans telling anyone who would listen all season that they would go up regardless of where they finished.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniffa
However, the counter-argument is that Genesis went to Galway precisely because they were viewed as one of the best run clubs off the field (they were well into their 5yr plan at that stage). Chicken or egg?
Genesis were invited down to explain to the general public what was going on. You didnt have to be a fly on the wall to know what was going on, all you had to do yourself was either turn up or get your own club to do the same!
Perhaps if Dundalks incompetent officials had actually read the proposals before signing up to them, they would be in the Premier Division today.
As all the clubs signed up to this at the begining of the year they knew that their on-field results in 2006 would only play a minor part in their final placement.
The clubs with poor league records for the previous 3 years who had Premiership aspirations foccused their attention on the off-field points knowing that they would be able to make up more ground there than they would in their final league placement, so they would have thrown much more resources at the off-field activities rather than sign more/better players who would have helped their league position.
How then can you say that Dundalk would deffinitely have finished second and beaten Waterford in the play-off? Surely if they knew the size of the on-field gap they like Galway would have been better putting their resources into their off-field activities?
Every club knew the risks and rewards some got it right some didn't.
Exactly, end of story.Quote:
Originally Posted by endabob1
Nobody is denying the results, its the process we're unhappy with.
Fair enough, but why was the process agreed by all the clubs?
In a hypothetical world if promotion was purely based on league position hypothetically Galway would have spent their money on players rather than infrastructure and hypotheically would have finished in the top 2.
We can't turn back time and while some people may not like it, there's no denying that the clubs all signed up to it so for those who missed out it's a case of getting promoted as quickly as possible. Galways off-field investment may yet cost them beacuse if they were only good enough for 3rd in the first they will need to invest in players quickly or they could well be back there.
Trips to both Galway and Dundalk this year - which unfortunately we had the privilege of - would have told you instantly that one is a well-run, progressive club and the other is an amateur hellhole with delusions of grandeur.
From fans, players, backroom staff, stewards to board level, Galway know what they are at. The jax alone in Terryland would put EVERY other club to shame. Their marketing is spot on, they liase with the police and ensure the safety and comfort of large groups of away fans.
In contrast, Dundalk are just about reaching the mid 1970s. Their attitude to opposing players, officials and fans is disgraceful. Board members of another club told me that they had to put up with the exact same nonsense as Rovers did.
Bottom line - it would have taken the IAG roughly 20 seconds to discount Dundalk BEFORE even beginning to look at their 4 year record. And from what I hear, their presentation was a joke. I know of one large professional practice owed big fees by Dundalk. Dundalk's response? Move the debts to another company. :rolleyes:
The mealy-mouthed moaning from Gill et al is pathetic. If they didn't know the criteria, they should hang their heads in shame. if they did, they should shut up and concentrate on winning promotion next year.
KOH
100& correct. After the farcical scenes on our last trip up there Rovers fans sent concerned emails to DFC. The response from one individual in the club was to slag off our homeless situation. Amateur hour stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
Galway on the other hand have done things professionally and are a very welcome addition to the top flight.
KOH
Stephen
There's probably no point arguing with you but if you think that I started this thread to have a "calculated insult" at Dan, you must assume I've bugger all motives in life.
In other news, sales of handbags in the Dundalk and Galway areas have reached unprecendented levels. Retailers are at a loss to explain the unexpected boom which exceeds the usual Christmas shopping rush.
:rolleyes: ;) :)
As far as I know, Genesis were invited to have a similar meeting in Dublin but refused. I'm sure someone involved will know the details.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry
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Originally Posted by Mr_T
That's nothing on the recent surge in sales of sour grapes and bitter lemons in the Dundalk area. Not traditional Christmas foodstuffs at all....
Aye, Derry took their 3 points deduction well too
And as the FAI were forced to admit and agree, we were perfectly justified in complaining about their incompetence on that one.... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Let's see the strength of any Dundalk or Waterford appeals to the IAG process.....
Perfectly justified my eye. The point is your fans complained bitterly, there's are doing likewise. Thats what all clubs fans do. So let them get on with I say...
There's a huge difference there Dodge, which that gammy eye of yours seems unable to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Did clubs sign up to FAI incompetence in the handling of suspensions at the start of the season ? No. But that's what some of us got.
Did clubs sign-up to a premier division in 2007 that would only be fractionally determined by on-the-pitch performace in 2006 ? Yes. And that's what all of us got.
There is a huge difference, spelt out clearly for you there in black and white. End of story.
End of story because you said so Steve? Derry profited from 2 (at best) iffy decisions from the league/FAI this year while others (Rovers, Bohs, Cork, Dundalk etc) suffered. So you backing them up doens't really come as a surprise.
if you want to go over how Derry's point deduction was different than Bohs or the "lets wipe the slate clean" Dublin City decision, go ahead but at least have the decency to acknowledge that fans of those clubs have a right to at least query the decisions
I thought when they signed up it was agreed that there would be no appeals?Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Correct, there is no recourse to appeal the IAG decision. Unless you're Dundalk, and you appeal in the only way you know how. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by endabob1
100% iNCORRECT in fact.
there is recourse to appeal the decision
Just because it says on here there will be doesn't mean there will be. From this end I'd be very surprised to see Waterford appeal this.Quote:
Originally Posted by endabob1
However, despite seeing it said somewhere officially that there would be no redress, I did also think I read somewhere else that the make up of the Divisions would not be made completely official for a few weeks after the announcement, presumably to leave time for any legal challenges. Did I imagine this? :confused:
It would be a different story if Dundalk had failed to get a Premier License or scored poorly on off-field factors but Licensing/IAG clearly thought that Dundalk were adequately prepared for top-division football next season. The results for the previous 4 seasons (including points awarded for progressing in the League Cup:rolleyes: ) are what stopped them getting an invitation.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
Unless Galway provide multi-storey toilet facilities this statement is FALSE. :DQuote:
The jax alone in Terryland would put EVERY other club to shame.
What was the alternative to signing up for this process.
Disband your club? Play in a breakaway league outside FAI/UEFA?
As a neutral I am much happier with Galway in the top flight than Dundalk but I have a bit of sympathy. But people should at least stop harping on about Dundalk signing up in advance.
A few of us have made this point already, but you'll just get ignored, apparantly no-one can give us an answer that doesn't involved personal insults :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vitruvian Man
Dundalk may be a shambles as you say- but they still outscored you in off the field matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
As previously pointed out just by 2 points which is embarrassing when you consider we have no home ground, previous David Brent owners made a mess of the license and our club nearly went to the wall last year. Still makes Dundalk a shambles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galway Harps
KOH
Not really. did well considerig they haven't had a premier license before. Certaily improving