You say it like its a bad thing peteQuote:
Originally Posted by pete
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You say it like its a bad thing peteQuote:
Originally Posted by pete
Yes, and there are agreed rates of pay for various trades. Just because a wage is above the minimum, doesn't mean it meets the agreed rate for a specific skill, which is what Labour were getting at. Labour and the Unions were successfully painted as racists by FF/PD and the right wing press when it was about maintaining standards for both Irish and non-Irish workers.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
I think you taking me up wrongly. Its often suggested that ist bad that people on the minimum wage when i just saying its a lot better then other countries. The US is only just over $5. I also approve of recent moves to take minimum wage earners out of the tax net. I think minimum wage should be just that 'a minimum' but no one should rely on that as a career wage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Problem is in a lot of jobs the minimum is becoming the maximum.
Example...?Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
Canteen staff in our place. The temp staff pre-outsourcing were on equivalent to permenant staff, now they're being employed on minimum wage if they'll take the work. Also widespread in cleaning and retail. At the moment it's mainly effecting temp staff who have little rights, however Irish Ferries and Doyle Concrete have actively displaced permenent staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Whats a fair wage for that work? I've no idea... Who decides?Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
You're misrepresenting there a bit Macy, Pat Rabbitt definately said that our friends from the new EU countries should have to apply for a work permit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
The minimum wage is only really acceptable for students and the like. There's no way you could raise a family on it.
Which was the case in every other EU country when it was expanded from 15Quote:
Originally Posted by Student Mullet
as a temporary measure that violates the EU constitution they tried to pass, and the existing rules - freedom of movement and all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
And why did he say that? So that the State could easily confirm they are getting paid the agreed rates!Quote:
Originally Posted by Student Mullet
That's a different question, I was just giving an example of the race to the bottom, where the minimum wage was now becoming the maximum.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
fair wage is decided by the market.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
I agree. If you trying to raise a family on the minimum wage you in the wrong job. Minimum wage could be starting wage until get promotion or find something better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Student Mullet
It think with the next increase someone on minimum wage would earn close to 20k a year which while not brilliant better than most countries.
Very simplistic view pete. What if its the only job you can get?
And your solution for that...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Then clearly either satisfied with the job or not trying hard enough. Maybe people don't have great education but work hard & are rewarded for that...
Ah Life Liberty and Fruit of the Loom, er... the Pursuit of Happyness.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Yep Pete, Life is just like that new Will Smith Movie. There are opportunities aplenty for everyone. With a bit of hard work anyone can be the next J.P. McManus. The streets of Dublin are paved with gold. We're all either Declanders or Hico's. :rolleyes:
Oh yeah and I'm the Utopian... :p
To continue this debate we'd need to return to the capitaism v communism thread...Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
So somebody on minumum wage is just "not trying hard enough"?
FFS Pete
I was following up on the comment that minimum wage for students & part-time work. I said someone who was unhappy with their salary & trying to make a career on a minimum wage should be looking for better job i.e. with more pay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
No country on the planet can set a minimum wage at level need to raise a family at. Typically maybe first job is at minimum wage & then move onto to better position...
But what if the only job they are EVER going to get pays minimum wage and more succintly whats your point Pete?Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Never mind all that - what about the toilets in Ryan's (Hogan Stand) beside Croke Park on matchdays? Jacks barely big enough to open the door because of the dude in the corner handing out kitchen roll. Demeaning to all concerned!