I heard on the sports news that the best Australia can expect from the 2nd test is a draw.
What has to happen, besides scoring exactly the same number of runs, in order for a test to be declared a draw?
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I heard on the sports news that the best Australia can expect from the 2nd test is a draw.
What has to happen, besides scoring exactly the same number of runs, in order for a test to be declared a draw?
If the five scheduled days conclude without either team bowling the other out twice, the match is declared a draw.
Incidentally, if both teams score exactly the same number of runs, the match is not drawn, but tied. This has only transpired twice in the history of Test cricket.
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Originally Posted by geysir
They dont have to score the same number of runs. That would be an amazing result (but has happened).
A draw usually happens when, at the end of the final day's play, a decisive result has not been achieved.
Usually the team batting will be behind in terms of runs scored, however not all their batsmen have been got "out". As they are behind in runs scored, they clearly didnt win, but as some batsmen still remain, they have not lost. Thus it is a draw.
Aussies beat England by 6 wickets. Australia have Shane Warne who can turn the ball over a foot. England have Ashley Giles who struggles to turn it an inch. England bowled out for 129 and Australia get the runs for the loss of only 4 wickets.
Joyce and Panesar for Giles and Anderson - that's what I'd do.
That would leave them with only 4 bowlers, a bit risky considering they are carrying Harmisson. Panesar will come in for sure not sure about Joyce though, I think Mahmood may bowl in place of Anderson, would love to see Joyce getting a game but I would be very surprised, Fletcher is a conservative by nature and that would be out of character.
Good old EnglandQuote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Never let you down
Snatching defeat from the gaping jaws of victory like that :D
The British Tabloids are gonna have field day tearing into this England team now :p
I woke up this morning & flicked on Sky News at 6.30 GMT & took me a while to realise i wasn't sleeping. An amazing defeat by England. 2-0 down with 3 to play & absolutely no chance of winning the Ashes now. I predicted 3-0 to the Aussies but can see 4 or 5 now.
Just goes to show, for all the nonsense in the English press, Shane Warne is still on a different planet to any of their spinners :)
We can judge it now alright :DQuote:
Originally Posted by d f x-
5 if you count Pietersen and gives them batting to 8 which is why Fletcher plays Giles. Australia do well with just 4 bowlers.Quote:
Originally Posted by endabob1
Harmison is bowling alright from what I've seen on the highlights of this test so far (obviously doesn't include last nights play), given that there was sod all in the pitch for him.
I'd agree that Pietersen offers the 5th option if you're looking for a batsman that can bowl, which all Giles is at this stage. Also offers variation that two left armers won't.
Australia have selected Andrew Symonds in place of Damien Martyn (who retired from cricket mid-series) for the third Test. I think this a dangerously hubristic act on behalf of the selectors. Symonds is a one-day specialist known for his destructive batting, but his Test average is a miserable 19.0. Seems to be part of a strategy to bludgeon England out of the series - Adam Gilchrist inferred over the weekend that Australia are now focusing on a 5-0 whitewash rather than merely winning the Ashes back. Their arrogance could be costly, as Clarke, Symonds, Gilchrist and, on current form, both Langer and Hayden are susceptible to hostile English bowling. I can easily see Australia struggling at 250-6 in their first innings and allowing England a toehold into the series.
To be honest, I just cant see that. I think England have lost the spirit needed to drag themselves back into the ashes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
Aussies all out for 244 after winning the toss and electing to bat, Panesar with 5 and Harmison with 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
England finished the day on 51-2.
England's biggest problem I feel this series is their big batsmen Cook, Strauss, Bell & Flintoff <im excluding Pietersen as he's playing well> aren't showing the form of previous series. Harmison looks rejuvenated, Panesar was an inspired decision and about time too, but a weak batting collapse could ruin the bowling attacks hard work, as it did in the previous test. Bell & Cook going out so early will not have helped. There is a lot more needed from Strauss & Flintoff, Collingwood and Pietersen cant keep England afloat by themselves in every test.
Cook hasn't been at all impressive in the Ashes series so far. Surely Joyce is worth a place, surely he can't be any worse.
Yeah Cook for all his potential has looked like a rabbit caught in the glare of the headlights. Needs a big knock soon.
Agree 100%, if either KP pr PC dont rack up a high score England are in a tight spot, that in itself is far too much pressure IMO, all the talk was about the bowling (or lack therof) in the first 2 tests with not alot of comment re : batting other than the 2nd innings collapse in the 2nd test which highlighted the for me that if KP & PC dont get an extended run at the wicket England will struggle!!Quote:
Originally Posted by thedoyler
Ed Joyce may be worth a look for the final 2 tests if the series is over & done with from an overall winners/losers perespective!
Koh
I may be slated for these comments as i've only been watching cricket since the last series in australia (02/03) but i really do think England have the measure of australia, and are the better team. Take these points which have contributed to england's downfall: (i).Key mistakes by out of form players (i.e. Giles dropping Ponting in the 2nd Test, the match turning event), (ii).the loss of key players to injury or stress (Vaughan, Trescothick & Simon Jones), (iii).Flintoff and Giles only coming back from long term injuries, (iv).the fact that Cook (as mentioned before) doesnt look like he's up to it at the moment against australia, and (v). the mad decisions of chosing Geraint Jones and Giles ahead of Read and Panesar. Despite all these negative factors England are still well in this and but for a collapse could have been level in the series and should only be 1 down. It is not beyond them to turn it around from here, i mean write warne & co off at your peril, and i know england have a habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, but i still think they can do it. And yes i think Ed Joyce deserves a shot. The openers need to be changed. In 5 innings so far i cant remember one of the openers going on to make a big score <i know strauss could and hopefully will> i could be wrong. Joyce is experienced and judging by the level of success being enjoyed by some of our local sports' stars i think ed can go on and make it a hat-trick of heroes by bringing the ashes home!
I've been going on about the poor batting not being focussed on compared to the fuss of the bowling...so there.* :p Flintoff, Strauss, Cook, Bell, Jones all have been poor throughout and have been giving the bowlers nothing to work with...Quote:
Originally Posted by DvB
*= I have also going on about Panesar not having much effect, so that balances it out:o
Didn't catch any of the action last night, but wasn't in the least surprised to wake to the realisation that I'd been right as usual. Aussies cut down by improved English bowling, Symonds hammers Panesar for 17 off one over and then top-edges one to Jones, Australia dismissed for a perilously low total.
I can't see England overhauling it by enough to put the game out of sight. The entire series hinges on how well England bat tomorrow. If Collingwood maintains his form and Flintoff finds his, Australia are in big trouble.
BTW, Joyce isn't going to be selected save to deputise for an injured player, or if the series is dead going into the final two Tests. Cook consistently outscored him on the England A tour which made his name last year, and is far more experienced at this level, despite the age discrepancy. Handing a player his Test debut (moreover, in one of the openers' slots) with the Ashes at stake would be an act of lunacy.
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BTW, Joyce isn't going to be selected save to deputise for an injured player, or if the series is dead going into the final two Tests. QUOTE]
Which is pretty much what i was suggesting if you read my post, if England lose this test its (the ashes) over & done with & may be a good time to say thanks & farewell to a couple of the top order batsmen & giving the likes of Joyce a chance. To be fair he couldnt be worse than Bell who IMO has been quite poor, any time i've seen Joyce he looked a decent enough Batsman & with a little more experience could develop further, put it this way if the ashes is lost Fletcher coud do worse than bring him in IMO!!
DFX, you may have been shouting your comments re Englands batting from the rooftops but i didnt hear so apologies for that, i've been saying the same since the start when discussing with pretty much anyone i know who likes cricket!! As for Monty, i was kind of expecting him to struggle after all the hype but credit where its due, his first innings performance was fantastic given the circumstances!!
Oh & yet again KP was the only decent performer in Englands first innings hitting 70, goes to show that if he starts to struggle England are doomed!
In-ger-land, In-ger-land, In-ger-land!!:)
Koh
Looks like there goes the 3rd Test down the swanny for England.
Unless they take a few quick wickets now its curtains.
Bowled out for 215 and Aussies now 91/1 with Hayden & Ponting settling in.
You mean you haven't been reading every single letter of my posts etc. in minute detail?:eek: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DvB
Once again England fail with the bat, though I think if Strauss hadn't been wrongly given out, it might have been different.
Again the first innings is not a true reflection of England's performance. Their 500 in Adelaide wasn't as good as was made out and now 244 all out wasn't as good as people thought. Far too quick to lavish praise on that side.Quote:
Originally Posted by d f x-
I only saw last minutes of this morning but they showed Gilchrists batting - 12 fours & 4 sixes included. :eek:
Not seen must of the Ashes but based on the shows England have not been at the races. I think England goal now should be avoid the 5-0 whitewash.Quote:
He also set a record for the most runs off a single six-ball Ashes over when he plundered 0-2-6-6-4-6 off spinner Monty Panesar.
England now in real trouble now 185/3 collingwood out for 5. Bell had made 84 in a partnership of 170 with cook who is 84 not out. Once more England need peitersen to make runs if they are toget anything out of this match.
There is no point England playing a mediocre 4th seamer when they should be playing a batsman instead. Mahmood bowls 10 or so overs in a score of 500+. What is the point? Use Pietersen as the stop gap bowler and play Joyce as the extra batsman. How they could have done with the extra batsman in the first and now the second innings.
England finally bowled out just after lunch for 350, lost the 3rd test by 206 runs. Its looking like a whitewash.
I really only look at the scores & looks like only 1 or 2 english players performing. I get the impression the bowlers not even good for double figure runs.
I doubt the Aussie will ease off not with whitewash in sight.
4-0. Only thing for England to latch on to: McGrath and Warne retiring at the end of the series.
Listening to Boycott and Agnew last night on the BBC coverage, they didn't spare the rod and rightly so.
Boycott saying Harmison should be in the best form of his career and all he looks interested in is going home to watch Newcastle Utd.
Also calling for Vaughans speedy return but bemoaning the fact he hasn't been playing in more practice matches.
The batting has been so poor that surely Joyce deserves a knock.
Boycott was asked what exactly England have to do to avoid a complete whitewash "Pray for rain, rain and more rain" :)
I believe rain is forecast all this week...Quote:
Originally Posted by razor
Interesting discussion on TMS last night about the lack of practice games and the amount of back to back tests. Basically saying that the cricketing side needs to reclaim it from the administrators/ TV. Saying Harmison only came good after 4 games, which could've been done in warm up games, and the fact that the squad players don't get a chance to tick over between tests, so you have Anderson coming in after playing bugger all over the last number of months.
In todays news, No collapse from England. :eek:
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Originally Posted by pete
...yet. Long tail to come.
I predict England to control the test only for Aussies to be saved by rain on last 2 days. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Only had to wait one more day for that familiar headline! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by pete
England collapse from 234-4 to 291 all out. Last six wickets go for 57 runs, of which Flintoff scored 47 of them. The other five batsmen contributed only 6 runs between them. :eek:
Well at the close of play England are 12 ahead with 5 wickets left. Time for the rain dance.
Realistically they have only 2 wickets left as the bowlers combined might get for 50 runs on a good day.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan