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Who is licking his arse?Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
People have either agreed with him or disagreed with him,thats it!!
Do you wear a jester hat? Do you think it's acceptable for people supporting Ireland to dress up as Leprechauns? Did you think it was funny when Ray Houghton done it?
read the whole damn thread and it includes many muppets and includes the following quotes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Raheny Red
'remind me never to travel abroad to see Ireland play'
'Cant we get a modern day Cromwell back to this country for a bit of a lepra-caust? I'd support England over Éire now anyway, out of spite.'
'The best fans in the world are English fans'
'and I mean NEVER AGAIN will I travel to an Ireland away game'
i'm sure i speak for many here when i say we're better off without ye!
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Originally Posted by galwayhoop
Brilliant :D
Lord Summerisle made out he was beaten up by Celtic supporters. If he was beaten up for being a Shels supporter then again, it was surely fellow EL fans that did it. There's no other reason I can see him being beaten up other than club rivalry. I don't see why these things are being brought up as a reason to slate Irish football fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raheny Red
The full quote is " The best fans in the world are English fans. They travel in great numbers supporting their country AND club, week in, week out"
And i won't travel to Landowne Road(a 10 minute walk from my house) to watch Ireland play,let alone abroad!
I take it you are a sel-thick fan Eirebhoy?
Can we move this thread to either the bin or the Eircom league area are it appears nothing to do with the International Team
It's all to do with the national team and the "fans"!Quote:
Originally Posted by cavan_fan
No it's not.
It's an attempt to gloat at our national teams performance.
It's an attempt to divide the world into real Irish fans and fake Irish fans.
There is surely an assumption on this baord that everyone wants to see Ireland succeed. We can disagree about how but if you start with the assumption that you are happy when they are beaten then dont use this forum?
I for one don't think that any of this negative/spiteful/patronising contingent will be missed at Ireland games. People have the right to go to games as they wish, I'm not saying it wouldn't raise a grin, but really does it matter?
The most pressing issue is the fact that we've tumbled so low and now can't even play with a bit of pride.
There seems to be a real lack of proper men playing ball these days, people say it might be a societal issue, but Shay Given aside I have very little respect for the battling qualities of our side!
Never have I less looked forward to going to an Ireland game in 20 years!
Maybe that is the case but I only brought that thread up as evidence that a Shels fans was hit with something as a previous poster felt LS was lying.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
The real pressing matter is why we've slumped so low internationally, and what can be done to remedy it for the positive, long-term development of the game in Ireland. Oh, I forgot! We shouldn't mention Irish football on an Ireland football forum.:confused:
Getting rid of Staunton is pure scapegoating and won't solve anything. If people care about football they need to start thinking about the good of the game rather than an excuse for a good day out.
Billy I agree with your last point but Look at my post earlier in the thread, I put forward ways that I feel with improve the game in Ireland but wishing to improve the game does not go hand in hand with dismissing people for enjoying an Ireland match. YOu can care about football and how it is run and also go on the last on match day and dress up as you like.
If you turn up in a leprechaun outfit you are not there to care about football. You are there as human waste.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
KOH
Neil: of course people can dress as they choose. Just as I have the right to cast aspersions when they dress like extras from Darby O'Gill & The Little People, or act like they took the wrong turn on their way to a Westlife concert and ended-up at a football match.
Are we allowed to cheer if we score? Or is that too much 'fun'?Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
Dont be so childish. You know exactly what I was referring to.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Didnt hear much cheering when your team scored last night.
KOH
I dont personally wear them, just my jersey and a scarf but I dont have a problem with people dressing up and adding colour to the occasion. It may be impossible for you to grasp the concept that someone can know and care about football and also enjoy themselves in a silly manner. People dont have to be serious and righteous and earnest 24/7.
I would like to add I do wear more than just a jersey and a scarf as that would be pretty cold and not a great sight for the ladies. But that is the only football paraphanalia (Spelling) that I wear.
As long as people cheer and don't bring prawn sandwiches you can wear what you want IMO. Green afro's, jester hats I couldn't give a monkey.
If you decide to wear a suit and talk all through the game about your portfolio and stock options without cheering the boys on then I'd rather these folk stayed at home or in the boardroom!!!
You did say human waste, which is a pretty serious statement, or, if it a joke, a pretty childish one.Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
And thanks for the sly dig referring to the Limerick game, very mature. Sadly as I live in Japan, I could only hear a faint echo of the roar.
Exactly. Assuming certain characteristics or limitations based on how somebody dresses is ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
You dont need to like it, but to say that it shows they are incapable of understanding a football game is ludicrous.
No joke pal. They are an embarrassment.
Japan? What's someone like you doing in such a nice country?!
KOH
Let's be honest here, this entire thread is based on a view that something a lot of people enjoy is less worthy than something few people enjoy.
You get the same in literature, film, tv, music etc etc etc
Because the national team attracts a wider section of the population than the league you will get a 'different' type of fan. These people do not have the same rules as the hardcore fan.
As for fans supporting English teams (I notice no-one ever criticises people for supporting Real Madrid) around the world people support more succesful teams. Are Maltese people supporting Man U not allowed support Malta??
The thing that p*sses me off about this is the fact that some of the people telling us how to be real fans are delighted that our national team was humiliated, not because it will improve the national team, or the league but because they find some of the other fans embarassing.
All you EL league supporters get off your high horses. Supporting an EL team does not make you more knowledgeable or passionate about football.
I play for and support my local junior team and also have an interest in the premiership. The majority of people on this site and at International matches are similar.
The rest of the world think that the craic, fun & colour brought to the Internationals by Ireland supporters is great so i'm not worried what a few EL supporters with a superiority complex think. Its all about creating an athmoshere and getting behind the team. Who cares if you are wearing a EL jersey or a green wig?? Do you think if we all wear EL league jerseys tomorrow night that we will get the right result?
yes. but only if the lads in the leprechaun outfits aren't there:D :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by papa-j
At least EL fans contribute to OUR domestic league, which if more so called Irish fans did, then maybe we would have BETTER players and not get thrashed by Cyprus
Ireland got beaten because some of the people at the games wear leprechaun costumes and dont go to el games?Quote:
Originally Posted by Soper
No, don't be stupid.My post is clear.
em read back on some of the posts and feel the billy love in goin on....the only comparable responses are when dahamsta posts and you get all that " good point adam" ****.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anto McC
I dont care what anyone else does says thinks or wears as long as it doesnt effect me. and wearing leprechaun suits has no bearing on my life whatsover. and that houghton thing you refer to. It didnt bother me at all cause "how we are perceived in England" doesnt hold much interest to me. And I have to say have been going to Ireland matches for a while now and have yet to see a leprechaun suit.
unfortunaltely the fact is that it is now vital that the game at home (ie the eL, underage set-ups, introduction of elite academy's etc) has to be radically overhauled, improved and implemented. we must now look after our own boat. for the last 30 years we could rely on the cream of the crop going over to england to ply their trade and therefore developing into world class performers. however in the last few years with the premiership ditching the amount of 'foreign' players and non-assimilated players allowed combined with less restrictions between the EU and freedom of movement leglislation etc. there are now multiple countries where youngsters are picked up from ... eastern europe, south america, africa and even asia. this in turn means that the closest fully professional league to us no longer relys on us, scotland, wales and indeed itslef for it's playing pool.
the upshot to this is we must now get ourselves into a position where we can develop players here and keep them here until such a time that they are able to go straight into premiership or championship teams and challenge for a first team place (example: kevin doyle) and not send them over as kids where they may be totally neglected or discarded after a couple of years (example: thousands!!).
i think what most eL fans are saying (including myself) is that more time and effort has to go into our own product so we can look out for our own future players and in turn our own international team. as long as this is done then no one will have a problem with anyone supporting a team from overseas in tandum.
the fact is that we can no longer rely on english (or scotish) teams developing our young players while we sit back and wait for them to be successiful 1st team players and then we select them for international duty.
the problem not only lies with the FAI, although they do shoulder a lot of responsibility, but on everyone who claims to be an irish soccer supporter! if all of our money keeps going to overseas multi-national brand names (so called football teams) and nothing stays at home how are the above changes ever going to happen.
My point is that you call fans who dont watch el games "so-called fans", therefore implying that if you dont support the el you cant be a real fan, or that Ireland fans who also support el teams are somehow 'better' or more 'worthy' fans. This I disagree with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soper
BTW nearly 4,000 supporters at Terryland to see GUFC and SRFC were a credit to their league and themselves. the atmosphere at LR will not come close to that in Terryland last Friday. FACT
But wouldnt the latter be sycophantic and the former just stupid?Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
Surely if you really cared about a team, then you would do what is in the teams best interests - suppoting our domestic league is, if we want to start developing good players again.
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Originally Posted by Soper
you're missing my point. Junior football players/supporters contribute just as much and its not your domestic league its ALL OF OURS.You might watch the games but we feed it with players.
EL will not give us better players as most players in the EL have been through the system and failed to make the grade( with a few exceptions) Supporting junior clubs and their schoolboy set ups will improve the standard.
You are missing the point yet again.If the EL had more money from fans actually supporting their own, then they'd have money to develop youth players, so then the League would be made up of quality youth players instead of 'failures'.
You might feed the EL with some players but we pay their wages.Quote:
Originally Posted by papa-j
Bottom line is people do not see the irony of spending thousands supporting their country around the world without contributing a farthing towards their own domestic league. Or worse the muppets who fly to england every week to cheer on a foreign club without spending a penny on their own league. And then have the cheek to slag off their own league. :rolleyes:
KOH
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Originally Posted by papa-j
oh ffs will you wake up
has derry/shels and corks consistent performances in europe not told you whats happening ??? - the grades have changed
What about someone who supports Ireland and supports the EL but does not support Juniour football and sometimes dresses up with a curly green wig and wears a jersey and sometimes gets ****ed and sings most of the time but not between the 40th and 42nd minute of a friendly V China.
Are they a good fan or where to they stand
the point is to support the domestic product from grassroots up - but physically and financially and this in turn will improve the quality and standards of both the leaguers and players.
think about this, espically everyone who doesn't follow/attend or support the eL:
if you put even a quarter of the annual amount of euro you put into your favourite premiership team (from jerseys, trips over, posters, hats, mugs, bedsheets....whatever) into your local eL team do you not think that the league and also the quality of players would improve?
has the EPL done enough to produce the next Paul McGraths, Roy Keanes, Ronnie Whelans or Packie Bonners in the last 10 years for us to continue to follow it blindly and just blame successive Irish managers for our falling proess on the international field, or do we need to start doing something about it ourselves?
I think you will find both are being sycophantic...Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Fair enough if you have invested a lot of time/energy and money in to something only to see the apathy and derision of so called Irish fans mean you are constantly flirting with extinction. Its understandable that a certain amount of resentment would build up. "you dont care if my club exists or not so why should I care if your team gets trounced by some euro no hopers". i get that. But this ole ole leprechaun suit crap is just pure simplistic elitist ****e and I dont buy it at all. and **** anyone who tries to guilt trip me by telling me otherwise.