Racism in Irish Football

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06/10/2006, 11:49 AM
Lim till i die

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Originally Posted by Billy Lord

Not more acceptable, but certainly less serious. Racism is obscene while throwing flares/bottles and invading pitches is merely stupid.

So just say for example Limerick are playing Galway.

The fella next to me starts making monkey noises at Wesley Charles

I merely throw a glass bottle at him

The monkeys noises guy is worse?? :eek:

(And indeed deserves to die) :rolleyes:

A dose of cop on is in order m'Lord :rolleyes:
06/10/2006, 11:53 AM
Schumi

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Originally Posted by Lim till i die

I merely throw a glass bottle at him

At the monkey noises guy or at Wes Charles?
06/10/2006, 12:54 PM
Lim till i die

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Originally Posted by Schumi

At the monkey noises guy or at Wes Charles?

Wes Charles (Sorry should have made that clearer, not that throwing a glass bottle at the monkey noises guy would be acceptable either)
06/10/2006, 1:05 PM
BohsPartisan

If he's a big enough idiot to be making monkey noises at Wes Charles then never mind the glas bottle, Charles should jump into the crowd and kung fu kick him Cantona style!
06/10/2006, 1:11 PM
Lim till i die

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

If he's a big enough idiot to be making monkey noises at Wes Charles then never mind the glas bottle, Charles should jump into the crowd and kung fu kick him Cantona style!

If Wes Charles wants to do that then fairplay Wes Charles. I just genuinely don't see how it's anyone elses job to tell said knuckle dragger what to think. It's almost facist to be anti-facist and therein lies the contradiction at the heart of lots of anti-racist type people :p
06/10/2006, 2:08 PM
BohsPartisan

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Originally Posted by Lim till i die

If Wes Charles wants to do that then fairplay Wes Charles. I just genuinely don't see how it's anyone elses job to tell said knuckle dragger what to think. It's almost facist to be anti-facist and therein lies the contradiction at the heart of lots of anti-racist type people :p

I'm no Facist. I never judge a person on their face :p

It is not fascist btw to shut a fascist up. Fascism is a very precicely defined ideology that entails a lot more than shutting someones face.
In any society their are rules attached to freedom of speech, I know there is a contradiction there but cest la vie. People shouldn't be allowed shout things about a player's (or anyones) race, religion, sexual orientation any more than they should be allowed shout things about dead relatives. People have the right to live without intimidation.
06/10/2006, 2:57 PM
Jaime

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Originally Posted by Lim till i die

Wes Charles (Sorry should have made that clearer, not that throwing a glass bottle at the monkey noises guy would be acceptable either)

Why would you want to throw a bottle at Wes Charles? What has he done? :confused:

****in Limerick scumbags...
06/10/2006, 4:56 PM
erinfootball

there had better not be any. We're Irish, racist doesn't fit into the description of Irish people.
06/10/2006, 4:58 PM
osarusan

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Originally Posted by Jaime

Why would you want to throw a bottle at Wes Charles? What has he done? :confused:

****in Limerick scumbags...

Did you even read the post?

He was saying it is UNACCEPTABLE.

Jesus.
06/10/2006, 5:36 PM
Dyl10

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Originally Posted by superfrank

I personally can't stand the abuse Derry City fans get, quite frequently, for being from the North.

Out of curiousity, can you stand Cork fans getting stick because they are from Cork?
07/10/2006, 8:43 AM
Raheny Red

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

Takes one to know one.;)

KOH

I know you are but what am I :rolleyes: :D
07/10/2006, 11:06 AM
jebus

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

Dont know why you come here at all. Yawn. If I say black (not a racist statement btw!) you say white. It's getting old. Go away.

KOH

Way to skirt around your opening statement yet again NY Hoop
07/10/2006, 2:29 PM
LeixlipRed

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Originally Posted by diamond

i hadn't seen racist abuse directed at a player in a long time in united park until some moron made monkey chants towards ndo in the last shels drogs game.(the same guy reckons he's the player we need to win the league btw) that was a rarity tho.
what isn't rare is the abuse directed towards other fans. there are two groups of lads that have come to drogs games this season for the first time. one is a group of turkish lads, the other are guys living in mosney. they both happen to stand near me and i have been disgusted by comments made to/about them in the last four/five home games. anything from callin them the mosnia possie, to questioning if they are paying in, askin if they are paying where are they gettin the money, asking them to move coz "i cant see and i've been comin here years. yiz are hardly local!" questionin why they have jerseys on when thyer not even from here. and one lad even complained that they looked stupid singing the chants coz they are obviously not even irish??!!!
the majority of these comments have been made by ould lads but there is no exvuse for racism and ignorance like this. so much for trying to attract crowds.
it is also worth mentioning that a lot of crap is said about women at games, usually by the same idiots. its not racism but its not pleasent

That's pretty disgusting stuff. We have a couple of Romanian, Chinese and Japanese people who come down to Tolka the odd time (could be more I don't know of of course). If I ever heard anyone racially abusing them I'd round on them fairly quick. A supporter is a supporter is a supporter. We should take them from anywhere. Except the little knackers of course :D
28/10/2006, 4:47 PM
Raheny Red

There were monkey chants directed at Rutherford last night after he was fouled in the second half. Although many people were mainly booing him you could hear the monkey chants coming through. :eek: :mad:
28/10/2006, 4:54 PM
sligoman

Heard one Cobh fan shouting a racist remark at one of our players last season and according to the Derry forum, some of their fans racially abused Harpal Singh and Darren Mansaram last week in the Brandywell.
28/10/2006, 5:27 PM
1 9 2 8

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Originally Posted by sligoman

Heard one Cobh fan shouting a racist remark at one of our players last season and according to the Derry forum, some of their fans racially abused Harpal Singh and Darren Mansaram last week in the Brandywell.

Derry were by far the most racist group of supporters I've every encountered in the LOI. I used to think they were alright but the abuse Harpal Singh and Darren Mansaram got from them made me change the way I think of them
28/10/2006, 6:12 PM
gustavo

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Originally Posted by erinfootball

there had better not be any. We're Irish, racist doesn't fit into the description of Irish people.

I presume you are being sarcastic?
28/10/2006, 6:46 PM
nzamcdza

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28/10/2006 6:27 PM
1 9 2 8 Quote:
Derry were by far the most racist group of supporters I've every encountered in the LOI. I used to think they were alright but the abuse Harpal Singh and Darren Mansaram got from them made me change the way I think of them

What!!??!

Where were you sitting and what did you hear?

I didnt hear one racist remark at that game although i was told about 2 people who were standing together at the other side of the ground making a few remarks. There definitly wasn't any racist songs or chants.

Could you tell us what you heard/saw instead of just labeling us racists with no further comment?
28/10/2006, 7:05 PM
DonalE

I've heard racism in the showgrounds,about 3 years ago. It was from an away fan (i think dublin city but not certain). He got an earfull from everyone around and soon shut up.
28/10/2006, 7:52 PM
1Davy

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Originally Posted by sligoman

Heard one Cobh fan shouting a racist remark at one of our players last season and according to the Derry forum, some of their fans racially abused Harpal Singh and Darren Mansaram last week in the Brandywell.

According to the Derry forum they did not do any such thing.

What happened was that one supporter overheard another supporter make a racist remark to another supporter.

He didn't shout any racist remark, he just made it to another person.

And was condemned unreservedly by others on the forum.

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Originally Posted by 1 9 2 8

Derry were by far the most racist group of supporters I've every encountered in the LOI. I used to think they were alright but the abuse Harpal Singh and Darren Mansaram got from them made me change the way I think of them

I'm quite amazed that you should say something like that, that has no truth at all, and is without foundation.

To clarify matters, did you hear these players getting abuse?

If so, what game was that?

If it was the last game we played you in the Braandywell, then if you heard them from your position of being sited way in a corner of the ground, then the whole of the Brandywell must of heard them.

Yet it's only on here we now hear of these things.

I can categorically state on here now you will hear NO racist chants from the Derry supporters on Sunday.
29/10/2006, 11:34 AM
1 9 2 8

Well our two player that were getting the abuse were raging after the game they said it was the worst they received
29/10/2006, 12:00 PM
Raheny Red

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Originally Posted by 1 9 2 8

Well our two player that were getting the abuse were raging after the game they said it was the worst they received

If the lads could hear, did the ref not? :confused:
29/10/2006, 12:19 PM
LukeO

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Originally Posted by osarusan

Did you even read the post?

He was saying it is UNACCEPTABLE.

Jesus.

He was clearly joking. :rolleyes:
29/10/2006, 5:25 PM
sligoman

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Originally Posted by 1Davy

I can categorically state on here now you will hear NO racist chants from the Derry supporters on Sunday.

I heard one Derry fan refer to Harpal Singh as "Sinbad" today.
29/10/2006, 8:20 PM
nzamcdza

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29/10/2006 12:34 PM
1 9 2 8 Well our two player that were getting the abuse were raging after the game they said it was the worst they received

Your a liar.

It's that simple.

I was at the match he didnt get any abuse whatsoever, nevermind racist abuse. We won 4-0, we stuffed youse and we had no need to give any of your players abuse.
29/10/2006, 9:08 PM
gustavo

Ah so its ok to give racist abuse just so long as you arent winning.
29/10/2006, 9:08 PM
sligoman

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Originally Posted by nzamcdza

I was at the match he didnt get any abuse whatsoever, nevermind racist abuse. We won 4-0, we stuffed youse and we had no need to give any of your players abuse.

So yer saying if ye were losing then ye would have need to racially abuse our players then?:confused:
29/10/2006, 10:38 PM
BohsFans

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Originally Posted by 1 9 2 8

Well our two player that were getting the abuse were raging after the game they said it was the worst they received

Did you report it to the FAI observer?

I hope Derry fans will sort this out ASAP.
30/10/2006, 1:20 AM
nzamcdza

who did they say it was the worse they had received to? could you give us a link to the source?

Or did they tell you personally? :rolleyes:

Every set of fans gives players abuse, but not racial abuse. There was no abuse handed out at the game, we won 4-0, i was there with the fans that were singing, and all the songs were about us and our own players.

Were you even at the match yourself? Your a liar, pure and simple.
30/10/2006, 12:52 PM
sligoman

nzamcdza, you seem to ingore my point when you say fans don't give racist abuse?

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Originally Posted by sligoman

I heard one Derry fan refer to Harpal Singh as "Sinbad" today.
30/10/2006, 12:56 PM
DmanDmythDledge

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Originally Posted by sligoman

I heard one Derry fan refer to Harpal Singh as "Sinbad" today.

What do you mean by "refer"? Was it shouted at him as abuse or did he say it to someone else in the crowd?
30/10/2006, 12:57 PM
sligoman

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Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

What do you mean by "refer"? Was it shouted at him as abuse or did he say it to someone else in the crowd?

WTF? Does it make a differece?:confused:
30/10/2006, 1:00 PM
DmanDmythDledge

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Originally Posted by sligoman

WTF? Does it make a differece?:confused:

Ye because if it wasn't said to Singh it wouldn't be abuse.
30/10/2006, 2:30 PM
nzamcdza

My point is this.

It was said that they recieved the worst racist abuse they ever had at the derry game. This implies chanting racist abuse en masse from the derry fans. This simply didnt happen.

I for one think that 1928 is lying and has as yet not been able to tell us when the players said this or to whom.

Now if there are a few thousand people gathered there will be some idiots in the crowd. I have no doubt a few out of the 2000 derry fans made racist remarks. I personally did not hear anyone but im sure it took place.

This will happen with any set of fans. I guarentee if Derry had an ethnic player a few out of the 4000 sligo fans would have made remarks.

Now there is a difference in making a remark to a fellow fan, shoiting abuse at a player, and the fans chanting racist abuse at a player. (which was implied by 1928)

No racist chanting happened at either game although im sure remakrs were made between fans. I didnt hear anyone shouting bt i obviously couldnt hear everyone so i cant say that this definitly did not happen.

I'd like to ask 1928 if this was the "worst abuse they have ever recieved" How come none of the derry fans heard it? How come no local or national press at the game reported it? Why did the FAI observer not hear it? Why did the match officials at the game not hear it? why did the sligo coaching staff not hear it?

No one heard it because it didnt happen and you are lying.
30/10/2006, 2:45 PM
Krstic

One comment I did hear at half-time was some guy called to Foy as he was warming up in front of us.

"Hi Foy is that Singhs' Bomb up your jumper or are you just a fat bastrad"
30/10/2006, 10:03 PM
Shedzer

on www.derrycitychat.com a Derry fan admits to hearing racial abuse coming from a few of there fans yesterday.... Probably towards Singh or Mansaram...
Its in the Forums section...
30/10/2006, 10:08 PM
The Stars

could you paste up some of the comments,its just you have to register to get onto it.
30/10/2006, 10:14 PM
Shedzer

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Originally Posted by The Stars

could you paste up some of the comments,its just you have to register to get onto it.

ya i wil

its this thread
http://www.derrycitychat.com/phpBB2/...pic.php?t=9137

il paste comments now
30/10/2006, 10:15 PM
The Stars

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Originally Posted by Shedzer

ya i wil
its this thread
http://www.derrycitychat.com/phpBB2/...pic.php?t=9137
il paste comments now

cheers....cant view that anyway
30/10/2006, 10:23 PM
Shedzer

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Hate to say it but there were a lot . . . . . all on our side that I saw

then

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What did you see?

then

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'fans' behind the net in the first half who spent the whole half abusing Sligo's keeper, black player and giving the fingers to the sligo fans....

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great post here

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I agree it is a mans game but when we play bigger clubs than Sligo (e.g. Gothenberg and PSG) we behave like schoolboys - chanting their names etc. Prehaps because of the reputation of certain elements of PSG - if we had of abused them, we would have probably had our heads kicked-in in Paris.

So yeah - we need to be consistent here - let's not get all big and mighty over people like Sligo, Longford, UCD etc - and in the next breathe be paying homage to bigger European teams.

When it comes to verbal abusing opposing players, fans etc because of there colour or creed, then I think we should be doing everything possible to cut this out - having stewards remove persons from the ground, people informing stewards of the fact, directors barring persons from "supporting" Derry - this form of primitive behaviour is not acceptable in any walk of life and should not be tolerated in the stands either.

Just remember what we would think if people did the same during the Jose Mokendi, Owen Da Gama, Nelson Da Silva, Harris Cheu, Alex Kristic days.......

Not acceptable keep biggots in Stormont not in the Brandywell !!!!!

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this is all DCFC fans speaking about racism......

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There's no other word for that kind of behaviour than SCUM!

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I understand that players playing "not as well" get a bit of stick - Paul Carlyle got it for years - but it is the racist abust that we need to kick out

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TBH i never heard any racist abuse yesterday, but at the shels match there were a few b*llbags giving NDO abuse when he was injured, the worst about they were from Donegal, they must've been students

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Detest the racial abuse stuff. Stamp it out

so the Derry fans are not in any shape or form a racist bunch, they arnt happy with the few that may silly and mindless comments....

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