I wouldn't be worried about any of the 4th seeds tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Printable View
I wouldn't be worried about any of the 4th seeds tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Horror group
Holland (They have the players to destroy us in a way in which I don't think Italy or France would.I think Italy are a better team though)
Spain
US
Belgium (They're truly ****e at the moment but they've some outstanding young lads coming through.They'll be much improved in a years time)
Macedonia (Can't see us winning in Skopje)
Montenegro (Far better than any of the other fifth and sixth seeds.I'd expect them to be fourth seeds in no time.They could do a Slovenia if given the right group)
bring on the israel , i say , and i hope we get a really tough group , its time we stood up and stopped hiding from teams. we need to start putting these teams to the sword at home and getting something on the road. and as for the swiss i hope we get in their group if we qualify for the euro champs , revenge would be sweet turfing them out of their own tournament.
Music to my earsQuote:
Originally Posted by RogerMilla
Hasn't done Scotland any harmQuote:
Originally Posted by RogerMilla
I agree that we play far better against teams when we've nothing to lose. We either qulaify or nearly qualify when we're in really difficult groups and we always have a ****e campaign in the easier groups.
Would love to get Isreal as second seeds, but I suppose we'll have to play alot of these teams in the play offs anyway so it won't make too much of a difference.
Israel would be the ebst 2nd seeds. Decent improving side but very beatable. Fantastic away trip too.
Couldn't agree more, I want an excuse to go back :DQuote:
Originally Posted by gspain
Any chance we could fall to 4th seeds if Slovakia and/or Wales over take us by the end of this Euro 2008 campaign?
No.
Wales are too far behind us. Slovakia might pass us out, but we should still end up third seeds. Three points from the last three games should confirm it.
Wales and Cyprus are level with Slovakia and each have a game in hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Where can I find a list of the current seedings?
This should be about right.
Need three more points from the last three games to be assured of finishing ahead of Austria. Don't think anyone further below will jump past us at this stage, so third seed looks about assured at this stage.Code:Team Played Points Played Points Avg Points
1 A Germany 8 22 2.750
2 A Holland 12 32 8 20 2.600
3 A Croatia 10 24 9 23 2.474
4 A Sweden 10 24 8 19 2.389
5 A England 10 25 9 20 2.368
6 A Italy 10 23 9 20 2.263
7 A Romania 12 25 8 20 2.250
8 A Czech 12 27 9 20 2.238
9 A Poland 10 24 11 21 2.143
10 B Portugl 12 30 10 17 2.136
11 B France 10 20 9 19 2.053
11 B Spain 10 20 9 19 2.053
13 B Greece 12 21 8 19 2.000
13 B Turkey 12 23 8 17 2.000
15 B Russia 12 23 9 18 1.952
16 B Serbia 10 22 10 16 1.900
16 B Ukraine 12 25 8 13 1.900
18 B Israel 10 18 9 17 1.842
18 C Norway 10 18 9 17 1.842
20 C Denmark 12 22 8 14 1.800
20 C Switz. 10 18 1.800
22 C Scotlnd 10 13 9 21 1.789
23 C Bulgar. 10 15 9 18 1.737
24 C Ireland 10 17 9 14 1.632
25 C Slovak. 12 23 9 10 1.571
26 C Bosnia 10 16 9 13 1.526
27 C Finland 12 16 11 19 1.522
28 D Austria 10 15 1.500
29 D N.Irel 10 9 9 16 1.316
30 D Hungary 10 14 9 9 1.211
31 D Sloven. 10 12 9 10 1.158
32 D Belgium 10 12 10 11 1.150
33 D Albania 12 13 8 9 1.100
34 D Lithua. 10 10 9 10 1.053
35 D Latvia 12 15 8 6 1.050
36 D Wales 10 8 8 10 1.000
37 E Estonia 12 17 10 4 0.955
38 E Belarus 10 10 9 7 0.895
39 E Georgia 12 10 9 7 0.810
39 E Maced. 12 9 9 8 0.810
41 E Cyprus 10 4 8 10 0.778
42 E Armenia 12 7 10 8 0.682
43 E Iceland 10 4 9 8 0.632
44 E Liecht. 12 8 9 4 0.571
45 E Moldova 10 5 9 5 0.526
46 F Malta 10 3 8 5 0.444
47 F Azerb. 10 3 10 5 0.400
48 F Kazakh. 12 1 10 7 0.364
49 F Andorra 12 5 9 0 0.238
50 F Faroes 10 1 9 0 0.053
51 F Luxem. 12 0 9 0 -
51 F Monten. 0 0 0 0 -
51 F San M. 10 0 9 0 -
A nice group would be
Czech's
Greece
Wales or latvia
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
That last pot has some horror away trips, and i expect montengro to be a decent side so hopefully we can avoid them
give me sweden , israel , austria , liechtenstein , malta ,
could we be that lucky ?
dotn give me holland , spain , norn iron , georgia , kazakstan
I'd rather the Czechs again as top seeds based on current form. And their best players will be past their peak in a couple of years time too.
As long as we avoid France and Spain from the second pot I'm not too bothered. They're all pretty decent sides but we could beat them on our day.
Hopefully Northern Ireland finish the group strongly as I'd love them as third seeds.
We are just about fourth seeds right now and 7 points from our next 3 matches should see us home there. If the unthinkable happens and we go down to pot 5, I'd take Austria from the fourth pot.
If we're 4th seeds, then Liechtenstein would be good from pot 5.
From pot 6 I'll be praying we avoid Borat's men and Montenegro, maybe Azerbaijan too. Anyone else is an excellent chance to get 6 points against.
The Czech u20 team got to the final of the World under 20 world cup where they played very well against a typically brilliant Argie side. Alot of those lads will be blooded in the next year or two and they'll have a top side again by the next world cup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cymro
Fully agree about avoiding Kazakhstan, Armenia, Azerbijan and Montenegro. Absolute nightmare they would all be.
Would hate to get Wales again as fifth seeds. You have an intelligent manager and some excellent prospects like Bale and Gunter. I think your team will come on alot in the next 2-3 years.
Just checking if I have this right - Delaney is claiming that moving from fourth seeds to third seeds under Staunton represents progress.
This sounds better than it is if the media don't point out that there will now be nine groups instead of seven.
The latest rankings have us in 24th place.Quote:
We were seeded 25th of 52 country for the current Euro qualifiers. We started the current seedings in 22nd place (ie. We had the 22nd best points/game ratio from the last campaign only).
The FAI spin is also making a big deal about being currently placed third, 6 points off qualification and out of contention 3 games early vs. finishing fourth, 3 points off the group winners but being in contention on the final day. Although they are putting themselves out on a limb by even saying this, given that we are closer to 6th than 2nd place right now. Possible exit clause for them, if Staunton fails to exceed our seeded position of fourth:confused:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...name_page.html
This seems to suggest that Fifa rankings may influence the seeding for the next world cup. Either way, I guess we'll know by today or tomorrow where we stand.
Guys what is the story with the seedings now ? where will we be in the WC qualifiers ? do we need to beat wales or are we safely in whatever particular pot ??
Even after last nights shambles, we are still in Pot C for the World Cup draw.
I believe we will finish third in the group with at leaset a point from cardiff, which is all we can hope for. That's as good as we are:o
It's all to do with the FIFA rankings now so we'll have to wait and see.
The FIFA rankings computer is blowing a fuse as we speak.
Ireland is as good as Germany.
Ireland is as bad as Cyprus.
Irreconcilable circular argument.
Bang, loud explosion.
Sepp steps in and says it's better for Ireland to be a 3rd seed anyway and so that's what happens.
so pot C it is , has anyone got the rankings or worked out the system ?
ok looks like we wont know until just before the draw
seedings
If somebody knows then can you please post the rankings points. Frankly it is still speculation at this stage. The rankings are very volatile now as they are based on just 4 years and all our previous October results get a reduced weighting.
It is not known yet whether November's results will be even included. The current rankings in place at the time of the draw will not include November's results but there may be a decision to calculate again based on these.
It is still likely we'll be 3rd seeds.
Under the old system we'd still need a point from wales to be guaranteed 3td seeds and would most likely have missed out on a defeat.
Note we have also moved down the European rankings from this campaign. we have only moved up the seedings because there are 9 group for WC2010 and 7 for Euro2008
If we beat Wales we might finish 3rd. MIGHT being the magic word! Slovakia have 2 games left one of them against San Marino and the other against the Czechs, normally I would say that they would only get 3pts out of this but, with their Czech cousins already qualified they could win! especially if the Czechs put out a reserve team. Slovakia have far superior GD to us so even with 3pts against Wales we might miss out on 3rd spot. Even worse, Cyprus could also overtake us if by chance they were to take full pts from their last 2 games agaist the two qualified teams!!! Failure by us to win in Wales and 1 win from either one of their matches would see us finish 5th behind both of the above or worse again if we got stuffed 4-0 by Wales, we'd be 6th. That my friends is the costly legacy of last nights shambles and even though it's a worst case scenario it is a distinct possibility. Would Delaney still call that progress?
If we tied with Slovakia wouldn't we be ahead having got 4 pts from them?
Goal difference does not make a difference as we beat them and drew with them so our head to head is better.
A 2 goal win for Wales would put them ahead of us on the head to head.Quote:
Originally Posted by WembleyGreen
our final position does not affect our seeding. Our world ranking does.
1 Italy 1488 2 58
2 Argentina 1451 0 -40
3 Brazil 1444 -2 -64
4 Germany 1330 1 -7
5 Netherlands 1246 2 35
6 France 1220 -2 -160
7 Spain 1178 1 13
8 Portugal 1169 2 12
9 England 1165 3 74
10 Croatia 1151 -4 -72
11 Czech Republic 1082 -2 -76
12 Romania 1037 1 -53
13 Mexico 1026 -2 -73
14 Scotland 1025 9 112
15 Greece 940 -1 -94
16 Poland 926 4 -15
17 Ukraine 900 -2 -102
18 USA 897 -1 -88
19 Uruguay 889 2 -34
20 Sweden 888 -1 -62
21 Turkey 883 1 -32
22 Serbia 877 -4 -88
23 Nigeria 867 3 -37
24 Colombia 862 7 19
25 Cameroon 856 -9 -145
26 Russia 851 -2 -58
27 Côte d'Ivoire 806 1 -57
28 Denmark 794 2 -56
29 Norway 763 6 -5
30 Guinea 752 12 49
31 Paraguay 750 0 -93
32 Republic of Ireland 733 5 -4
33 Israel 732 0 -80
34 Japan 731 7 7
35 Bulgaria 727 -6 -129
36 Northern Ireland 707 -9 -179
37 Tunisia 692 -1 -47
38 Morocco 688 -4 -103
39 Bosnia-Herzegovina 686 -14 -219
40 Iran 685 4 -7
40 Senegal 685 6 26
42 Switzerland 683 3 15
43 Egypt 679 -3 -47
44 Finland 678 -6 -54
45 Ghana 671 -2 -22
46 Slovakia 663 -7 -65
47 Chile 624 0 -28
48 Australia 620 1 -7
49 Mali 613 -1 -21
50 Korea Republic
51 Saudi Arabia 579 0 -1
52 Peru 563 2 11
53 Wales 551 21 123
54 Canada 547 -1 -18
55 Hungary 544 10 80
56 Costa Rica 534 -4 -39
57 Ecuador 527 -2 -18
58 Venezuela 521 -2 -19
59 Honduras 516 -2 -1
60 Belgium 509 9 71
61 Zambia 504 1 24
62 Uzbekistan 491 -4 -17
63 Togo 483 -3 -19
64 Trinidad and Tobago 477 -1 2
65 Iraq 475 -1 1
66 Panama 470 5 35
67 FYR Macedonia 455 0 -1
68 Cyprus 452 14 57
69 Angola 446 -10 -61
70 Belarus 445 -1 7
71 Cuba 442 20 77
72 Equatorial Guinea 440 33 125
73 South Africa 437 -12 -51
74 Mozambique 432 12 56
75 Slovenia 429 19 72
76 Cape Verde Islands 426 -4 -8
77 Congo DR 421 -2 -2
78 Albania 420 -12 -42
79 Oman 416 -3 -2
80 Iceland 414 37 165
81 Moldova 413 25 121
82 Benin 410 -3 10
83 Haiti 407 5 36
84 Lithuania 398 -6 -3
85 Austria 395 -1 12
85 Algeria 395 -12 -38
87 Armenia 393 -6 -3
88 Guatemala 387 -8 -10
89 China PR 383 -4 5
90 Bolivia 376 -22 -72
91 Qatar 374 -8 -15
92 Libya 373 -5 1
93 Zimbabwe 369 8 42
94 Latvia 364 16 90
95 Botswana 363 1 16
96 Jamaica 361 -1 11
97 St. Vincent and the Grenadines 358 7 42
98 Bahrain 354 -6 -8
99 Jordan 348 0 11
100 Uganda
Right to be third seeds, we'll have to be in the top 27 in Europe according to the FIFA rankings (this is from September I believe:don't know if it was before the double header). According to this, we're 18th of the Eurpean teams at the time this was calculated. We're probably down somewhat but we'll almost certainly be a third seed.
the pity is that we could have made second seeds quite easily as it is based solely on the fifa rankings.
Apologies guys I forgot the head to head. Duh!
that really is a pity as it could make a massive differenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Bungle
Are we not 21st according to that list?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bungle
21st by my calculation too
yeah we're 21st a:olright!!!
21st in Europe.... no wonder we didn't qualify ......
now that the euros have expanded to 16 teams we should be qualifying every time. the world cup has less places so certainly much trickier. barring the appointment of jose maurinho or someone of his ilk we can forget about a trip to africa to support our team.