Also, Stephen Kelly was cack on his debut and is a defensive liability.
Is Joey O'Brien injured?
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Also, Stephen Kelly was cack on his debut and is a defensive liability.
Is Joey O'Brien injured?
Slight mistake there, you've mistaken Jason Byrne for a professional footballer, not the publicity stunt pawn that he actually is. He can have all the hands in the world, there will not be a next chance. Though thats slightly misleading, the word next implies there was a chance in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
the squad is a shambles, 2 1/2 centre halves, 3 right backs and a 16 year old that wont feature at any level for us for a hell of a long time.
what is the point of having anyone in that squad if they arent in the frame to feature v germany?
and then you look at who he left at home and why.
farce. but what did we really expect.
Dixon is very good lads, he'll be a great player within the next year or so.
I've no problems with Stan picking him against the Dutch, the kid should be involved asap - he is our future.
So you should leave 3 current and one ex-EPL (Murphy never really played that often) strikers off for him?Quote:
Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo
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Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo
so put him in the u18's and u21's until he is ready for it.
how many kids have been the 'future' in the last 10 years?
lads i dont think you get it. Alan O' Brien has a very good 'adviser'! Pat Devlin his name is, just so happens Devlin sorted Stan out a bit through his career and now Devlin is 'B' Team manager.... The FAIreland is one big corrupt circle of clowns
Byrne out Lee in is not a surprise, I said so on this forum a couple of weeks ago. Stan has said that Lee fills a specific function; target man who is all elbows and awkwardness, the type of player that defenders hate.
There are some very odd selections however, Alan O'Brien isn't going to make it at the top level, twelve months from now nobody will remember him, you can quote me on that :) What is wrong with Alan Quinn as an option on the left or Michael Doyle?
Paddy McCarthy though he has some shortcomings had to be in this squad for experience, I'm baffled. :eek: Unless Stan just doesn't rate McCarthy? He was chasing Cahill, who would be in the squad if he opted for us??
Tonight I know I'll have nightmares of Kilbane playing center back. Stan has me worried.
Imagine a back 4 of Kelly O'Shea Kilbane and Harte. :D
Perhaps the same with Dixon?Quote:
Originally Posted by ilovejam
that'll be great for joey o'brien's confidence... talking stephen carr out of retirement so you can pick him ahead of joey. christ.
If hes so good why hasnt he played reserve yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo
Id have no problem with him being brought along as a non playing member of the squad
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Originally Posted by tricky_colour
Forcing 2 corners is now good enough to earn you a call up :eek:
According to the Independent, Joey O'Brien and Andy Reid are both injured. O'Brien is also a doubt to make the Germany game.
kilbane is a decent footballer with huge experience , he has to be tried out again at centre half and at left full , this is surely what stan will do against the dutch. dixon seems to be a bit of a walcott-esque selection, if he gets a run though then it is the definite excercise of an option during a friendly game , jayo can still force his way back in to the german squad. O'brien must be injured or it is very negligent by stan , lets face it we know very little about his managerial style , he will get the benefit of my doubt until xmas . some right kneejerk reactions on here
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Originally Posted by RogerMilla
Kilbane at centre half?????? Is this what we're reduced to??!! At left-back he could do a job for us fair enough but to put him in one of the most important positions in the team at which he has no experience AT ALL is just pure madness!!! Dont get me wrong I've always been a fan of the fellah but thats just crazy talk!
As someone mentioned earlier, where's the ginger pele? Thought he was playing well regularly at CB for Norwich and has a fair bit of international experience....surely he's an option?
Dr. I was never a kilbane fan but would deffo prefer him to the Doc.. Even at centre forward!!
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Originally Posted by RogerMilla
The thing is, I don't rate the doc as a centre forward, never have . But I do believe that, considering the dearth of centre-halves coming through at the moment Gary Doherty is the only Irish centre half around (apart from O'Brien and Dunne) playing regularly for his club AND with senior international experience.
But sure Kilbane's tall sure why not give him a shot there! Actually I see now why Lee's in the squad, he's a big lad so he must be there as CB cover as well....Its all starting to make sense now!
starting to panic !! in fairness i never really felt safe watching andy o'brien play centre half for ireland , we should just put o'shea and dunne there and be done with it.
I'm not a regualr poster on this forum but I found it interesting to read the views expressed on this thread.
Some outraged, some disappointed, some seemingly angry (?) and quite a few non-plussed by Stan's squad.
Isn't this always the case though.
He isn't in the job to pick a team that will suit everyone.
I'm sure he has reasons for leaving out Byrne for instance or picking Dixon but every manager of every club/national side cannot please everyone.
Indeed they shouldn't even be trying to please everyone.
Personally the most concerning thing about this squad is the central defence positions because if we have injuries there we are in serious trouble. In fact I'm working up a cold sweat just thinking about the alternatives :eek:
Breen exits stage as O'Brien enters
Emmet Malone Soccer correspondent
As 21-year-old Alan O'Brien came from almost nowhere to claim a place in Steve Staunton's squad for next week's friendly international against the Netherlands in Dublin, Gary Breen quietly drew the curtain on 10 years of international football yesterday when the Ireland manager passed on the news that the 32-year-old had decided to retire.
Breen had made his debut for the Republic in the summer of 1996 and in the intervening decade won 63 caps, scoring seven goals.
His best performances came during the 2002 World Cup qualification campaign and at the tournament itself, but he rarely figured under Brian Kerr, and Staunton admitted yesterday his decision to depart the scene was far from unexpected.
"He'd been thinking long and hard about it, but said he'd be happy enough to come in for the first few games after I took over.
"He'll be missed, but it's something really that I knew to expect when I came in and there are a few other options there."
As the Wolves defender called it a day, the return of Steve Carr was confirmed, with the 29-year-old Newcastle defender included in the panel for next week's game after, having talked with Bobby Robson, he reversed his decision to retire.
"It didn't take too much work really because Bobby had signed him for Newcastle and he had that bit of an in with him," said Staunton.
Added to the St James' Park contingent in the squad, meanwhile, is young winger Alan O'Brien, who has featured in fewer than a dozen first-team games since moving to England from St Joseph's Boys in Dún Laoghaire - most of those coming during a loan spell at Carlisle United at the start of last season.
Staunton put his inclusion down to positive feedback from the other Irish players at the club and a report from Ireland B manager Pat Devlin, who has seen him play on a number of occasions during Newcastle's pre-season.
Devlin, in fact, was instrumental in the player's move from Ireland to the northeast of England, as he has been in quite a number of such transfers, but Staunton said that the former Bray Wanderers boss was no longer involved in advising the midfielder and that the decision to include him in the squad had been entirely his own.
"The lad is not in purely on the say so of Pat, he's in on merit," said Staunton. "There's no conflict of interest here, Pat's still involved with Duffer - he wanted to stick with him because he had him all the way through - but he's taken a back seat on the rest of it (advising players) since he took this job.
"O'Brien," Staunton observed, "has frightening pace" and should, he hopes, make considerable progress over the coming months.
Terry Dixon, meanwhile, retains his place on the basis of his performance while with the squad at the warm-weather training camp in May when he persuaded the Ireland manager that he is "above any 16-year-old in Ireland or England".
Of those more likely to contribute to the team's fortunes in the short term, Andy Reid misses out on this occasion with an ankle injury, while Bolton's Joey O'Brien is still working on regaining his fitness.
Staunton said he was not aware of Reid's prognosis at this stage, but said he was hopeful the Tottenham winger would be available for the trip to Stuttgart where Ireland will play their first European Championship qualifier at the start of September.
Omitted for other reasons are Gary Doherty, Mark Kennedy and David Connolly. Leicester City captain Paddy McCarthy has also been passed over on this occasion with Staunton observing that he is not quite ready to make the step up to international football quite yet. "We'll be watching how he does for his club over the coming season," he says.
Sunderland striker Daryl Murphy, he said, is another player who may be included in the near future, but Jason Byrne appears to have slipped back in the pecking order again despite his outstanding form for Shelbourne.
Most of those on the periphery of the squad, Staunton said, will get a chance to impress in B internationals being organised for the autumn.
Details will be confirmed in the coming weeks, but it has been reported Ireland may send a team to an invitation tournament in Portugal.
"When we get the B international going, which should be in the next couple of months, we'll have a proper look at all the players."
Staunton said he would be selecting the squad for those games after which "I'll leave Pat to get on with it"
if we need cover for centreback then we should be calling up centrebacks, preferably ones for the future. after 7 years of kilbane we know what he can't do.
leicester captain paddy mccarthy or paul mcshane might be worth a call-up
I wouldn't have any problem with the Doc being in the squad as a centre half only. He's a lot better there than he was up front but perhaps that's the previous managers fault. He wouldn't be in my 11 but I'd have no qualms about having him on the bench in situations like this where we are a bit thim on the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba
Does anyone find this extremly worrying ?? Firstly he says his inclusion is due to feedback from Devlin and other players but then he tries to say it's not because of Devlin and he's there on merit??Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
What fcukin merit?? Forcing 2 corners in a pre-season friendly!!
Proof for me that Stan is not being his own man and is picking players he hasn't even seen on the recommendation of others and that's a recipe for disaster.
Sort yourself out Stan for fcuk sake and show a bit of leadership. Do the job you are paid to do.
Stan won'tgamble oncard-happyLeicesterskipper tosolve crisis
THE wretched disciplinary record of Leicester City skipper Paddy McCarthy is forcing Irish manager Steve Staunton to plan his Euro 2008 campaign without proper cover for centre-backs Richard Dunne and Andy O'Brien.
Staunton reckons it is less of a risk to gamble on the fitness and form of his first-choice centre backs and use John O'Shea, Ian Harte or even Kevin Kilbane as back-up rather than take a punt on a ready-made replacement.
Not even the announcement that defensive stalwart Gary Breen has, at 32, decided to retire from international football could force Staunton into an 11th hour conversion when it came to considering the claims of Dubliner McCarthy.
The 23-year-old centre-half's no-nonsense approach to defending may have made him a cult hero among the Leicester City fans but it hasn't endeared him to Staunton - yet.
From the moment he earned a straight red card on his league debut for Boston United on November 23, 2002, McCarthy has been collecting yellow and red cards with the enthusiasm of an avid stamp collector.
His spell at Boston, where he was on loan from Manchester City, saw him also earn a yellow card in his next game and a 12-game stint at Notts County later that season produced six yellow cards in just 12 appearances.
McCarthy moved to Leicester City in March 2005 and in 13 games between then and the end of the season he picked up six bookings. Last season he earned 12 yellows and two red cards in 44 games and he kicked off the start of the Championship season last Saturday with a booking against Luton Town.
His 76 first team appearances at club level have produced 22 yellow cards and three reds - an average of one card every three games.
McCarthy's international record is far from impressive either. In the qualifying campaign for the 2006 European U21 Championship McCarthy picked up three yellow cards in four games and missed the away game against Israel because of suspension.
It's a record not even a desperate Staunton is prepared to gamble on as he explained yesterday when he excluded McCarthy from the 24-man squad for next week's friendly international against Holland.
"Well that's part of it. You have to look at them sort of things. As we know from the World Cup, there are plenty of players out there that can manipulate the system," said Staunton.
"I think it might be a bit too much for him at the moment. We'll see how he goes with Leicester this year." While Staunton is not prepared to risk Ireland's Euro 2008 chances on a player he reckons would be cannon fodder for strikers well practised in the in-noble art of simulation he did indicate that he hasn't completely closed the door on McCarthy, Manchester United's Paul McShane and Blackburn Rovers' John Fitzgerald.
"When we get the B internationals going, we'll have a proper look at certain players but it is too much to ask to throw a younger member in at centre-half.
"When it's the last line of defence, it's important to have experienced players there."
While nobody will dispute that Richard Dunne and Andy O'Brien are the obvious first choice centre back combination at this moment, Staunton will hope that O'Brien doesn't find himself languishing in the reserves at Portsmouth after being pushed down the pecking order by the arrival of Sol Campbell from Arsenal.
Headache
O'Brien may find another club between now and the end of the transfer window to solve that problem but his predicament clearly outlines the massive defensive headache that is looming for Staunton especially after his options were further reduced this week following the retirement of Breen from international football.
Manchester United's versatile John O'Shea is the obvious back-up choice but Staunton, and Bobby Robson, have made no secret of their desire to pair the Waterfordman and Steven Reid in the centre of midfield.
Being forced to deploy O'Shea at centre back would break-up the midfield pairing and the danger of making too many switches was one of the harsh lessons that Brian Kerr learned during the World Cup campaign.
However, Graham Kavanagh, Liam Miller, Stephen Ireland and Kevin Kilbane do offer ready-made replacements in the centre of midfield and Kilbane is also a possible centre-back option having finished there in last May's friendly against Chile.
Kilbane can also play left-back and that could open the door for Ian Harte to be considered once again as a centre-half, eight years after he last started in that position.
Harte at centre-back, while playing at left back for Leeds United, was a feature of Mick McCarthy's first two years in charge of Ireland but his future also hangs in the balance.
He is keen to move back to Britain and believes he has an agreement with the Levante president that the club won't stand in his way if an offer comes in after helping them achieve promotion back to La Liga.
However, Levante are now keen to hold on to Harte and offer him a new deal so his reign in Spain may not been over yet.
The centre back situation is the type that would cause most managers sleepless nights but if it's affecting Staunton he is clearly not showing it.
"It was always going to be the case at centre back because we can't buy anyone," he stated. But he'll probably have his fingers crossed all the same.
Gerry McDermott
good man Neil, those are some interesting comments from Staunton and if we weren't so desperate for CB backup I'd have to agree with him. We can't afford to risk a player in a major qualifying campaign who is so prone to bookings/sendings off...its just that I shudder to think of Kilbane at centre half though! :cool:
yup dr. you're right about centre half position but at left full kilbane can deffo do the work. left footed for a start!!
Kilbane played at left full at the start of his career before moving into midfield.
Just on the comments about Alan O'Brien's speed, I read before that he was the fastest player at Newcastle last season, considering they had Owen and Solano, that's some achievement
Well Des don't be shy, dont leave it too long 'til you come back again, you make a lot of sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Desyf
It's obvious now that we are vulnerable at the back. I thought this long ago that this is our weakest are in terms of reserves and now with Gary Breen snr.& Kenny retired there's is feck all quality in reserve. Stan has decided against McCarthy now. It wouldn't have done any harm to bring him along and teach him a few tricks, like how to clatter opponents and get away with it.
Stan's comments don't make any sense. And I'm sick of listening to sh!te with regards to the national team. He's made subtle references to Killer and trying to mould him into a centre half, yet he won't take McCarthy and try and mould him into a defender who picks up less cards.
And as for Alan O'Brien, give me a break. So far the reasons for his call-up are :
A) he's fast.
b) he wins corners.
Point b is void because we don't seem capable of scoring from set pieces in a long time.
It would seem to me that he has a fair idea of what he wants his first XI to be and after that nothing matters.
Interesting. Staunton said Devlin went to see O'Brien in one of Newcastle's pre-season friendlies so I think you may be right. Ridiculous if true.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilovejam
The reason Dixon didn't play for the reserves last season is because if a 15 year old takes the place of a 21 year old in a reserve team you might aswell write the 21 year old off. Lee Barnard is actually 22 and is now considered a first team player after getting top scorer for the reserves last season. No matter how good the 15 year old is, it doesn't mean he's not good enough for the reserves if he doesn't play for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by joema
Anyway, Dixon is now a reserve player and has scored 4 goals in his 3 games so far.
ps I'm not backing up his inclusion in the squad, just explaining why he wasn't a reserve last season as that seems to be what everyone is saying. He hasn't played a 1st team game, leave it at that. :)
On McCarthy - I find it strange that Stan said he would have called him up for the Chile match if he wasn't injured.
Does anyone else find it strange that Stan feels that Paddy McCarthy, a 23 year old captaining a Championship side is not considered 'ready' to be included in the squad yet Terry Dixon, a 16 year old who has only just made his reserve debut, is included?! :confused:
the nature of the centre half position means experience is vital, you can only learn from mistakes, and at top level those can be very expensive, Staunton as a c.h. himself will have this ingrained in him also. thats my take on it anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Vito
Yeah but the place to learn is in friendlies. he's not going to get the experience elsewhere. If we get injuries to Dunne and Andy O'Brien, McCarthy will HAVE to be in the squad so why not pick him for a meaningless friendly
Not true he could draft young Tommy Smith into the team. The 13 year old CB from Fulham, born in Peckham but who qualifies for us because he owns an Irish wolfhound.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
i just think he needs to demonstrate more improvement at club level first, particularly in relation to freekicks conceded and bookings. he has improved a lot but theres still plenty room for more, at present the mistakes he is making would be cruelly exposed at international level and that may do him more harm than good, as he does seem to beat himself up after an error, it hits his confidence visibly at tmes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
i think an injury would see Doherty come in ahead of him at this stage.
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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
Yeah its as clear as that, the centre half position is not a place for taking risks whereas the striker position you can turn into a world beater like Rooney did at a young age with the right attitude and talent.
I would sort of agree and it is a sign of our dearth of defnsive talent that I would probably do the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
Having said that I suspect Stan thinks that his Central Defenders in order are:
Dunne
O'Brien
O'Shea
Kilbane
Harte
Is he being influenced by the fact that he was a full back who played Central Defence?
Also form a position when we had in a 10-20 year period
McGrath
O'Leary
Lawrenson
Moran
McCarthy
we have since then produced so few Central Defenders.
Cunningham - Good but not even McCarthy level
Babb - Promising but unsuccesful
Dunne - Could be reliable
Breen - Admittedly always did well for us.
And it may be we look back on the last few years as a golden period. It's clear O'Brien is going backwards, the call from Sunderland cant be far away. It's all Robbie Keane's fault, everyone wants to be a fancy dan forward!
Fitzgerald has been playing for Bury since January 2005.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
For what reason might that be? Can anyone give me one (besides personal issues again Doherty and Connolly, Ive heard them all)? I cant think of multple reasons for each of them why they should be in the squadQuote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Connolly
1,) Experience
2.) Hot form
3.) Playing against top EPL defenders each week
4.) Proven goal scorer at all levels, helped qualify for the 2002 World Cup
5.) Has played with Keane more than Elliott, Doyle, and Morrison (about equal with Morrison)
6.) Friends with Gary Breen, could get him back (check the EPL videos for Gary Breen).
7.) Better than Dixon and Alan Lee
8.) With Keane not scoring for Tottenham, we need someone whos good in the box, because Keane is setting stuff up (KD, CM, and SE, can do this as well)
9.) Has 2, 3 good years left
10.) MOST IMPORTANTLY can perform under high pressure situations (Except once, we dont need to get into it, but scoring on his Feyenoord, and EPL debuts)
Doherty
1.) Experience
2.) Versatility (Forward or Defender)
3.) 1st team football each week
4.) Has played with the current members so far
5.) Has proven himself for Ireland
6.) Has 5, 6 + good years left
7.) Better than Steven Kelly (I think so)
8.) Shown he can perform at the International level, helped qualify for the 2002 World Cup
9.) Could learn more from Stan
10.) MOST IMPORTANTLY can perform under high pressure situations (I believe he had a header cleared off the line against Israel)
Kennedy
1.) Consistently been a solid performer
2.) Experience
3.) Has played at all levels
4.) Leadership
5.) Has 2, 3 good years left
6.) Shown he can perform at the International level, helped qualify for the 2002 World Cup
7.) Better than Alan O'Brien
8.) 1st team football each week
9.) Plays with Morrison and Macken (he could earn another call) each week, and has played with Kevin O'Connor
10.) MOST IMPORTANTLY can perform under high pressure situations (see goal in playoff semi-final against Reading, and play in final against Sheff United)
Only explanation "other reasons" must be personal, these 3 have been over looked too long
2 reasons for Dixon
1.) Potential
2.) Cap him once and lock him up forever
Alan O'Brien is slightly better
1.) Potential
2.) Trains with top players in the world, including Carr, Given and Duff.
3.) Could soon be one of our main guys, breaking him in now could be good
Well the next couple of months are going to be very interesting - set your expectations low and they may even be fun. As Stan won't have Robson by his side does anyone know who his assistant is and who the other coaches are apart from A.Kelly?
I rated Stan highly as a player - he may be our most capped player but he isn't an Ireland 'Great', but still a leader on the field and effective player- but he speaks fluent cliche, am I alone in fearing he thinks in cliches also and has no original thoughts?
The other member of the coaching staff is Kevin McDonald, a Scot, who, as well as joining Stan's 'team', is reserve team coach at Aston Villa, a post he has held for several years, including during the time when Stan played at Villa. He also played with Stan at Liverpool, who he joined from Leicester, and was in the double winning squad of 1986. His Liverpool career ended when he broke his leg. He finished his playing career at Coventry. Before Coventry he had a loan spell with Rangers. McDonald was also linked with the managers job at Inver Cally Thistle a few years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Qwerty