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28/07/2006, 12:14 PM
pete

Both teams have a decent chance of progressing. Woukd certainly expect to earn some more precious co-efficients.

Excellent away trip for the Derry lads too. Don't know where Start are from but they came 2nd last year after getting promoted the year before. Norway typically expensive to travel to though.
28/07/2006, 12:14 PM
Poor Student

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Originally Posted by De Town

Ambramovich like owner, pumpingmoney into them.

He's a lot more level headed than Abramovich. He's trying to make the club self sustainable after he dies and he sits amongst the fans and travels with them. Watch out for Kenny Deuchar, a qualified GP and a highly prolific goalscorer. John O'Neil was also a good playmaker in his days at Hibs and Alan Main was a great goalkeeper for many years. There's also a host of other names that have played for SPL clubs in there.
28/07/2006, 12:14 PM
BohsFans

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Originally Posted by Philly

Gretna are in the Scottish First Division. They got into the UEFA cup as they lost in the cup final to Hearts - who secured European qualification via the league - meaning Gretna were awarded the UEFA Cup spot. Here is their team: http://www.gretnafootballclub.co.uk/squad/profiles/ . they are certainly no great shakes.

last time that happened we beat Aberdeen, although they were in the top flight!

What's the points total so far from Irish clubs??
28/07/2006, 12:15 PM
De Town

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Nowhere near Abromovich type owner.

Ah I know he doesn't have his sort of money but he's been pumping money into them like Ambramovich, just not the same amount of money!
28/07/2006, 12:16 PM
wws

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philly

Gretna are in the Scottish First Division. They got into the UEFA cup as they lost in the cup final to Hearts - who secured European qualification via the league - meaning Gretna were awarded the UEFA Cup spot. Here is their team: http://www.gretnafootballclub.co.uk/squad/profiles/ . they are certainly no great shakes.

backed by ure man Brooks Mileson (?) who was sniffing around all the el clubs with his pimp Roddy Collins

I wouldnt underestimate a team with a bit of money behind em
28/07/2006, 12:16 PM
paudie

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Originally Posted by CharlesThompson

No seriously though, Milan are provisionally in the draw and a decision will be made by Uefa as to whether or not they can be Italy's fourth representative in the CL. If not, they will be replaced by the next Italian team in line - not sure who that is.

Palermo I think.
28/07/2006, 12:17 PM
Dazzy

We're gonna have a load of fans over for this! ****ing brilliant bus and boat and getting drunk:D
28/07/2006, 12:17 PM
dav_sfc

I tried do some research on Start, i tried reading the website in my best Norwegian accent but i still couldn't understand it. That's about the only effort I'm going to make. I hope they underestimate their opposition and Drogs go through. For the more knowledgeable out there, how many internationals have they got and how good are they on a scale of 1-10. 1 being Bohs, 10 begin Shels. ;)
28/07/2006, 12:17 PM
CuanaD

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Originally Posted by De Town

Ah I know he doesn't have his sort of money but he's been pumping money into them like Ambramovich, just not the same amount of money!

They won the 2nd division this year with 18 points to spare! (over Morton who had another 13 points over 3rd place) so they would fancy themselves to be promoted again this season at that rate
28/07/2006, 12:18 PM
BohsFans

Quote:

Originally Posted by pete

Both teams have a decent chance of progressing. Woukd certainly expect to earn some more precious co-efficients.

Excellent away trip for the Derry lads too. Don't know where Start are from but they came 2nd last year after getting promoted the year before. Norway typically expensive to travel to though.

12th in the Norwegian league (3rd bottom)

http://www.soccerbot.com/norway/tables/nor06.htm
28/07/2006, 12:19 PM
BohsPartisan

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Originally Posted by dav_sfc

I tried do some research on Start, i tried reading the website in my best Norwegian accent but i still couldn't understand it. That's about the only effort I'm going to make. I hope they underestimate their opposition and Drogs go through. For the more knowledgeable out there, how many internationals have they got and how good are they on a scale of 1-10. 1 being Bohs, 10 begin Shels. ;)

At least you know we're number one! :p
28/07/2006, 12:20 PM
Poor Student

By the way, as far as I know, Gretna are using Partick Thistle's ground in Glasgow which makes travel even easier for the Derry fans. You could expect a good 1,000 maybe?
28/07/2006, 12:20 PM
paudie

Quote:

Originally Posted by wws

backed by ure man Brooks Mileson (?) who was sniffing around all the el clubs with his pimp Roddy Collins

I wouldnt underestimate a team with a bit of money behind em

They're in Scottish Div 1 but will probably win it if mileson keeps putting in money so more realistic to regard them as a mid table Scot Prem side.

you'd still give Derry a decent chance of going through.
28/07/2006, 12:20 PM
higgins

lads I know its no walkover and they will probably puch for the first division next season but what more could you ask for in the UEFA Cup 2nd QR ?

Seriously :cool:

From the Gretna website!

Gretna were beaten in their penultimate pre-season friendly, losing 3-0 to Morecambe at Christie Park.

Goals from Garry Hunter, Danny Carlton & Michael Twiss gave the Conference side victory over the Scottish Division 2 Champions.

Gretna�s final friendly match before the start of the season takes place this Saturday (29th July) as the Black and Whites entertain Coca-Cola League 2 side Hartlepool United at Raydale Park (kick off 2pm).
28/07/2006, 12:21 PM
Dodge

The minimum required amnount of fans to bring to Glasgow for a european game is 1,500
28/07/2006, 12:23 PM
ColinR

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Originally Posted by Poor Student

By the way, as far as I know, Gretna are using Partick Thistle's ground in Glasgow which makes travel even easier for the Derry fans. You could expect a good 1,000 maybe?

it was in the metro over here during the week that they are playing in fir park in motherwell :confused:
28/07/2006, 12:23 PM
Sniffer

Who's at home first in both ties then?
28/07/2006, 12:23 PM
ColinR

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Originally Posted by Sniffer

Who's at home first in both ties then?

we are away first in ours
28/07/2006, 12:24 PM
Dodge

Derry are away first two. More postponements in the league I presume...
28/07/2006, 12:26 PM
Dazzy

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Originally Posted by ColinR

we are away first in ours

Same also! Setanta will probally show our game in Scotland as they have rights to Scottish football?? anyone confirm??
28/07/2006, 12:26 PM
CuanaD

Quote:

Originally Posted by dav_sfc

I tried do some research on Start, i tried reading the website in my best Norwegian accent but i still couldn't understand it. That's about the only effort I'm going to make. I hope they underestimate their opposition and Drogs go through. For the more knowledgeable out there, how many internationals have they got and how good are they on a scale of 1-10. 1 being Bohs, 10 begin Shels. ;)

I used an online translator on their site & got this:
"The tics am carry out and Start appointments Irish Drogheda Untited FC. Irene struck in first agony - beat edged Finish HJK 4-2 (1-1 and 3-1) and am at present at other accommodation in it Irish Prizes Division. 1 crunch at the back Shelbourne as administrator.":D
28/07/2006, 12:26 PM
paudie

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Originally Posted by ColinR

it was in the metro over here during the week that they are playing in fir park in motherwell :confused:

Motherwell or Glasgow still a good trip from the English border. Gretna seems to be a really small town so Derry may have at least half the crowd at the away leg.
28/07/2006, 12:27 PM
Poor Student

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColinR

it was in the metro over here during the week that they are playing in fir park in motherwell :confused:

Sorry, you're quite right. I was getting Firhill and Fir Park mixed up.
28/07/2006, 12:27 PM
ColinR

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Originally Posted by Dazzy

Same also! Setanta will probally show our game in Scotland as they have rights to Scottish football?? anyone confirm??

i'm not sure, bbc scotland showed hibs in the uefa last year as well as celtic against artmedia, and they showed hearts the other night, so i reckon they would have it. if they are showing it on bbc scotland, i'd imagine bbc ni would take it as well
28/07/2006, 12:28 PM
dav_sfc

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At least you know we're number one!

Serves me right I suppose. Should have picked a team from outer mongolia to pick on. Don't think their wit is up to much. Kegus Khan is right behind me.. is'nt he.:o
28/07/2006, 12:34 PM
Terry

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Originally Posted by Dazzy

Same also! Setanta will probally show our game in Scotland as they have rights to Scottish football?? anyone confirm??

scottish domestic matches, doesnt include european ties.
28/07/2006, 12:34 PM
Dazzy

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Originally Posted by Terry

scottish domestic matches, doesnt include european ties.

Ah well will be at it anyway.
28/07/2006, 12:37 PM
Poor Student

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Originally Posted by paudie

Gretna seems to be a really small town so Derry may have at least half the crowd at the away leg.

There'll be Scottish neutrals coming to support Gretna too.
28/07/2006, 12:41 PM
paul_oshea

should have read

of course they want to beat gretna, but surely the should beat gretna? :)
28/07/2006, 12:49 PM
paul_oshea

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Great two fair draws and chance for both teams to progress into group stages excellant and vaduz got basel which is a bonus

I thought there were 3 rounds before the group stages. as in they would have to win this next one and then one more to progress? hence cork getting in as the loser to milan ( if they got to the third round of the CL qualifires )?
28/07/2006, 12:51 PM
bluemovie

Stig Inge Bjornebye is the new manager of IK Start.
28/07/2006, 12:51 PM
Ronnie

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Nowhere near Abromovich type owner. He looked into buying/raping Pats and Rovers within the last year. Mates with Roddy Collins

I used to like Gretna and now you tell me this!
28/07/2006, 12:54 PM
ifk101

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Originally Posted by CuanaD

I used an online translator on their site & got this:
"The tics am carry out and Start appointments Irish Drogheda Untited FC. Irene struck in first agony - beat edged Finish HJK 4-2 (1-1 and 3-1) and am at present at other accommodation in it Irish Prizes Division. 1 crunch at the back Shelbourne as administrator.":D

I can read Norwegian if you want be to translate something. Talking to a few of their fans on their forum and they reckon they're already in the third round.
28/07/2006, 12:55 PM
Dodge

If BBC Scotland are showing the Gretna game it'll be streamed live on their interwebby. The hearts game was. Might be limited to those with a UK aIP ip address (calm down republicans...)
28/07/2006, 12:55 PM
CuanaD

Quote:

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

I thought there were 3 rounds before the group stages. as in they would have to win this next one and then one more to progress? hence cork getting in as the loser to milan ( if they got to the third round of the CL qualifires )?

That's right - qualifying rounds 1 & 2, then Round 1, followed by the group stage
28/07/2006, 12:56 PM
higgins

Quote:

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

I thought there were 3 rounds before the group stages. as in they would have to win this next one and then one more to progress? hence cork getting in as the loser to milan ( if they got to the third round of the CL qualifires )?

1st QR
2nd QR
1st Round
2nd Round (Group stages)
28/07/2006, 12:57 PM
CuanaD

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Originally Posted by ifk101

I can read Norwegian if you want be to translate something. Talking to a few of their fans on their forum and they reckon they're already in the third round.

Do you want to have a go at this then? :
"UEFA 2. kvalik: IK Start - Drogheda United FC (IRL)
Trekningen er foretatt og Start m�ter irske Drogheda United FC. Start f�r hjemmekamp 10. august og reiser til Irland 24. august
Irene slo i f�rste kvalik-runde ut finske HJK 4-2 (1-1 og 3-1) og er for tiden p� andre plass i den irske Premier Divison. 1 poeng bak Shelbourne som leder.

The "Drogs" spiller sine kamper p� United Park i byen Drogheda som ligger ca 56 km fra Dublin. Banen opplyses � ha en tilskuerkapasitet p� 5 400 . Drogheda by har rundt 29 000 innbyggere og ligger p� �stsiden av Irland, like opp mot grensen til den irske republikk.

Alle de norske lagene var seedet til trekningen kl 13.30. Det betyr at Start kunne m�te FK Ventspils (LAT), FBK Kaunas (LIT), Drogheda United FC (IRL), FC Levadia Tallinn (EST) eller Llanelli AFC (WAL)"
28/07/2006, 1:03 PM
Jerry The Saint

Quote:

Originally Posted by CuanaD

I used an online translator on their site & got this:
"The tics am carry out and Start appointments Irish Drogheda Untited FC. Irene struck in first agony - beat edged Finish HJK 4-2 (1-1 and 3-1) and am at present at other accommodation in it Irish Prizes Division. 1 crunch at the back Shelbourne as administrator.":D

John Delaney: You can stick your "Premiership" we have a new name we can all agree on - Irish Prizes Division! :)
28/07/2006, 1:03 PM
BohsPartisan

Quote:

Originally Posted by ifk101

I can read Norwegian if you want be to translate something. Talking to a few of their fans on their forum and they reckon they're already in the third round.

Good. Let them think that. Hopefully the Drogs can take advantage of that cockyness.
28/07/2006, 1:09 PM
ifk101

Quote:

Originally Posted by CuanaD

Do you want to have a go at this then? :
"UEFA 2. kvalik: IK Start - Drogheda United FC (IRL)
Trekningen er foretatt og Start m�ter irske Drogheda United FC. Start f�r hjemmekamp 10. august og reiser til Irland 24. august
Irene slo i f�rste kvalik-runde ut finske HJK 4-2 (1-1 og 3-1) og er for tiden p� andre plass i den irske Premier Divison. 1 poeng bak Shelbourne som leder.

The "Drogs" spiller sine kamper p� United Park i byen Drogheda som ligger ca 56 km fra Dublin. Banen opplyses � ha en tilskuerkapasitet p� 5 400 . Drogheda by har rundt 29 000 innbyggere og ligger p� �stsiden av Irland, like opp mot grensen til den irske republikk.

Alle de norske lagene var seedet til trekningen kl 13.30. Det betyr at Start kunne m�te FK Ventspils (LAT), FBK Kaunas (LIT), Drogheda United FC (IRL), FC Levadia Tallinn (EST) eller Llanelli AFC (WAL)"

Nothing interesting.

Quick translation follows.

Uefa Qual. Round 2 - Start v. Drogheda
The journey continues and Start meets Drogheda. Start at home Aug 10th, away 24th.

The Irish beat HJK 4-2 in the first round, are in second place in the league, 1 point behind Shels.

The "Drogs" play in United Park in the town of Drogheda 56 kms from Dublin. The stadium holds 5400. Drogheda has a population of 29,000 and is on the east coast of Ireland.

All Norwegian teams were seeded in the first round. Start could have drawn FK Ventspils (LAT), FBK Kaunas (LIT), Drogheda United FC (IRL), FC Levadia Tallinn (EST) eller Llanelli AFC (WAL).

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