Eircom League Co Efficient for 2006/2007

Right, so to sum up...by 2011, we should be challenging for the Champions League trophy.

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Originally Posted by CuanaD

Totally agree, getting through to the next round is FAR more important than the coefficient. But, the rankings can make things easier for Irish teams in future years - giving better chances of MORE Euro-games - thats why we care about them too.

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Not to mention they're a good way of seeing just how much Irish teams have improved. Anyone have the co-effs of the league for the last 10/15 years?


EDIT: Actually, they're already on that site.

Here is our ranking in 1990. Bottom out of 32.

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Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

Here is our ranking in 1990. Bottom out of 32.

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How were wales ahead of turkey,denmark and poland:confused:

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Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

Here is our ranking in 1990. Bottom out of 32.

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Not really comparing like with like. Europe has exploded countrywise & none of your pre-qualifying rounds or the like then.

For instance in 1989, Derry drew a Benfica side of internationals managed by Sven in the 1st round of the European Cup. They went on to the final as far as I remember.

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Originally Posted by nshoop

How were wales ahead of turkey,denmark and poland:confused:

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The League of Wales was only set up in 1992, so before that it would have been teams such as Swansea and Cardiff City winning the Co-efficient points - getting into Europe by winning the Welsh Cup. The Welsh teams playing in the English leagues are now banned from the Welsh Cup.

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Not really comparing like with like. Europe has exploded countrywise & none of your pre-qualifying rounds or the like then.

For instance in 1989, Derry drew a Benfica side of internationals managed by Sven in the 1st round of the European Cup. They went on to the final as far as I remember.

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Ye you have to judge from around 2000 on when multiple teams from each big country were in the competition. Also, before 1999 qualifying points were worth the same as points in the group stage and beyond.

1st ever draw where one team socred more than the other?

Derry City Irl Benfica Por 1-2 0-4

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Originally Posted by Poor Student

It might. Then again, our seeded team could draw the Montenegrin champions and they could possible be stronger than you'd think.

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Zeta Golubovci finished in the Top 5 in the Serbia-Montenegro league last season, Mogren and Buducnost Podgorica have all been in the top flight in the past couple of seasons. Zeta if they don't lose too many players should win that inaugural Montenegrin League.

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Originally Posted by thomas

1st ever draw where one team socred more than the other?

Derry City Irl Benfica Por 1-2 0-4

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This is the same Derry City side that lost 0-4 to Cardiff City in 1988:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by thomas

1st ever draw where one team socred more than the other?

Derry City Irl Benfica Por 1-2 0-4

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"Drew" as it came out of a draw paired with.....


It he was referring to the result he would have said "drew with":rolleyes: :rolleyes:

So we close the gap on team above and Cork beat a Cyprus Team and they ranked at 28 while Ireland are at 38.

Well done to Cork last night although they will have it very tough to get anything out of the Red Star Belgrade match, they have 6 players that was at the world cup finals in germany :eek:

Given how relatively difficult the draws have been this season it would show huge progress for 3 el sides to make it to the 2nd qualifying rounds knocking out teams from countries ranked 26th, 28th, 32nd.

Remember also this season is no fluke as just building on recent successes as eL sides have consistently beaten teams from countries ranked above us. Croatia (25th), Sweden (26th), Lithuania (33rd) etc... Also the points from 02/03 and 03/04 were minimal so can only improve on those.

We were well beaten by Slavia Prague (14th ranked country) last year although with some luck could have made a lot closer. We are as good this year but Serbs "only" ranked 20th.

Getting Drogs & Derry into the 2nd round should the first goal ahead of any ranking points (teams unlikely to get much more difficult for them in 2nd round).

Yes agreed would hope for a win from Derry or Drogheda next week and both teams to get through, that would be great for Ireland

At the mo we are ranked 31st looking solely at the results of this year & the past two:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...crank2009.html

Looks good for 2009!

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Originally Posted by swinfordfc

Yes agreed would hope for a win from Derry or Drogheda next week and both teams to get through, that would be great for Ireland

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I think it would be a first too - We've never got all 3 teams through their 1st rounds before!

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Originally Posted by nshoop

How were wales ahead of turkey,denmark and poland:confused:

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Wales's representatives back then were almost always Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham etc. And they were stronger teams than they are now (with possible exception of Cardiff).

Turkish club football was pure muck back in those days. It's only in the last decade or so that they've come-on a lot.

No idea re Denmark or Poland - but the Welsh reps were effectively English clubs, so if you look at it that way it's no huge surprise.

For the record - the Welsh clubs playing in the English pyramid system are not banned from playing the Welsh Cup. It's just deliberately made nigh-on impossible for them to do so by synching the Welsh rounds with the English FA Cup games and then demanding the best possibne team turns out for any Welsh Cup games.

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Originally Posted by viking

welsh clubs in the english pyramid system are not allowed in the welsh cup but can play in the welsh premier cup.

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I can assure you Viking that that is not the case. This came direct from the horses mouth (Alun Evans, Chairman of the League of Wales).

They are not allowed to prevent a Welsh club from entering the Welsh Cup. To get round this, they make sure they schedule Welsh Cup ties on the same day as FA Cup ties, and then insist on all teams fielding their strongest squads. As the exiles will always prefer the FA Cup to the Welsh version, they would fall foul of this and therefore don't enter at all.

Like I said, straight from the horse's mouth....

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Wales's representatives back then were almost always Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham etc. And they were stronger teams than they are now (with possible exception of Cardiff).

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Didn't Newport County get to the Q/F of the Cup Winners' Cup in 82 or so? Ended up being knocked out by Atalanta, I think, but only by a goal.

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Didn't Newport County get to the Q/F of the Cup Winners' Cup in 82 or so? Ended up being knocked out by Atalanta, I think, but only by a goal.

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In 1981 Newport got to the qf of the ECWC losing out to eventual beaten finalists Carl Zeiss Jena. Newport drew 2-2 in Jena but then lost 1-0 at home.

Glentoran have also played in the qf of the ECWC (1974) and Linfield reached the qf of the European Cup in 1967.

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Originally Posted by me

For instance in 1989, Derry drew a Benfica side of internationals managed by Sven in the 1st round of the European Cup.

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Originally Posted by thomas

1st ever draw where one team socred more than the other?

Derry City Irl Benfica Por 1-2 0-4

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Basic English lesson 101: had I been referring to the score, I would have said "drew with".

Do keep up.....

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Originally Posted by viking

do cork go up from 60th in the co effs?

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No, teams only gain their own coefficient points by getting 'results' in the 'proper' rounds of the competition. The qualifying round only counts towards the country's coefficient. Any club which qualifies for Europe for the first time in 5 seasons automatically receives the country's coefficient.

That said by getting a draw last night Ireland's coefficient goes up so Cork's does also. Had Cork got a draw in one of the legs against Slavia Prague last season as well as Ireland's coefficient going up by 0.333 points, Cork's would have also increased by 1 and would have been seeded instead of the Macedonians.

I think next thursday is a big day as will know by then what countries have all their teams knocked out giving the ranking list a clearer picture.

Drogs & Derry have a great chance as a few nice pickings in the 2nd qualifying round northern section meaning more ranking points on offer.

lets keep on topic here.. its about co efficent and not results

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Originally Posted by pete

Drogs & Derry have a great chance as a few nice pickings in the 2nd qualifying round northern section meaning more ranking points on offer.

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Just looking forward to Newcastle, FC Twente and Hertha Berlin:eek:

Wouldnt mind Gretna IF we advance.

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Originally Posted by viking

dcfcsteve, im right on that one. uefa banned them from playing in the cup for not joining the welsh league along with the part time clubs playing in the english set up who at first didnt join. these part time clubs had to play there games in england. they were eventualy allowed to play matches back on home soil and still be part of the english set up but banned from the cup. those who joined the league were allowed in cup. if celtic or rangers joined the premier league they wouldnt be allowed in the scottish cup.

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Sorry Viking - but I can 100% guarantee you that you are worng here. I can't be arsed to go into explaining the whole story, as I've done it about 3 previous times on here already (once earlier this year), so you'll just have to take my word for it.

Also - UEFA didn't ban anyone from playing in the Welsh Cup, as that's a purely internal matter.

How can I be 100% sure that I'm right ? Because I was told the story direct from the mouth of Alun Evans - Welsh League Chairman, former FAW President, and former UEFA Board member. You may think you know more about Welsh football than him, but with no disrespect I seriously doubt you do....

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Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

lets keep on topic here.. its about co efficent and not results

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Oh sweet Jebus, you are serious! :eek: :eek: :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Because I was told the story direct from the mouth of Alun Evans - Welsh League Chairman, former FAW President, and former UEFA Board member. You may think you know more about Welsh football than him, but with no disrespect I seriously doubt you do....

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:D :D

Back to topic - we need both Derry and Drogheda to get results and hopefully one of them to draw Gretna. Save the big sides for the group stages. ;)

Either side should take Gretna and then have a great chance of getting a club coefficient in the 1st round proper. This is absolutely huge. It effectively guarantees 5 years of seeding for the club. It also helps the national coefficient as points are doubled in that round. In reality no chance yet against the likes of Newcastle.

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Originally Posted by gspain

Back to topic - we need both Derry and Drogheda to get results and hopefully one of them to draw Gretna. Save the big sides for the group stages. ;)

Either side should take Gretna and then have a great chance of getting a club coefficient in the 1st round proper. This is absolutely huge. It effectively guarantees 5 years of seeding for the club. It also helps the national coefficient as points are doubled in that round. In reality no chance yet against the likes of Newcastle.

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Its not likely both Derry and Drogheda will progress.
I's say both will get very tough games.

Last weekend both HJK and IFK beat the respective league leaders in their leagues away from home.
Both Irish teams are new to europe and you cant let up for the 180 mins if you want to progress. I hope the players and management of Drogheda and Derry dont take it as a given that they have any right to progress.

Its still only half time and the seeded team would still be the bookies favourite Id imagine.

IFK beat West ham in a friendly yesterday:D

So people can Cork get anything out of tomorrow game?

i doubt with the two lads suspended and o'callaghan still at loggerheads

After last night game (i taught Cork gave them too much respect and didn't attack them more) Can Drogheda and Derry do it tonight and get into the 2nd q Round of UEFA Cup?

Am I right in saying our co-efficient is now 1.667(5/3)?

1.667 ?? oh my god ! thats a big jump.. Another win and were up to 2 !! incredible. A tall order for a win though in the next round.

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Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

1.667 ?? oh my god ! thats a big jump.. Another win and were up to 2 !! incredible. A tall order for a win though in the next round.

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I wouldn't say that. Even 2 draws from 5 games will yield 1 point

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...crank2007.html


Updated. That guy doesnt hang around!

Updated table here:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...crank2007.html

We're officially better than Liechtenstein :eek:

Hopefully we can overtake the Macedonia's before the season is out - with a favourable draw for the 2 teams tomorrow we could even more into the top 35 above Georgia.

Here's the teams Derry and Drogs could draw tomorrow

Newcastle United (Eng)
Club Brugge (Bel)
Hertha BSC (Ger)
Brøndby IF (Den)
FC Twente Enschede (Hol)
Gretna FC (Sco)
KSV Roeselare (Bel)
Molde FK (Nor)
OB Odense (Den)
Start Kristiansand (Nor)
SK Brann Bergen (Nor)

Any of the Norweigan teams, The 2nd Belgian team, Odense or Gretna (in that order) pls

Apart from Newcastle, nobody in there would be too impossible.

Having said that they might fancy a Newcastle side in Lansdowne Road with Duff ?
Drogheda are giving up home advantage and have played there before ?? Then again so has duff :)