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Originally Posted by NeilMcD
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Is the 5th official miked up as well, or is he merely an observer?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
My source in Italy tells me that Materazzi is alleged to have called Zidane "a terrorist."
Bear in mind that many people prefer their Italian sources thick with a pinch of salt, but this is what I was told.
Now my source on this is somebody who works in Lithuanian news agency (so make of that what you will), but I have also heard Mattarazzi called Zidane a “terrorist” and followed it up with an Arabic slur.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
It was one of the most astonishing things I have seen on a football field, made all the stranger watching it in a packed pub here in Paris. You could literally feel the good vibe that has engulfed this country over the last few weeks being sucked out in one moment. This World Cup has been more about Zidane than the French team for the French people. Everybody has been singing this stupid “"Zidane y va marqué!!!!” song - must have heard it in work AT LEAST 30 times this weekend, and every time his face appeared on screen last night there were massive roars.
You could really see everyone reaching for a reason to defend him last night but each replay brought more and more wincing.
When he was walking off last night, some were applauding him, a couple were deriding his idiotic act, most were just shaking their heads in disbelief.
Up until that moment I thought France were going to win it, I think most people in the pub felt the same, but everything changed with the red card, it was like the night had already been ruined and the penalties didn’t seem to matter that much,
Psychologically it all must have effected the French team too.
It looked like Zidane was going to go out on such a great high (I actually thought he was very good again last night), even if they had lost, it would have been such a heroic exit.
This really will tarnish his legacy somewhat.
Zidane lost a bit of it in translations. Materazzi said "Zizou, you are terrorising us" talking about Zidane's trickery against the Italian defence (On the pics you can see Zidane laugh) As they're walking away Zidane turns and said "Wait!? Did you just call me a terrorist". Materazzi, in true Munty Pythin stle said "yeah, I mean N" - THWACK!!!!! He's on his arse before he can correct himself.
At least that’s what my sources tell me
Very sad I thought. He was the most creative influence on the tournament. Some of the pompous hand wringing going on here would put Garth Crooks to shame. I suppose you either like watchin football the way it should be played or you just are a moany oul **** with deep personal anger issues that you project on to insignificant events in order to avoid having to confront the gaping hole of nothingness that is your life. I like Zidane myself.
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Originally Posted by Dodge
Does it matter what he said really ? If we butted someone every time we were insulted, life wouldn't be worth living. Thank God he didn't go for the face otherwise Materazzi would now be a toothless wonder.
Surprised that some on here have agreed with the over-reaction greeting Zidane's sending off. Not that he shouldn't have been. but the tabloids and the BBC saying that this has spoiled everything Zidane has done in his career is a bit much. Has anything Maradona ever done overshadowed his career? Remember in 94 when people were saying all he'd be remembered for was his drugs shame, yet here we are 12 years later and no-one even mentions it anymore. Loved the hypocritical BBC saying that a violent act always deserves a straight red, just a week after crying their eyes out at Rooney being sent off for just such a thing, absolute muppets.
On a personal note I think that at some stage what players are justified in saying to their fellow professionals will have to be reviewed. If the Notorious CHEAT that is a Materazzi did make an ethnic slur to Zidane than I feel the neadbutt was fully justified, hopefully we'll find out someday what was really said. Where's that Man Utd fan that could lip read Finnan mouthing off to Neville when you need him?
The funny thing about the Rooney sending off is that it was for the push on Ronaldo, or at least the referee didn't go for the card until after he does it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
It's fairly obvious Zidane lost it when he headbutted Materazzi because if he had been thinking and wanted to stick one on him he would have made sure Materazzi couldn't continue. Italy had used all three subs by that point hadn't they?Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
I realise that Zidane lost it, and trust me, I think he should have been given that red, I doubt that even his family would dispute that. But players making racial slurs at others (even if Materazzi didn't it happens), is just as bad, and in my book, much more disgraceful then throwing a head at the perpetrator.Quote:
Originally Posted by rerun
And the point about the Beeb is that they got themselves into such a knot trying to explain how the push on Ronaldo was justified because of Ronalso trying to get him booked for his stamp, when if they'd only commentate to the laws of the game they'd realise that a push is equally as bad in the rulebook as a headbutt, and both warrant the red card
Any indications from your sources that Materazzi may have said "HEY TERRORIST! Terrorize this!".Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
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Originally Posted by rerun
Watch it again, the ref clearly makes a stamping motion and indicates thats why Rooney was sent off. How can people miss these things?
A significant memory from yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
Maradona is remembered for more than the handball goal.
Cantona is remembered for more than kicking the Palace fan.
Roy Keane is remembered for more than walking out of Saipan.
Johann Cruyff is remembered for more than walking out of the World Cup.
Liam Brady is remembered for more than chinning the Bulgarian.
George Best is remembered for more than $hagging and boozing.
Pele is remembered for more than promoting erectile disfunction.
Time must pass before we can say what the significant memories really are, but great players are associated with more than one memory. Life just isn't that simple that one incident is attached to one person (unless your Mark David Chapman / Jack Ruby etc)
It's a poetically tragic end to a supreme career. A near unscriptable twist to end the tale.
Oddly enough, the comment piece in Sunday's Times almost predicted such an end...well worth a hindsight-tinted read if you can find it.
The French seem to be sticking behind him according to news reports. Boumsong has said he apologised straight away after the match for losing his head, Henry said that all that should be sadi to Zidane now is thank you for being a great player, and Trezeguet has said that "Zidane can walk away with his head held high, whilst Materazzi with his cup winners medal should be hanging his for what he said. There is more to life than football". Interesting words from Trezeguet, maybe Zidane told him what was said
whatever Materazzi said i think he should be given 2 medals
ZZ took the bait big style
why didnt he just nut him after the match
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Originally Posted by Soko
just pure tabloid crap!! + the disgraceful bias in the media (english) towards their team!
I would find it really sad if any true football fan ever believed there could be some circumstance where headbutting an opponent on the field of play would ever be justified. :o :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Just a thought............he is about to have a book published....maybe his publisher had suggested an " outragous final act" to launch the sales into orbit!!...........or am I just a huge cynic??;)
could you please tell us which forum and thread this quote is from.........I'd hate to think there was some selective editing..............Quote:
Originally Posted by Superhoops
any videos of him with the headbutt ??
From this forum and this thread. Full post below. Don't think can be construed as selective editing. My reading (and I may be wrong!) is that Jebus is advocating that if Materazzi made an ethnic slur to Zidane then the headbutt was fully justified! Have I misread or misunderstood? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
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Originally Posted by jebus
It was an act of madness from Zidane but he has to live with the consequences so I'm not gonna slag the man off. I feel sorry for the man if I'm honest, I just wish he could turn back the clock and walk away from the incident. Materazzi obviously said something to him and got the reaction he wanted.......thank God he didn't nut him in the head or else we'd have a Duncan Fergusson story on our hands i.e. jail.
Cheers for that............no selective editing, just good highlighting of a foolish post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superhoops
Well well well, a Limerick fan and Shamrock Rovers fan agreeing........whats next??!!
Who is the Shamrock Rovers fan?Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Clearly nobody.........apologies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superhoops
I didn't know Dunphy was the ghostwriter! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sligo Hornet
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The fourth official, the Spaniard Medina Cantalejo, has been quoted in the Spanish press as saying he saw the incident on the spot and didn't see any replay. He told the linesman it was a red card and the linesman informed the ref.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniffa
Meanwhile, a team of expert lip readers on Brazilian TV claims Materazzi called Zidane's sister a prostitute just before the head-butt.
Zidane hadn't had a good game, he'd taken a bang on his dodgy shoulder and was probably in a lot of pain and just lost the rag.
A terrible way to end, true enough, but any true football fan is going to remember a hundred other moments before this one.
A moment of madness?
I am sure his forth coming book will sell by the shed load.
Best timed header of the tournement in my opinion :D
Yep, a flawed genius is far more interesting than a run-of-the-mill genius :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
Zidane tackle was bad but people have to cop on a bit, Every great player has moments of madness and people are just jumping on his back it been his last game. Rooney's tackle was 10 times worse... I know if i was on the receiving end i would perfer zidanes anyday. And lets not forget a mister Roy Keane vs Alf Inge Haaland yet majority of people never seem to bring this up when mentioning him. Also Maradonna was no angel I remember him been involved in a mass brawl during a match when with Barcelona and he done a Cantona style kick into a players chest and levelled another 2 players i think with punches.
Rooney's "tackle" was 10 times worse? And you'd prefer Zidane's "challenge"? Stay off the drugs. They're affecting your vision and God knows what else too. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by tribesman78
No, but you too can relive the fateful moment...Quote:
Originally Posted by thejollyrodger
http://tonaz.altervista.org/zidane.html
See how many Marcos you can fell. :D
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ehh well can i have some of what you're smoking coz i'd much prefer a medium strength headbutt to the chest than a stamp on the criggies. unless i'm not getting your tackle vs. challenge wordgame analysis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy
It's called a football forum where we discuss, erm, football. And it has to be said you're as sad as the rest of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
Jebus. Thank f*ck the Celtic tiger came before you reached working age. I doubt you'd have lasted a minute as someone Irish in Britain with that attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Chest too. I don't like my huevos scrambled either.Quote:
Originally Posted by ken foree
Latest on Zid Viscious (copyright The Scum) by an Italian lipreader on tonight's BBC News is that while he couldn't see what Zidane said, Materazzi said in the following order: 'No...calm down!...liar!...a terrible death on your family (perhaps the spark seeing that Zidane found out his mother was ill) ...'Go f*ck yourself!'
In a way it was typical of Zidane, your average thug would have gone for a nosebreaker, Zidane tried something a bit different, don't think I have ever seen a headbutt to the chest before, it was executed very well too, well disguised and timed to perfection, resulting in Materazzi collasping in a heap.
A lot of other players would have missed :D
Whatever the reason for it I am sure it was well enough deserved, Materazzi was doing some sneaky holding of Zidane monents earlier, the kind of 'low level' cheating that spoils the game (diving, feighing injury etc...).
I really can't understand what all the fuss is about. As far as I am concerned he well deserved player of the tournement, a pleasure to watch. He didn't even (appear) try to hide it either, yet somehow the only people who didn't see it were the three officials!!
I will always remember his as one of the most graceful players to play the game.
Medium-strength headbutt? I don't think so. That was deliberately placed and, had it been a few inches lower, could have easily collapsed Materazzi's diaphragm with catastrophic results. So a kick in the balls has got to be preferable to potential death, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by ken foree
OP called Rooney's stamp a "tackle". I'm sure you'll agree that it was nothing of the sort, hence the quotation marks.Quote:
Originally Posted by ken foree
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And if, unknown to Zidane, someone had planted a nuclear warhead in Materazzi's shirt, it could have meant death for us all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy
Won't somebody please think of the children?
Don't know what Materazzi told Zidane and I couldn't care less, whatever he said it's probably what player say each other every 10 seconds on the pitch all over the world.
Here you can play Zidane vs Materazzi again
From today's Independent (UK):
In Italy they have another explanation. In Italy, Internazionale are mocked as an overspending, poorly run side doomed to failure. The joke is that Materazzi's provocation was simple: he just asked Zidane if he fancied playing for Internazionale.