The Kevin Nolan saga

Do you think Kerr should try one last time?
I think he's a quality player and his goal on Saturday was a cracker.
I know this reopens a can of worms but I personally think he would be a great addition to the squad. I know he turned down Kerr for the underage team but that was a few years ago and maybe he might be intetrested now. Some will disagree and say we shouldn't accept an English reject. I would agree if he was cr@p like Maken and didn't add anything to the squad but with Roy, Holland and Kavanagh all into their 30 and close to retirement (or in Holland's case slowly disimproving with age) we don't have a hell of a lot of young CMF players with a few years experience at the highest level. So he would be at least as good if not better than what we have now. I'm interested in Ireland doing a well as possible and if a player qualifies for us via the Grandparent/Parent rule and they improve our squad then why not? Even some of the larger countries have one or two players in their starting 11 that weren't born and bred there. Why shouldn't we as a smaller nation do the same? Sure isn't there something like 15 million people with an Irish passport? I have no objections anyway, unless the person is a total w@anker of course :D

My understanding is that he can't qualify so it's a moot point.

No, he makes it under the grandparent rule. He has at least two and maybe all four Irish grandparents.

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Would Nolan be a good option for us purely based on talent? Yes.

Will BK call him up? I don't think so based on previous history, there was talk of him being called up a year ago when he was left out of the England Euro 2004 squad.

Do I think he should be called up? No, but that's only my tuppence worth.

According to football365 today he's looking to get an England call up so this subject should be dropped
Read it here - http://www.football365.com/news/story_163916.shtml

No, no and no again. Have people no pride at all? Going begging a fella who is adamant he's not irish to play for ireland. makes me puke

My understanding is he was ineligible after playing underage for England. He was then available to us under the amnesty last year but Kerr didn't want him. I think the time limit for the amnesty has expired so he is no longer available.

no chance .. on ability wise yeah but the lad harbours ambitions to play for england and is willing to wait a few years to see if he can get into squad so for me its a non starter.

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Originally Posted by Éanna

No, no and no again. Have people no pride at all? Going begging a fella who is adamant he's not irish to play for ireland.

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Agree with that, he had his chance and turned us down. I wouldn't give him a second chance to turn us down again and make us look desperate.

As far as I know, he had to change allegiance before 31st Dec last year. This is were they introduced a 'window' for people to change if they had played up to U21 football for another country.

I would have liked him to play for Ireland but I wouldnt go begging for him to play. There were indications that he wanted to play for us but that was after being picked by England U21.

End of story as far as I am concerned.

If ye turn down Ireland once, ye don't deserve to be asked again - and if you beg to come back you should be told to f**k off. Simple as that

As has been mentioned already, Nolan is not eligible. Once you have played for another country at any level you are stuck with them. There was a window for the year of 2004 which allowed players change but thats over.

F**k Nolan Joey O'Brien will have his place in the Bolton team by the end of the year anyway. We can call him up.

We are fine for central midfield players coming through anyway with Garvan, Ireland and O'Brien all now starting to make their mark. We don't need any England rejects in that position.

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Originally Posted by youngirish

F**k Nolan Joey O'Brien will have his place in the Bolton team by the end of the year anyway. We can call him up.

We are fine for central midfield players coming through anyway with Garvan, Ireland and O'Brien all now starting to make their mark. We don't need any England rejects in that position.

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Don't forget Glenn Whelan

Ya exactly, Im fairly sure I remember reading something a while back about him turning down playing for Ireland. This is nearly as ludricious as asking Lee Trundle to play for us, Nolan is a good player, no more no less.

I saw Joey OB came on last sat and did well, have seen him mentioned here a good few times but dont know much about him. He obviously has potential, I thought I heard he had declared for the north?? or am I only talkin rubbish? anyone shed some light?

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Originally Posted by elroy

He obviously has potential, I thought I heard he had declared for the north?? or am I only talkin rubbish? anyone shed some light?

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Maybe he declared for North Dublin select XI but he definitely didn't declare for Northern ireland. He's a Dub and I've seen him a few times now for Bolton and Sheffield Wed last season and he looks potentially excellent. One of the best of our young players IMO.

He also seems to be getting better with every game which is another plus. He's expected to start in Bolton's away game in the UEFA cup on Thursday so you might see more of him then (I think it's on Channel 5 over here in England) though I expect it'll be a very tough game for him and Bolton.

Kevin Nolan is a good player who would be good enough for at least a regular bench spot with us had he wanted to play for us before the window closed.

He considers himself more English and wants to play for them as opposed to some country he doesn't identify with. Fair play to him for not just using international football as a career break. I personally wouldn't want any more Morrissons in the team anyway but I think more of Nolan for turning us down than I would have done had he come onboard.

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Originally Posted by sadloserkid

Kevin Nolan is a good player who would be good enough for at least a regular bench spot with us had he wanted to play for us before the window closed.

He considers himself more English and wants to play for them as opposed to some country he doesn't identify with. Fair play to him for not just using international football as a career break. I personally wouldn't want any more Morrissons in the team anyway but I think more of Nolan for turning us down than I would have done had he come onboard.

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Speaking of which (im not a big fan of Morrison and his big U turn either) but the man is scoring goals for fun at the moment. Considering he is a confidence player, it can only be good news for us with the games coming up.

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Originally Posted by sadloserkid

He considers himself more English and wants to play for them as opposed to some country he doesn't identify with. Fair play to him for not just using international football as a career break.

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Rubbish, he was making noises about playing for us when the new rules came into being, said things like "all I can do is play my best and hope mr. kerr calls me". He made a decision to play for eng u21's and that should have been the end of it.

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Originally Posted by Cowboy

Rubbish, he was making noises about playing for us when the new rules came into being, said things like "all I can do is play my best and hope mr. kerr calls me". He made a decision to play for eng u21's and that should have been the end of it.

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When did he say that?? I actually can't recall him ever saying he wanted to play for Ireland.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

When did he say that?? I actually can't recall him ever saying he wanted to play for Ireland.

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It was just after the rule change and sky sports news were doing a piece on it talking to players who were eligible .

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

As has been mentioned already, Nolan is not eligible. Once you have played for another country at any level you are stuck with them. There was a window for the year of 2004 which allowed players change but thats over.

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I dont believe thats strictly true, when the rule was changed there was an amnesty for players who played for another country before they were 25 now I believe this age is set at 21 after the deadline. AFAIK and i'm open to correction only senior level competitive caps now tie you to a country.

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Originally Posted by Cowboy

It was just after the rule change and sky sports news were doing a piece on it talking to players who were eligible .

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You sure about that? According this article on eleven-a-side.com - http://www.eleven-a-side.com/boysing...sp?newsid=9747 - his preference was for England.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

You sure about that? According this article on eleven-a-side.com - http://www.eleven-a-side.com/boysing...sp?newsid=9747 - his preference was for England.

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Yes I'm positive, I agree his preference was for the main england as I recall Mc Carthy tried to recruit him too but he perhaps he had a short lived change of heart for career reasons. I agree with the other posters here that once he chose england u21's thats the end of it.

To continue the theme, but different player: Neil Kilkenny.

1. What exactly happened?
2. Has he actually gone on to represent England yet?
3. Should we try to get him back?

i dont remember the exact details but i was definately left with the impression that Nolans first choice was England and he was going to pursue that fully before considering the Ireland option.in a scenario like this i dont believe we could cap him (even if the rules allow it) without devaluing an irish cap.

while we are at it..does anyone know of any others who fall into this category? inbetweeners?

ive heard frannie 'foxinthebox' jeffers is one and marlon harewood/marlon king(cant remember which one) can anyone confirm these 2,or add any more?

Marlon King definitely tried but couldn't provide the evidence of appropriate ancestry. Then he got banged up for nicking a car!

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

I've heard frannie 'foxinthebox' jeffers is one and marlon harewood/marlon king(cant remember which one) can anyone confirm these 2,or add any more?

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Francis Jeffers claimed he still qualified for Ireland because he only played friendly games at senior level, never a competitive.
IIRC Marlon King qualified because he claimed his biological mother is Irish (he's adopted) but could never produce the documentation about her to prove it.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Francis Jeffers claimed he still qualified for Ireland because he only played friendly games at senior level, never a competitive.
IIRC Marlon King qualified because he claimed his biological mother is Irish (he's adopted) but could never produce the documentation about her to prove it.

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and do you know jeffers link? how strong is it?

anyone know of any others?

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

i dont remember the exact details but i was definately left with the impression that Nolans first choice was England and he was going to pursue that fully before considering the Ireland option.in a scenario like this i dont believe we could cap him (even if the rules allow it) without devaluing an irish cap.

while we are at it..does anyone know of any others who fall into this category? inbetweeners?

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I agree but we have already done that. Kevin Gallen is another that springs to mind that Brian kerr went to look at

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

and do you know jeffers link? how strong is it?

anyone know of any others?

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According to this article - http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer...nt/ppage_7.htm - it's through his grandmother. It also lists few other players, I didn't know Adrian Deane qualified at all.

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

and do you know jeffers link? how strong is it?

anyone know of any others?

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there are so many reasons why that waste of organs should never be seen in a green shirt.
and thats before i go down the rangers route

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

I didn't know Adrian Deane qualified at all.

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Deane played for the U21s regularly before being released by Charlton and quickly nestling into obscurity's bosom before popping up and scoring a goal recently for Orient or Torquay or some other minnow, I'm sure obscurity will beckon again...

Is there still a chance he might declare for ROI? or has he decided to stick with England?

I started a thread about him last week and it appears that as he has played for the English U-21 team he can't play for us. Recently there was an amnesty which allowed players to switch allegiance but it's too late for him now.

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Originally Posted by Irish_Praha

I started a thread about him last week and it appears that as he has played for the English U-21 team he can't play for us. Recently there was an amnesty which allowed players to switch allegiance but it's too late for him now.

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Well like Kevin Gallen that's his international career over before it starts!:rolleyes:

The Kevin Nolan piece seems to be popping up again for some reason!!

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?h...+eyed+by+Irish

Didn't think it was an option anymore...

For chissake i'd snap your hand off for Kevin Nolan, he is a great player and we're not in a position to be picky, talent is on the barren side at the moment, a few outings in the green jersy and he'll be accepted as a paddy, hell if Tony Cascarino can!!! why can't someone with a name like Kevin Nolan.. A scouse from Liverpool (john Aldrige!!!)
If its true about Brian Kerr overlooking Nolan, this shows more off what a poor Manager Kerr really was (shortsighted to say the least)

I'm suprised Sky Sports don't know this but that rule was only in for the calender year 2004. You have to be U-21 to change allegiance now as this will show:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...ls/4412024.stm