i take back all i thought about him now especially due to his previous stance
i take back all i thought about him now especially due to his previous stance
Aye, it seems he has been persuaded by a few people.
Whats the difference between Kitson and Morrisson, apart from being a better player Kitson is more honest...
I reckon there has been contact between Staunton and Kitson's people. I think Kitson has been convinced that he should play for Ireland. Otherwise, I don't think he'd have made such a u-turn. We might not see him in the squad for the Sweden game but I think he will be called up before the real action starts in the autumn.
Are the likes of Zat Knight and Marlon King still looking to throw their lot in with the Oirish?
We could end up with the following striking options:
Robbie Keane
Clinton Morrison
Kevin Doyle
Stephen Elliott
David Connolly
Dave Kitson
Gary McSheffrey
Lee Trundle
Marlon King
Michael Reddy ...
:D :D
No way. He can stick it where the sun dont shine.I cant support players using us as a second option when they cant get a game for their preferred country.
knight has played for england and king for jamaicaQuote:
Originally Posted by TheJamaicanP.M.
Cas played under Eoin Hand, I think that gives him a pass. I was not happy about Townsend, Holland or Morrison but once they are in the squad there doesn't seem to much point in wasting enery disliking them. And besides they all have played and behaved when representing Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by totalfootball
One Irish grandparent doesn't cut the Colman's for me - except for guys like McGeady who sign up at an early age. I think Stan has been unwise in being so public about the Granny-rule, it's makes us look bad, I think if we use the Granny-rule it should be at youth level preferably U-19 but I can live with U-21.
McSheffrey isn't eligible fullstop . If I'm wrong please correct me.
taken from www.independent.ie
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Kitson about-turn as Reading striker admits he would consider Irish offer
Gerry McDermott
in Montreux
AS Ireland manager Steve Staunton prepared himself for this morning's Euro 2008 qualifying draw in Switzerland, he was boosted by the news that Reading striker Dave Kitson is having second thoughts about not declaring for Ireland.
Last week, Kitson stated he wouldn't be putting himself forward for selection, even though he qualifies though his paternal grandfather, because he didn't believe in the 'granny rule'. But Staunton confirmed last night that there has been contact, although the player insists he has yet to speak to the Dundalk man. However, Kitson, who has scored 17 goals this season, admits he is having second thoughts about saying he would not declare for Ireland.
"If they decide to make a move I would have to think about it," said Kitson.
"I don't want to be presumptuous, so we will have to see. But if you want to play international football and you're eligible for two countries you have to have a serious think."
Staunton confirmed last night in Montreux, where he is attending today's Euro 2008 draw, that he intends to talk to Kitson. He watched the 25-year-old score twice against Coventry two weeks ago and he admitted he is also trying to sort out the eligibility of Coventry's Gary McSheffrey.
The striker has played non-competitive football for England's U20 side but there is an unconfirmed suggestion he may have played two competitive games for England's U19 side, which would rule himout of playing for Ireland as he is over 21 and thus unable to change his international allegiance.
Staunton also revealed that he is very happy with the response to his appeal last week for information about players who qualify under the 'granny rule'.
"I don't want to say who they are out of respect to them and their clubs but we have had a very encouraging response," said the Ireland manager.
Thats about the 2nd or 3rd time in the last year or so I've read mixed signals from him over this...:rolleyes:
Surprise, surprise!! Another principled footballer.
Not at all. Tony Galvin hummed and harghed about playing for Ireland and both he and his relevent parent didn't have a clue where his grandfather was from, delaying his first cap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Qwerty
I agree with you there, although I'd be surprised that McGeady had just the one Irish grandparent seeing his attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Qwerty
No difference, they should be both told to f**k offQuote:
Originally Posted by Condex
this is astonishing stuff really re:kitson. he obviously spoke from the heart about how he felt and if he makes a u-turn now he will surely come under stick from a lot of the irish public. its just ridiculous that we should even consider a guy that has said publicly that he is not irish.
same deal with kevin nolan.
The "interview" he supposedly gave was printed in the Indo. This is the same paper which stated categorically that Kerr was going to be appointed the new South Africa manager. Kerr himself has completely refuted this story. They stated that Kevin Nolan was inelligble to declare for Ireland. Completely wrong again. They NEVER retract their barstool top of the head stories. Every week there is a number of made up stories on the football pages relating to Irish football. I would like a journo from anywhere else other than O'Reillys sheets to ask Kitson directly exactly what he said to the Indo. Did they even contact him. Or is it AGAIN just another fabrication.
"I don't want to be presumptuous, so we will have to see. But if you want to play international football and you're eligible for two countries you have to have a serious think." --- Kitson
Hardly earth shattering news. He'll have a think about it. Did he not think prior to his previous utterances - being a footballer, perhaps not. Anyway I don't take that as a sign he'll declare for us. It is, as usual, a "story" driven by a few quotes.
don't you bloody worry, there is no doubt at all that he will declare. Hes seen a great oppurtunity here with an international team, something to tell the grandkids if nothing else...
so much for principles :(
I would love to see Kitson lining out for Ireland our attack was so bad in the WC qualifiers that it sucked, bigtime. Let Staunton pick whoever he wants and see what happens we can't get any worse.
I doubt people are "more upset". Just because we haven't stopped supporting the Ireland national team doesn't mean we support previous Ireland manager's decisions to call these players up. There's nothing the average fan can do about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by totalfootball
We could always play the likes of McSheffery and Kitson, bringing them on as subs in the final few minutes of a Unity Cup match and then not play them again.
In the long run that might filter out some of the more mercenaric declarations.
`How would it?
Well, assuming they're the sort of player who doesnt want to play for Ireland, but instead would just prefer to play for any old international team - if they thought their international career might only last 2 mins in pretty much a b-team friendly the might be less inclined to pick us.
I think the miniimum ammount of time is 46 minutes? Good idea though!
I don't usually insult players but Kitson is a knob if he has done a 180. If he is called up we should swamp the FAI with protests.
I've just seen that he's 6ft 3 and he can actually play it on the ground too. He would be a very handy addition to the squad. Top scorer in the championship and has only played about 2/3 of the games. If he was another little fella like Robbie or Connolly (or McSheffrey) I would question the point in including him but we have nobody of his build available at the moment, except Saddlier and it is unknown if he will complete his comeback. Kerr said he would only look at players through the grandparent rule if they improved on what we already had and in the end he only capped Macken, who in my opinion added nothing to the squad. At least Kitson has some thing new to offer and wouldn't be taking the "big man" role from anyother young Irish prospect.
However, I hope the fact that Staunton is seeking him out doesnt indicate that we are going to revert to long ball game we played under Charlton (and yes i know Kitson has more to his game than that).
If someone has duel nationality, I don't really see a big problem with them
choosing the team which will earn them the most money as their first
choice, if I was in the same position I would probably do the same myself.
Afterall they are not 100% any nationally but most people are 100%
commited to increasing their bank balance!!
Would you choose the lesser paid of two equal jobs?
What would people say if Kitson got into the senior squad at the expense of Doyle.
This is supposed to be a NATIONAL team that represents this country. Only people who see all their football on tv & play computer games coul;d welcome mercenaries playing in the irish team.
:(
Kitson has told Reading FC official website that he has not changed his mind. He said that he is being hounded by the same journalists who keep asking the same question, trying to create a story where there isn't one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Qwerty
Too many tabloid readers on these forums lately. :rolleyes:
"Since the change of management there's been talk about this again.
"First time around I practically set in stone that I was not interested, as flattered as I was.
"It's a little frustrating that journalists can ask a question, then six months later they can ask again and think the answer will change. It's the same people asking me again, looking for a story that does not exist, I'm afraid.
"I'm flattered to be considered good enough to play for them, but I reiterate what I said first time around. To me, my family is not Irish. I've only ever had English family around me, my parents were born in north London, so was I, and as far as I'm concerned I'm English.
"But that in no way means I'm only holding out to play for England. I'm not naive enough to think I'm good enough, so it's really not for that purpose.
"This is purely because of my principles. I don't agree that you should be eligible because of your grandparents. Where do you draw the line? What about great-grandparents or great-great grandparents? For me it's just about parents or where you were born and brought up.
"This is just my own little stand against a rule. It might get headlines but it won't really make any difference and in two weeks it'll be forgotten. I just don't want to compromise my principles.
"I've only ever heard a few rumours about an Irish call up. I felt this way before I even considered Ireland though. I've always supported England.
"All this has come to my attention even more now that we've got Kevin Doyle, Shane Long and Stephen Hunt here. Let's say I play and therefore stand in the way of someone like them, who is 100% Irish and would give anything to play for their country. I would feel a hyprocrite and be denying them a chance they deserve."
"It's something I have had to think about, it's surreal to even think that us playing together for Ireland could happen but I stand by my beliefs.
"I won't be a player that denies any emerging Irish talent a chance to play in a World Cup or European Championships.
"This is definitely the right decision for me. Lots of people can't understand it but I'm not asking them to. I've not made this decision to affect people or gain respect.
"It's annoying that some people in the game look at this from a financial point of view. They say I could play and up my value and up my wages but that disappoints me so much, it really does.
"People with no morals have been telling me what to do, and to tell me to do it for financial gain is just so disappointing. I don't need to be told by anyone."
Right, thats him sorted. Now on to McSheffrey
You will have noted that I underlined the 'if', are you suggesting I read a tabloid? I admit to being a snob and appropriately bristled by such a suggestion sir :mad: .Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
I'm liking Kitson more and more. Seems like a stand-up guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Whereas I would have welcomed Kitson on board, he really seems like an honest and principled guy. Best of luck to him whatever he doesQuote:
Originally Posted by Fergie's Son
indeed-theres no doubt stan would have called him up being a striker if he had showed any interest so fair play to him. He'll probably never get a game for England so it really says a lot about his character.
I used your post as an example of what was being posted in general. It wasn't aimed at you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Qwerty
You can take offence if you've nothing better to be doing. That's your own business. It's a bit sad really that you're too much of a snob to reasearch something before you comment though. :rolleyes:
From today's Indo, hopefully this will be the end of it all
http://www.unison.ie/sportsdesk/stor...=12&si=1552200
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However, Reading striker Dave Kitson reiterated that under no circumstances will he be playing for Ireland in the future.
"I'm flattered to be considered good enough to play for them," he said. "But I reiterate what I said first time around. To me, my family is not Irish.
"I've only ever had English family around me, my parents were born in north London, so was I, and as far as I'm concerned I'm English."
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Originally Posted by Peadar
...or could it be that there are too many snobs on the site with ideas above their station??
Could be. Perhaps we need a poll. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse
Are you a snob?
Are you a tabloid reader?
Are you just an honest decent person who reads a broadsheet?
Bah! Polls are for snobs....:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
well I don't see any page 3 on the broadsheets?????????Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
I comes after page 2 and before page 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Den Perry
Unless someone is stealing it on you, there should definitely be a page 3 in the broadsheet.