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17/01/2006, 9:15 AM
jockser

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Originally Posted by Peadar

Was anyone else bored to tears listening to him?
The sooner the football begins, the better because this is depressing stuff.

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Originally Posted by SunnySweeney

He doesn't have any BUZZ about him. He doesn't inspire and has no tactical experience. In the end he brings nothing to the table

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Originally Posted by klein4

Staunton comes accross very badly as a public speaker...

Lets install "Hector Anseo!!!" intead as manager for all these who were bored and want oscar performances then FFS :rolleyes:
17/01/2006, 9:54 AM
Peadar

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Originally Posted by jockser

...for all these who were bored and want oscar performances then FFS :rolleyes:

Some of us think there's more to being a manager than having played a lot of games.
You obviously come from the same school of thought as John Delaney, which gives your opinion a zero rating in my book.
17/01/2006, 10:12 AM
NeilMcD

Well to be fair to jockser I think he was making the point that some people put public speaking as one of the main credentials you need to be a top class manager. There is no doubt that Bobby Robson was fare more comfortable infront of the media than Stan was. But by all accounts from the journalists on the Hub last night, the minute he did one on one interviews Staunton was very talkative and informative. The players certainly responded to him in 2002 as that team was pretty average without keane but Staunton showed leadership skills after the debacle of Saipan. I think that is more important than whether he can crack a few joke or give great press conferences. Brian Kerr gave a great 1st press conference
17/01/2006, 10:25 AM
jockser

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Originally Posted by Peadar

Was anyone else bored to tears listening to him?

I hope the plan is to have Bobby in our dressing room, giving the team talk and Stan in the opposition dressing room, putting them to sleep.

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Some of us think there's more to being a manager than having played a lot of games.
You obviously come from the same school of thought as John Delaney, which gives your opinion a zero rating in my book.

LOL well seeing as this is your "insight" into football i couldnt give a toss to your opinion either lad :D
17/01/2006, 10:27 AM
beautifulrock

"some of us think there's more to being a manager than having played a lot of games.
You obviously come from the same school of thought as John Delaney, which gives your opinion a zero rating in my book."

I agree that there is indeed more to a manager than having played a lot of games. However, I do not put his public speaking performance top or any where near top of that list. Did you ever hear Bob Paisley, Kenny Dalglish even Fergie in his early years.
17/01/2006, 10:27 AM
Peadar

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Originally Posted by jockser

LOL well seeing as this is your "insight" into football...

The appointment of Stan clearly had nothing to do with insight into football. You're on the side of John Delaney and therefore against the majority of people on here, "lad"!
17/01/2006, 10:30 AM
jockser

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Well to be fair to jockser I think he was making the point that some people put public speaking as one of the main credentials you need to be a top class manager. There is no doubt that Bobby Robson was fare more comfortable infront of the media than Stan was. But by all accounts from the journalists on the Hub last night, the minute he did one on one interviews Staunton was very talkative and informative. The players certainly responded to him in 2002 as that team was pretty average without keane but Staunton showed leadership skills after the debacle of Saipan. I think that is more important than whether he can crack a few joke or give great press conferences. Brian Kerr gave a great 1st press conference

Exactly lad! i just couldnt have been bother to try explain that to some people in here though.....they want big performances at press conferences......
17/01/2006, 10:32 AM
Peadar

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Originally Posted by beautifulrock

I do not put his public speaking performance top or any where near top of that list.

If by some miracle, Stan knows something about coaching, he'll need to impart that knowledge onto the players. How do you expect him to do that!
For someone who speaks at a rate of 1 word per minute, he wont get much said during the halftime break.
17/01/2006, 10:34 AM
jockser

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Originally Posted by Peadar

The appointment of Stan clearly had nothing to do with insight into football. You're on the side of John Delaney and therefore against the majority of people on here, "lad"!

No but silly remarks on boring conferences are just that....silly
Im not on Delaneys side....i dont think stan is the best choice. I just commented on a few irrelevent comments on how stan will be as manager :rolleyes:
The fact you say im against the majority in here is again a bit silly "lad" isnt it.....
17/01/2006, 10:38 AM
jockser

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Originally Posted by Peadar

If by some miracle, Stan knows something about coaching, he'll need to impart that knowledge onto the players. How do you expect him to do that!
For someone who speaks at a rate of 1 word per minute, he wont get much said during the halftime break.

LOL thats just and ignoratant statement. You have no idea what Stan knows or doesnt know about coaching..... we will all just have to wait and see wont we. Your comment on him speaking at 1 word per minute is just silly again :D
17/01/2006, 10:53 AM
Den Perry

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Originally Posted by jockser

LOL thats just and ignoratant statement. You have no idea what Stan knows or doesnt know about coaching..... we will all just have to wait and see wont we. Your comment on him speaking at 1 word per minute is just silly again :D

What does "ignoratant" mean?
17/01/2006, 10:54 AM
beautifulrock

If by some miracle, Stan knows something about coaching, he'll need to impart that knowledge onto the players. How do you expect him to do that!
For someone who speaks at a rate of 1 word per minute, he wont get much said during the halftime break.

Peader, you know well there is a major difference between speaking at a press conference and speaking to your "peers" as our new boss will be doing most of the time. I still do not agree that public speaking and being a top class manager go hand in hand. However, I do agree that the need and ability to communicate is vital, from what I have seen so far I am reasonably confident that he can do it and do it well. Time will tell of course.
17/01/2006, 10:57 AM
jockser

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Originally Posted by Den Perry

What does "ignoratant" mean?

Oh God another one who points out typos....mybad!:rolleyes:
17/01/2006, 11:11 AM
Peadar

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Originally Posted by jockser

You have no idea what Stan knows or doesnt know about coaching...

I suppose you think that's acceptable, jockser Delaney, do you!

It's reasonable to hire a man for the national coaching job, even though no one knows the extent of his coaching knowledge/ability!

He had his chance to alay our fears somewhat, in the press conference yesterday but what do we get?!
Some tripe taken straight out of the George W. Bush book of sh�te.

"I'm the boss. I'm the gaffer. At the end of the day what I say goes, the buck stops with me."
17/01/2006, 11:34 AM
Stuttgart88

I'll be waiting to see if performances pick up before I make any real judgments, but I thought the press conf was OK. Certainly no further reason for any doubts anyone may have had beforehand. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, not reading the recipe.
17/01/2006, 11:57 AM
jockser

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Originally Posted by Peadar

It's reasonable to hire a man for the national coaching job, even though no one knows the extent of his coaching knowledge/ability!

i dunno ....ask marco van basten.
Can you not just give it a rest until we see the performances and then make your mind up instead of making judgements from press conferences?

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I'll be waiting to see if performances pick up before I make any real judgments, but I thought the press conf was OK. Certainly no further reason for any doubts anyone may have had beforehand. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, not reading the recipe.

Well said sir! Lets give Staunton and his team a chance!
17/01/2006, 12:07 PM
colster

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Originally Posted by Peadar

He had his chance to alay our fears somewhat, in the press conference yesterday but what do we get?!
Some tripe taken straight out of the George W. Bush book of sh�te.

"I'm the boss. I'm the gaffer. At the end of the day what I say goes, the buck stops with me."

What could he have said to allay your fears exactly?
The Press Conference was just a PR formality/courtesy. It was no different to any other similar conference I've heard.
17/01/2006, 12:21 PM
Peadar

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Originally Posted by colster

What could he have said to allay your fears exactly?

"I'm not up to the job. Bobby is going to run the show until a qualified coach can be secured."

Something along those lines might have done the trick.
17/01/2006, 12:39 PM
Jerry The Saint

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I'll be waiting to see if performances pick up before I make any real judgments, but I thought the press conf was OK. Certainly no further reason for any doubts anyone may have had beforehand. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, not reading the recipe.

I don't know about you but I'd be reluctant to eat the first pudding ever made by someone with zero pudding-making experience....
17/01/2006, 12:42 PM
jockser

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Originally Posted by Peadar

"I'm not up to the job. Bobby is going to run the show until a qualified coach can be secured."

Something along those lines might have done the trick.

Pathetic
17/01/2006, 12:45 PM
Stuttgart88

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Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint

I don't know about you but I'd be reluctant to eat the first pudding ever made by someone with zero pudding-making experience....

Not sure you've any choice now though Jerry. I'll get you a napkin. I know you're a big Kerr fan but I think the last pudding didn't taste too good at the end. Time for a new baker & this is the one we've hired. I promise I'll discontinue this metaphor now :)
17/01/2006, 12:50 PM
OwlsFan

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Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint

I don't know about you but I'd be reluctant to eat the first pudding ever made by someone with zero pudding-making experience....

What if I've watched various people make a pudding 102 times - would you still not eat it ?
17/01/2006, 12:56 PM
beautifulrock

and he has either watched or helped with the pudding for the last twenty years.
17/01/2006, 1:00 PM
eirebhoy

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Ok I will hold up my hands and say that I am an optimist by nature so I dont buy all stuff from the doom and gloom merchants.

However I will admit that when the news first broke about Staunton and Robson as the managerial team I was underwhelmed and a little dissappointed. Maybe I thought that O Neill was a realistic choice but that always had to be dealt with tactfully. It seems clear that Delaney wanted an Irish man in charge which I dont have a problem with to be honest and its something that Robson said was important at the press conference today. It also seems that Delaney as gone down the road that the Welsh, Dutch, German Bulgarian FA have gone down in recent times.

It also seems from reading various articles that Staunton is widely respected in the game for his leadership, organisational motivational skills and for this footballing intelligence. This is backed up by a mixed bag of people, some who I respect and some who I don't. Read John Giles, Andy Gray, Niall Quinn, Liam Brady, Tony Cascarino, Ray Houghton, Andy Townsend, John Aldridge, Ron Atkinson. There is no doubt he has the experience at playing at major tournaments just like Van Basten and Klinsman have and at top teams. Liverpool would have had a good chance of winning the European cup in 88, 89 if they were not banned from Europe. Staunton has played in 3 different positions at 3 different world cups which does show that he is versatile and adaptable but it also gives him an appreciation for various positions and a good tactical knowledge around the pitch.

Therefore taking all of the above into account I think he deserves the backing of the fans. Backing staunton and the team does neccessarily mean you are backing Delaney or the FAI. It is possible to seperate the two. I have disdain for the way the FAI have gone about things over the last 20 years and possible before that but I was too young to realise. They have done a few good things but not that much. However that does not stop me for supporting the team home and away and getting behind the players and manager.

It seems pretty clear now that Staunton is the man in charge and that Robson is his assistant in everything but name. If this is the case well then I suppose Robson is a higher calibre assistant than Hughton in relation to experience and tactical nous, and also we have to remember that Kerr and Hughton did not know each other either before they worked together for Ireland but no big hoo haa was created over that appointment. The reason for that is timing. I think if Staunton was announced as the the manager last week and today was the first we heard that he was going to have Robson as his assistant I think the reaction would have been different. But the drip feed through the media has damaged both the FAI and Staunton. However I think Staunton is a stubborn and surly character and is his own man so I dont think he will have a problem with what the media says.

I am hoping that Robson can give Staunton the kind of top level experience that both Kerr and Mc Carthy were lacking when they took the job first. I am also hoping that Staunton can bring back the passion that seemed to be lacking from the closing few months of the Kerr reign. ( I was a supporter of Kerr also)

All in all I am looking forward to the draw and the possible away trips and the big matches in Croke Park and hopefully some great competitive debuts for Doyle, Ireland, O Brien, Kelly in the next year or so.

Agree completely with this post.

Before yesterday's press conference I was completely against this appointment if Robson was only there to offer advice. Yesterday confirmed that Robson will be Stan's assistant though, or at least that's what Robson thinks. Robson said in the one-to-one interview with Setanta that he'll do anything Stan asks. He's been working on a training ground the last 35 years and has no problem doing that.

I don't think Stan had it in mind to get Robson employed as his assistant because he said in the press conference that Robson won't be involved in the lead up to games. I found that a bit odd. Robson used the word "assist" quite a few times and I'm certain he is thinking of himself as Stan's assistant. They need to sort out their roles though asap.

I believe Staunton will have the team motivated more than ever before. From what I read you'd go out and die for your country after Stan gave half time or pre match team talk. If something most people agree on about Kerr its that he didn't seem to really motivate the players. They never went out in the 2nd half and looked twice the team. If Stan can't motivate the players, nobody can.

The appointment of Kevin MacDonald seems a decent one too. I read/heard some punter/journalist saying he was suprised MacDonald hasn't been snapped up to manage an English club. His Aston Villa reserve team are 3rd in the league with the best defensive record. Bobby likes his teams to play fancy attacking football, MacDonald seems to make defense his priority, add that with Stan's motivational skills and whatever else he has in his locker it could be an excellent combination.
17/01/2006, 1:04 PM
Stuttgart88

Finland have just hired Roy Hodgson. For the firmly anti- Staunton / Robson camp: a better or worse choice than ours?
17/01/2006, 1:23 PM
OwlsFan

A waffler par excellance with lots of experience but little recent success. Reminds me of David Pleat.
17/01/2006, 1:37 PM
ken foree

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

I believe Staunton will have the team motivated more than ever before. From what I read you'd go out and die for your country after Stan gave half time or pre match team talk.

just curious eirebhoy, where did you read about this?
17/01/2006, 1:56 PM
eirebhoy

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Originally Posted by ken foree

just curious eirebhoy, where did you read about this?

Well, the words "die for your country" weren't used. :) I honestly can't remember where I read it, I've read so many articles the last week. Something I read in a paper yesterday was that 80% of people that replied to a poll were against the Stan appointment. No doubt they got the result from this thread:
http://foot.ie/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=483

That was in the Star so it just shows you what I'm reading. :)
17/01/2006, 3:53 PM
ken foree

thanks, i hope whoever wrote it has got it right anyway.
17/01/2006, 3:53 PM
nedder

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Not sure you've any choice now though Jerry. I'll get you a napkin. I know you're a big Kerr fan but I think the last pudding didn't taste too good at the end. Time for a new baker & this is the one we've hired. I promise I'll discontinue this metaphor now :)

Thats because the last baker was used to making Rice Krispie buns. Turned out he couldn't turn his talents for that into Pudding making.
Now we've got an expert on puddings who never actually had to make one all by himself ( luckily then that he has one of the most experienced pudding makers in the world with him) . I bet the pudding tastes as sweet as it can with the ingredients he's given.

Now, end of metaphors!!
17/01/2006, 4:01 PM
jockser

i like cake....
17/01/2006, 4:05 PM
geysir

I have just had a look at the press conf.
It's first time I have heard Stan talk for longer than 10 words. The lad absolutely knows no fear. He believes he has a good deal more to offer the team apart from motivation.
Its clear that himself and Bobby did not spend much time beforehand defining responsibilities. They both look mature enough to establish acceptable boundaries but it will be Stan who defines Bobby's role. Judging by my wife's favorable response, Stan is already a hit with the housewives.
17/01/2006, 4:10 PM
Peadar

I just know John Delaney will be left with egg on his face and it wont be from licking the mixing bowl.

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Originally Posted by geysir

Judging by my wife's favorable response, Stan is already a hit with the housewives.

That doesn't say much for you.
17/01/2006, 5:01 PM
geysir

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Originally Posted by Peadar

That doesn't say much for you.

I wouldn't be too sure about that Peadar, it could be your judgement has been tainted by repeated readings of the Stephen Carr autobiography 'my life as a grouch'.
17/01/2006, 5:14 PM
Greenbod

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Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint

I don't know about you but I'd be reluctant to eat the first pudding ever made by someone with zero pudding-making experience....

Chicken!;)

You could miss out on the chance to be the first to eat the best pudding ever made.
17/01/2006, 9:28 PM
klein4

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Originally Posted by Greenbod

Chicken!;)

You could miss out on the chance to be the first to eat the best pudding ever made.

please god your right....
18/01/2006, 3:37 AM
Marked Man

mmmmmm.... pudding....
18/01/2006, 8:48 AM
Peadar

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Originally Posted by geysir

I wouldn't be too sure about that Peadar

I've done a quick survey of the girls in the office and not one them finds Staunton particularly attractive.

When Pat Dolan was appointed manager of Cork City FC, I voiced my disapproval and then went about supporting my club as normal. Before long he had come undone and the right man was given the job.

I'm going to employ the same strategy with Staunton but will take no pleasure from his failings.
18/01/2006, 8:58 AM
Dublin12

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Originally Posted by Peadar

I've done a quick survey of the girls in the office and not one them finds Staunton particularly attractive.

They must be batting for the opposition then:D ,he's loaded,name me one women that doesn't find that attractive,even a ginger can have his day you know:)
18/01/2006, 9:06 AM
Peadar

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Originally Posted by Dublin12

he's loaded,name me one women that doesn't find that attractive

They went purely on looks because most of them know nothing about him.
From what they've seen and heard on TV lately, they wouldn't give him a second look.

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