Jason Byrne now on again - Set to sign in Jan

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20/12/2005, 2:33 PM
Macy

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Originally Posted by pete

Bray are probably comfortable as they don't show any ambition.

Says a supporter of a team that has let 3 of the best young players in the league walk away for just over �100,000 combined. :rolleyes: Bray have nearly got that off Shels for Byrne already....
20/12/2005, 2:36 PM
Roo69

and that fact that we got nearly for for loaning Zayed out for just 8 weeks as well..........
20/12/2005, 2:36 PM
KR's Post

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macy

Says a supporter of a team that has let 3 of the best young players in the league walk away for just over �100,000 combined. :rolleyes: Bray have nearly got that off Shels for Byrne already....

Exactly! Cork ego once again!
20/12/2005, 3:03 PM
WeAreRovers

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

I refuse to believe any eL club can clear that much debt that quickly.

We did, it's quite simple really. From �2.8m to �0 in the space of time it takes a judge to bang his gavel. ;)

KOH
20/12/2005, 5:33 PM
EnDai

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Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

We did, it's quite simple really. From �2.8m to �0 in the space of time it takes a judge to bang his gavel. ;)

KOH

Rofl! :D
20/12/2005, 6:35 PM
Slash/ED

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Originally Posted by bigmac

Yeah, perhaps the real point of warning is that in most cases, a 50% sell on clause could turn out to be worthless as it realistically acts as a deterrent to selling someone on.

That's an excellent point imo. A smaller clause in future for any club could get you more money as with 50% it's going to take an absolutley huge offer for Shels to let him go, and in other cases with a clause that big it would be a similar story. The clause being so big could ultimately cost you alot of money.
20/12/2005, 6:43 PM
ihatejam

no you see its all about shels being too stingey and not letting jayo go onto bigger and better things..theres no two ways about it..that waster ollie byrne messed up a big move for jayo.if anyone deserved it it was him,and some big fat mess got in the way of that,im sure jayo "accepted" it well..
20/12/2005, 6:45 PM
Slash/ED

Yeah we should have let him go on a free if anyting. Paid for his flights over and threw a big going away party for him. Sure we don't want to stand in his way.
20/12/2005, 6:50 PM
ihatejam

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Originally Posted by Slash/ED

Yeah we should have let him go on a free if anyting. Paid for his flights over and threw a big going away party for him. Sure we don't want to stand in his way.

now your just being a stupid shels fan..im sure if you asked him he'd tell you what he'd want to do..and thats leave and go...
20/12/2005, 6:52 PM
Slash/ED

I don't care if he wants to go, we're not a f*cking charity. If he wants go he'll wait until we agree a fee like every footballer at a club not in Ireland.
20/12/2005, 9:52 PM
Vitruvian Man

Is anybody with me in thinking that Shels have been punished for their own short sightedness / lack of ambition.

A 50% sell-on clause is an outrageous clause to agree to and it suggests to me that when Shels signed Byrne they were of the opinion that he would not ever be worth a huge heap of money.

Therefore they were probably thinking they were "doing" Bray at the time by offering 50% of nothing, as they saw it, instead of a bigger transfer fee.
20/12/2005, 10:27 PM
Slash/ED

I'd say it was more a case of Byrne being chased by pratically every club in the league so had all the power in the negociations.
20/12/2005, 11:16 PM
Student Mullet

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Originally Posted by pete

Bray are probably comfortable as they don't show any ambition. They have massive catchment area in south dublin & have as much potential as most dublin clubs. The Carlisle grounds haven't been improived in 10 years either so 100k might have bought at roof or replaced the grass with concrete...?

And they took a point home from Cork last season so should be thrown out of the league for holding a bigger club back.
20/12/2005, 11:19 PM
sniffa

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Originally Posted by pete

Bray are probably comfortable as they don't show any ambition. They have massive catchment area in south dublin & have as much potential as most dublin clubs. The Carlisle grounds haven't been improived in 10 years either so 100k might have bought at roof or replaced the grass with concrete...?

In 10 years????? You must be joking! Nearly 90 years....just ask Michael Collins. :D :D :D
21/12/2005, 10:33 AM
NY Hoop

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Originally Posted by Vitruvian Man

Is anybody with me in thinking that Shels have been punished for their own short sightedness / lack of ambition.

A 50% sell-on clause is an outrageous clause to agree to and it suggests to me that when Shels signed Byrne they were of the opinion that he would not ever be worth a huge heap of money.

Therefore they were probably thinking they were "doing" Bray at the time by offering 50% of nothing, as they saw it, instead of a bigger transfer fee.

Agree with that. Byrne was not sold cos oily couldnt stomach handing over �200,000 to Bray. In effect this would mean that Byrne will not be going anywhere and his career will not progress cos oily wont part with 50%. Truly he is scum.

KOH
21/12/2005, 10:58 AM
Raheny Red

Yes he is scum for not selling the best palyer in the eL for a paltry �200,000 :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
21/12/2005, 11:23 AM
NY Hoop

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Originally Posted by Raheny Red

Yes he is scum for not selling the best palyer in the eL for a paltry �200,000 :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

He's scum cos he's holding back Byrnes career.

KOH
21/12/2005, 12:15 PM
Raheny Red

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NY Hoop wrote:

He's scum cos he's holding back Byrnes career.

If I was in Oily's shoes I'd do the same. If I had the chance to hold back the best player in the eL I'd do it at all costs!!

I want the best for Shels not the best for one player!!
21/12/2005, 12:23 PM
Macy

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Originally Posted by Raheny Red

Yes he is scum for not selling the best palyer in the eL for a paltry �200,000 :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

He'd be selling him �400,000. It's because of the deal Byrne signed that shels would only make �200,000 - that's his fault only.
22/12/2005, 1:37 AM
Slash/ED

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Originally Posted by Macy

He'd be selling him �400,000. It's because of the deal Byrne signed that shels would only make �200,000 - that's his fault only.

Something which is entirely irrelevent to the discussion, Olly values Byrne higher than 200,000 ergo he is scum. Good lord I love foot.ie.
22/12/2005, 8:20 AM
ifk101

According to Aftonbladet today the Byrne transfer is still on and it will be completed after Christmas.
22/12/2005, 8:25 AM
Macy

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Originally Posted by Slash/ED

Something which is entirely irrelevent to the discussion, Olly values Byrne higher than 200,000 ergo he is scum. Good lord I love foot.ie.

Can I just point out I didn't actually call him scum (on this one anyway :D ).
22/12/2005, 10:29 AM
EnDai

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Originally Posted by Thomas (Stockholm) - on Shelsweb

Here�s a translation for you from todays article in Sportbladet:

"Byrne goes to DIF - for 4 millions

Jason Byrne, 27, ends up in Djurg�rden.
The clubs have agreed on a transfer fee on 4 millions and the player himself wants to go to the club.

Sportbladet earlier have written about Djurg�rdens interest for the irish striker. According to new information only details remains before everthing is settled because the clubs now practically have agreed a deal.
- It will be solved, says a source with insight into the negotiations.
The deal is expected to be definitely settled some time after christmas.

Topscorer
Jason Byrne, 27, is a big and powerfull striker who has scored lots of goals for the irish topclub Shelbourne FC. The last season he ended up as topscorer in the irish league on 25 goals. In 2004 he made his national team debut against Poland.
– He�s big, strong and fast and a good goalgetter. A rather complete player and a good guy, says Djurg�rdens manager Kjell Jonevret."

That'd be a nice sight! :D €4,000,000, Bray'd be delighted too me thinks. Lol :) News is also expected from pat Fenlon today about transfer speculations etc, so perhaps its not all nonsense, as the timing conincides perfectly!

//edit:

If its meant to be 4,000,000SEK (Swedish Kroner), then courtosey of www.xe.com/ucc we get:

4,000,000.00 SEK = 424,142.05 EUR , which is nowhere near what I'd initially hoped!
22/12/2005, 1:02 PM
Vitruvian Man

Assuming the transfer goes ahead and assuming that Bray get their 50%.

How much of the 212'000 does Devlin get to put into his pocket. That kind of money could possibly get Bray into Europe if spent on players.
22/12/2005, 1:59 PM
James

all over swedish press the deals going ahead for 4million swedish sheckles or 430k euros

my swedish isnt the best but thats what im getting from this story

http://www.fotbolldirekt.com/IndexNews.cfm?ID=18367
22/12/2005, 4:09 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by Vitruvian Man

That kind of money could possibly get Bray into Europe if spent on players.

I doubt it, to be honest. You have to be very careful when you get a windfall like that - no point spending it all on players this year because you won't have the money next year. However, even transferring E100k to to development fund/paying off E100k of debts and then increasing the wages budget by E25k a year for the next four years would be a big boost for them (or any small club).
22/12/2005, 4:19 PM
OneRedArmy

In any sensible League Bray would be forced to invest the money in infrastructure improvements to their inadequate facilities.

Therefore I agree they'll probably blow it all on players in the usual display of EL boom-bust short-termism...........
22/12/2005, 4:20 PM
sligoman

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Originally Posted by EnDai

That'd be a nice sight! �4,000,000, Bray'd be delighted too me thinks. Lol :) News is also expected from pat Fenlon today about transfer speculations etc, so perhaps its not all nonsense, as the timing conincides perfectly!

//edit:

If its meant to be 4,000,000SEK (Swedish Kroner), then courtosey of www.xe.com/ucc we get:

4,000,000.00 SEK = 424,142.05 EUR , which is nowhere near what I'd initially hoped!

Jaysus, before you edited that I was shocked. �4 million for Byrne? Not a hope:D. �400,00 for him? Fair enough;).
23/12/2005, 9:04 AM
Ronnie

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Originally Posted by Vitruvian Man

Assuming the transfer goes ahead and assuming that Bray get their 50%.

How much of the 212'000 does Devlin get to put into his pocket. That kind of money could possibly get Bray into Europe if spent on players.

Very interesting point. Bray won't actually get half the transfer fee. Pat Devlin has to get his cut and the player didn't ask for a transfer so he's entitled to a cut also. Just as well Bray had a 50% clause otherwise they get **** all!
23/12/2005, 9:10 AM
paudie

Would be interesting to come up against Jason Byrne playing for Djurgarden in the CL qualiying rounds next year.
23/12/2005, 9:20 AM
SeanDrog

hang on did I read that right - Pat Delvin has to get his cut - this suggests (correct me if I am wrong) that he acted as the agent to Byrne while also being his manager??? surely thats not legal and if it is surely its a serious conflict of interests.
23/12/2005, 9:44 AM
Strabane_Harp

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Originally Posted by Ronnie

Very interesting point. Bray won't actually get half the transfer fee. Pat Devlin has to get his cut and the player didn't ask for a transfer so he's entitled to a cut also. Just as well Bray had a 50% clause otherwise they get **** all!

Ronnie its up to the buying club to pay Signing on and agents fee unless the club asked the agent to tout him
23/12/2005, 9:50 AM
Ronnie

Pat Devlin is an agent as well as a manager, just conincidental that the player in question was also with the team he managed. You wouldn't be surprised to hear he gets a cut if Duff was transferred from Chelsea? Same thing really.
23/12/2005, 9:58 AM
Macy

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Originally Posted by Ronnie

Pat Devlin is an agent as well as a manager, just conincidental that the player in question was also with the team he managed. You wouldn't be surprised to hear he gets a cut if Duff was transferred from Chelsea? Same thing really.

In fairness to Devlin (never thought I'd say that :eek: ) if he got the 50% clause in for Bray then fair fooks. Only a problem if he was involved in negotiating Bray to take a reduced cut of it to make sure the transfer went through imo. After Duff's last few transfers, doubt he's that arsed with the amount he'd get from Byrne - 10% of €400,000 compared with 10% of stg 17,000,000, if he's even representing him.
23/12/2005, 10:25 AM
Block G Raptor

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Fair play to Shels. About time the word "no" entered the vocabulary of Irish clubs in transfer negotiations.

Let's hope other clubs take note/confidence from this.

couldn't have put it better my self
About time clubs grew a set and stood up to the english clubs gleefully rubbing their hands while looking across the Irish sea for some easy pickings
23/12/2005, 11:10 AM
BrayZil

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Originally Posted by Vitruvian Man

Assuming the transfer goes ahead and assuming that Bray get their 50%.

How much of the 212'000 does Devlin get to put into his pocket. That kind of money could possibly get Bray into Europe if spent on players.

Devo won't be putting any of the money in his pocket. The money goes to the club and will be spent on replacing the old stand with a new stand.
24/12/2005, 8:09 AM
pete

In any other country it would be illegal for a manager to be an unofficial unregulated "advisor" (agent without the registration) for player in same club that you are manager of.

:rolleyes:

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