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I dont think it will be particularly easy for rovers to get promoted next season if the current format prevails. they were dreadful towards the end of the season and the current team would not get promoted. galway united should be gearing towards a promotion push next season and harps will be up there too. they deserved to be relegated and i think they overestimate there importance some what, in my 11 years of watching league of ireland they have never been anything special.
Very good point.Rovers won't find it easy to go straight up.I mean they lost to Dublin who we comfortably hammered 2 times this year and if only for a bad start would have finished ahead of them.Then aswell as us Harps and Shams there is Kilkenny,Limerick,Dundalk and cobh....so it's gonna be atough year next year......can't wait though...finally 2 away supports in Terryland!
Absolute bóllox. Clubs get promoted, win relegation, win leagues, qualify for Europe ON GAMES WON AND POINTS WON - therefore Dublin City do deserve to be in the top flight. If you had your way, the top 12 supported clubs would be there and there would be no point in playing football every year.Quote:
They will bring nothing - repeat, NOTHING to the Premiership.
We've swopped one Homeless Dublin-based club run by fans and with decent support for another homeless Dublin-based club run by a delusional **** and with absurdly little support. I challenge any Dublin City fan to tell me how that is good for the Premier division. You are the Milton Keynes Dons of Ireland - unloved, unwanted, and unlikely to survive beyond the short-to-medium term.
If a chain is only as strong as its weakest link, then the Premier Division of the Eircom League just got a whole lot weaker...
On the positive side, I suspect this will be the base-line Year Zero for Rovers. Things can only get better from here. Finish Tallaght and get out of the graveyard league asap.
A bad day for our league...
As a football fan I am torn. Its a great laugh that Rovers are down, but on the negative side looking for those fixtures when they come out was always number 1. If the format stays the same then we won't have 3 derbies against them, instead against Dublin City, and thats almost a pain worse than death. However as a fan to see your biggest rivals go down is amusing.
In a way I think its fair also. Rovers while not the current board, but the club have gained from spending money they never had. Pats recently did a deal with the revenue and will have to repay all their liability, my club probably the same. Rovers get a chance to restart and if it works for them they will be better off in the long run. And before anyone says it was the old board thats how football the world works, it was the leeds/Napoli/Marseile/Swindon/Fiorentia boards but the fans suffer. When it happens to us, and it will, we will suffer.
I agree that DC offer nothing to the league, although I do admire Seery who has not stopped trying. His devotion to the cause is a lesson to us all and he has achieved this almost on his own. Also times change what were big clubs no longer are. Look at the UK, anyone want to argue that Burnley or Blackpool are bigger than Chelsea cause they won more in the past? Rovers could not win even one of the games so on the pitch they went down.
I doubt it rumours are they want to go back to 10 teams for the 2007 season so if its stays 12 teams this year it could be 3 down and 1 up. Although they may go to 22 teams for next season and the top 10 making the 2007 season. Only in Ireland could they not have decided the league for next year yet :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogue Trader
Was at the game witha few pats fans. Bohs and shels fans either side of it. No trouble and all wanting the same thing. A great day for irish football when that happens...
Absolutely terrible game. Neither side deserved to be in the premier.
Lets just hope DC are relagated next year and replaced by Harps, Limerick, Galway, Athlone or Cobh.
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Originally Posted by sfc red
Mine refuse point blank to waste good Nintendo time on CHF, and I will only be going as penance.
I think all teams in the Premier Division have lost a big fixture in their calender for next season. It's sad to see Rovers going down, especially when it's that joke of a club coming up in their place. From a Cork City perspective Cork City Vs Dublin City won't attract the same crowd as Cork City Vs Shamrock Rovers would have. That is how it will affect every single club in the premier Division.
But on a positive note, I think Rovers will add to the First Division next year.
Our league would be pretty boring if we knew who was going down every year. No club should be untouchable and think they are above relegation. I think it is time for Rovers to take stock, iron things out, and put everything into getting back into the premier (without bankrupting the club that is).
Congratulaions to Dublin City and especially to Ben Whelehan - a very good player who the Blues would have liked to have kept had it not been for work commitments. I saw Rocky yesterday afternoon and wished him luck. That must've been what swung it for them!
I think ambivalent is the word that describes how I felt. Rovers offer more to the Premier, they're one of our biggest home gates and it would have been good for supporter-power if the 400 Club had kept them up. On the other hand, DC won fair and square, it'll be great for the First Division in terms of bigger gates and media interest and I don't rememeber too many Rovers fans shedding tears when we were relegated - or Dundalk or Shels for that matter.
The vultures will be circling now. Barry Murphy is too good for the First Division. Will Molloy, Shelley, Rutherford, McDonagh, McDonnell leave? Where will Rovers play next year? Santry?
I feel sorry for genuine Rovers fans. Their season was a lot like ours with every kind of sh*t thrown at them. Thank God we had Pat Dolan not Roddy Collins. Keep the heads up and build on the good work done off the field this year.
Yeah, I agree with Bluemovie for the most part, and all those people going around saying it's bad for the league, FFS they're still in the league! The league doesn't stop after the 12th team in the premier you know. They failed to stay up on the pitch and to be perfectly frank, once we were safe I don't give a toss who goes down.
I said Dublin City deserved to be there on merit. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by sfc red
But let me put it this way - imagine Dublin City didn't currently exist, and a team decided to drop out of the EL. Then imagine there were 2 candidates to replace that team - one being Dublin City, with no history or historical support at all, no hinterland from which to attempt to generate such support, no ground of their own and no plans to evn get one. Then imagine the oteh team was - well, pretty much ANYONE ! Even other Dublin clubs like Bellevue (who have access rights to Tolka). Given the choice between adding a Dublin City to our league, or pretty much any other club - what do you think the EL/FAI would decide to do ? If we're being honest with ourselves, we know the answer. And that says it all to me really - literally ANy other team would be considered to contribute more to Irish football in particular, and the Premier Division in general, than Dublin City.
If only Seery hadn't 'bought' the Home Farm franchise and stopped the EL/FAI from making the obvious choice outlined above....
But the league is only as strong as its weakest club. Dublin City weren't the weakest team on the pitch - Rovers were. But off it, I'd say they are by far the weakest team to play in the Premier. No history, no fans, no hinterland, no ground, and no plans to get one. Could it contribute any less....?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigmac
No outstanding debts, forward thinking board, good young squad... Its all relative steve. IMO opinion they've as much claim to be a premier club as UCD.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Worms ... Open .... Can !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Lads Dublin City are promated because they deserve to be. If they didn't deserve it they wouldn't be there. We'll just have to take it. one of the main reasons people aren't happy that Dublin City are up is because they don't have too many fans. Thats no bodys fault. Its just people don't come to games and no one can forse a person to do so. Us fans go to cheer on our beloved teams wheather its Cork City, Shelbourne, St. Pats, Bohs and so on, because we want to support our local team. Most of Irelands soccer supporters cheer on a Premiership club I do myself or a Scottish Club. We can't changed people opians on what they think of the LOI. People are giving out about Dublin City only having crowds of about 50-100. Its not their fault. Its happening to U.C.D too. So theirs no point of giving out about Dublin City being in the Premier Division because its not going to change anything.
Am I right with all the above???
I think this particular monument to idiocy speaks eloquently enough for itself without further comment on my part.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
The comparison with MK Dons is a telling one. Essentially a parallel is being drawn with a scenario whereby a club from an allegedly over-represented captial city, with negligible support and no fixed abode - nothing, in fact, save for a modicum of success on the field - was deposed in favour of a club with a wide, untapped catchment area, ambitious, well-resourced owners and well-advanced plans to construct a modern stadium. Basically the wet dream of every dribbling buffoon who recites the same hoary rhetoric in indictment of Dublin City. Congratulations, you just became inextricably trapped in your own logic to an extent that I never considered possible.
It's also intriguing to note that the imbeciles who bleat incessantly about "franchises" are invariably the same morons who wish to preserve in aspic some alleged optimal configuration of clubs for all eternity (the very epitome of the American franchise concept.)
I'm also deriving considerable amusement from this notion that Dublin City FC have gatecrashed some sacrosanct, inviolate entity known as the eircom League. The eircom League is a shambles. It's a shambles because those who have exercised dominion over it (i.e., the "big" clubs) have allowed it to degenerate into a shambles. If any supporter of Shamrock Rovers, Derry City or whomever wishes to point fingers at those who have trailed the name of domestic football through the mud, all I can say is that I hope they have in their possession a serviceable mirror.
Speaking of which, the FAI and Setanta Sports were by all accounts dumbfounded at the extent and professionalism of the co-operation in staging and televising the game at such exiguously short notice afforded them by Dublin City. Which begs the question, what have the rest of you been doing to them all season, and what kind of impression have you left?
Let them. The High Court will impose the correct UEFA Licence punishment which was to be refused a licence to play in the league in the first place. There'll be no appeal. Had Rovers won the play-off, though, there's no doubt Seery would have whined, as he did the last time when he held up the Longford-Harps play-off by about a week.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
True, every day I aspire for my club to reach the level of professionalism and plans for the future that Dublin City have. Between plans for the building of a stadium and attaining a sustainable amount of fans, how will we ever get to the same level as the Dinosaur of Irish football that is Seery's ego trip!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
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Originally Posted by Soko
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Originally Posted by dodge
From 23/11:
Pay attention in future! :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
when i see shams in the 1st division section it doesnt seem right!
I'm just quoting one part of your eloquent rebuttal. What I want to know is - are you Damien Richardson in disguise??:eek: Very, very Ricospeak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
So Seery bent over backwards to be accomodating to a TV company that uses Tolka as it's own personal football ground, and to get his club on TV for the first time ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
Do you expect him to given a medal for that?
Not being funny Sheridan, most clubs have to give notice to their fans of a time change. Most clubs cant just start playing with the start times as it effects a big number of people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
Yes Please !:DQuote:
Originally Posted by B-Stand
Bye Bye Rovers a truely great day for Irish Football
hope they dissapear now and take their scumbag hooligans with them
Cant speak for the entire rovers fan base but I for one congratulate ICBINHF on their promotion to the premier division, football is about what happens on the pitch first & foremost.
Personally I have accepted the fact we've been relegated & do you know what? compared to the alternatives we as a club faced a few short months ago its not as bad as expected! Dont get me wrong its not nice, but its not the end of the world either! Our board have planned for this scenario (it would have been negligent not to) & have a business & overall development plan to help provide our new manager with the resources to challenge for an immediate return, i say challenge because there are no certainties in football & i do believe it may be a shock for the club & supporters if its as bad as described here!!
As for the fans of the Premier division teams we've left behind, well your comments are welcome whether they be positive or negative, thats football rivalry! Part & parcel of the game!! Relegation is a set back for the overall development of the club, not a mortal blow as some would hope, we've taken on the chin all the crap that could be flung & we're still here, survival as a club comes first!!
The first division promises to be an experience, of that there can be no doubts, only time will tell whether that be a good or bad one though! Either way there'll be a few of us there to share that experience!!
Koh
Sorry to see rovers go down but just like ourselves they'll be back:)
Good post DvB.
I stated my belief that - in the hypothetical situation that the FAI/EL had to choose between giving a new/vacant EL place to Dublin City, or ANY other club - I firmly believe the chances are that almost any other club in the country would be deemed to be in a stronger position and offer more to the league. I stand by that assertion, and gave a variety of reasons why I believe it would be the case. You disagree with me, but have given no reasons - choosing only to abuse me. Is that because your view is unsupportable...?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
There are indeed parallels between Dublin City and the MK Dons - but not the ones you chose to make. Firstly, Wimbledon were not "deposed". The same club was moved 90miles away, and completely changed. There was no 'removal' of Wimbledon, and no effort by the MK Consortium to gain a league place through the traditional route to on-field progression. Similar, in fact, to how Seery began executing his pipe-dream...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
The key reason given for Wimbledon's move was their continual inability to find a site for a new stadium within their locality, not the view that they were in an over-represented capital city (in actual fact - south-west London is the only part of the capital that DOESN'T have a senior football team, even though it has a very large and relatively well-off population.). They did have a fan-base worth speaking of before they moved to Selhurst, and at least they were making ostensible attempts to find a ground. And the MK Dons are not financially stable - they are entirely dependent upon the finanical support of their main owner (Pete Winkelman), along with the other members of his consortium. If they pull the plug, the club will die in a matter of weeks.
No - in fact, the real comparison with the Dirty Dons is primarily one of a slightly deranged businessman taking over an existing football club with history and a traditional heartland, changing it's name, location, colours etc (i.e. it's heritage), and throwing money at it in the deperate pursuit of a pipe dream. As with MK Dons, Dublin City have failed miserably to capture the imagination of the general public - creating an unsustainable financial entity that will at some stage have to face the fact that it'll never be able to compete effectively without the public support required to boost its incomes. Both Continuity Home Farm and the MK Dons have a very hard crash-landing awaiting at some point in the future. Two clubs with no history, no fan-base and no traditional roots to tap into to create one, no ground of their own, who are entirely reliant upon the ongoing generosity of a small number of people for their day-to-day financial existence. Give me the evidence to suggest anything other than a crash-landing is therefore on the cards......
Over the two legs we dont deserve to be in the premier. Gypos laugh it up cos the full consequences will only hit you when CHF bring their one man and his drum show next season. Shels fans whinging about "hoolie" problems:rolleyes: Yeah like you never invade a pitch. Ask your convicted criminal CEO who he'd prefer in the premier.
There will be NO High Court challenge on the 8 points.
4tothefloor: Rovers on the other hand are a good club with a great history, who are striving to do their best to get themselves back in order after years of mismanagement. Granted a lot of their fans are scumbags, but a lot of them are also among the most dedicated in Europe and the 400club is evidence of that. I'd take them anyday over Irelands version of MK Dons (minus the fans). Dublin City are no addition to the premier, so I can't see how tonight is good for the league.....
Agree but "a lot" of our fans are not scumbags.
Poor Student: Rovers don't even bring anything to Belfield. Last time they barely even brought any fans.
It was a meaningless game and we brought more than CHF will ever bring.
B-Stand: They're down now, they have the to earn the right to be back up with the BIG CLUB & Co.
Thanks for the laugh:D
Slash/Ed: To clubs outside Dublin they'll barely notice the difference except maybe Cork who seem to have a bit of a rivalry with them that can boost gates.
Rubbish. What about sligo? Read Eamon Sweeney's article in yesterdays sindo. Every treasurer will miss us cos even in the unlikely event we dont bring numbers the name itself always attracts more.
Shedhead: Sligo bring alot more to the premier then shams. Firstly a ground and better support. lets see how much of these "loyal" fans pay into 1st div games next year.
Keep telling yourself that. Nobody really noticed when you got relegated. You bring more when you're winning granted but when you're losing CHF will bring more. Sligo have the biggest part time support in the league. We will be there next season as per usual.
Block G Raptor: take their scumbag hooligans with them.
Pot, kettle, black:rolleyes:
Lastly the format has not been decided for next season so a 22 team league is still a possibility! Not necessarily 42 league games as rumour has it they will split the league half way.
We'll take our oil as the nordies say and get on with it. Unlike CHF who have only stopped moaning about their relegation last year.
KOH
Over the two legs we dont deserve to be in the premier. Gypos laugh it up cos the full consequences will only hit you when CHF bring their one man and his drum show next season. Shels fans whinging about "hoolie" problems:rolleyes: Yeah like you never invade a pitch. Ask your convicted criminal CEO who he'd prefer in the premier.
There will be NO High Court challenge on the 8 points.
4tothefloor: Rovers on the other hand are a good club with a great history, who are striving to do their best to get themselves back in order after years of mismanagement. Granted a lot of their fans are scumbags, but a lot of them are also among the most dedicated in Europe and the 400club is evidence of that. I'd take them anyday over Irelands version of MK Dons (minus the fans). Dublin City are no addition to the premier, so I can't see how tonight is good for the league.....
Agree but "a lot" of our fans are not scumbags.
Poor Student: Rovers don't even bring anything to Belfield. Last time they barely even brought any fans.
It was a meaningless game and we brought more than CHF will ever bring.
B-Stand: They're down now, they have the to earn the right to be back up with the BIG CLUB & Co.
Thanks for the laugh:D
Slash/Ed: To clubs outside Dublin they'll barely notice the difference except maybe Cork who seem to have a bit of a rivalry with them that can boost gates.
Rubbish. What about sligo? Read Eamon Sweeney's article in yesterdays sindo. Every treasurer will miss us cos even in the unlikely event we dont bring numbers the name itself always attracts more.
Shedhead: Sligo bring alot more to the premier then shams. Firstly a ground and better support. lets see how much of these "loyal" fans pay into 1st div games next year.
Keep telling yourself that. Nobody really noticed when you got relegated. You bring more when you're winning granted but when you're losing CHF will bring more. Sligo have the biggest part time support in the league. We will be there next season as per usual.
Block G Raptor: take their scumbag hooligans with them.
Pot, kettle, black:rolleyes:
Lastly the format has not been decided for next season so a 22 team league is still a possibility! Not necessarily 42 league games as rumour has it they will split the league half way.
We'll take our oil as the nordies say and get on with it. Unlike CHF who have only stopped moaning about their relegation last year.
KOH
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Originally Posted by NY Hoop
Ok Fair enough you can take our hoolies with you and all
How the hell do you manage to work that one out?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
By observing kid. In 1991 ye brought thousands to the RDS for a midweek Cup game. The following year when we were both in the bottom 6 of the premier ye brought 4 guys in a car. One of them was your programme seller.Quote:
Originally Posted by sligoman
Last time you were in the premier in 2000 we hammered you 3 times twice in Santry where on both occasions you again brought about a dozen fans.
So sligo have the biggest part time support in the league.
KOH
My point isn't about us against Shams, it's how can you say that when we're losing, Dublin City will bring more to the league?:confused: That is clearly not true! But then you haven't been to many FD matches so you wouldn't know what it's like.Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
Well if you read my post you will see that when things are going bad ye bring hardly any support. CHF have hardly any support so...........
Have been to first division games to see the real Connaught team:D
KOH
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Originally Posted by NY Hoop
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Originally Posted by NY Hoop