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Looks to me from the video that:
a). the defender keeps the ball in play (and clears it)
b). All I see is Kelly pointing at the spot as he comes back, not to the goal kick
c). It looks like the reason he goes over to the incident is to check whether the foul is inside or outside the area
No need to wait until tomorrow night, see here: http://www.stpatsfc.com/video.php
Socky collects the pass, goes down, the ball runs free, Rutherford clears it before it crosses the end line, meanwhile McDonnell belts Socky. The ball was still in play, therefore the peno was a correct decision.
Is this the Robbie Doyle penalty? Just looked at the video there - what's the relevance of the ball being kept in play? If the ball is in play when the foul is committed, then it's a penalty. Whether it's in play when the penalty is given - as some seem to be arguing - is irrelevant surely. Otherwise, you'd have a situation where whenever anybody cut in along the end line, a player would go through ball and man as the ref wouldn't have time to award a penalty before the ball goes out of play.
He definitely goes across to see where the foul was - I used to do that all the time when I was reffing. Better than guessing. There's no awarding of a goal-kick - though it might appear that way as the ref is pointing in much the same direction and the decision is so far after the foul. Can't really tell if it was a fould or not - the video jumps a bit - but if it was, it's a penalty.
Well in fairness, from where you watched the game, you could barely see a thing, never mind who was booked!!Quote:
Originally Posted by d f x-
Btw, all bias aside, their penalty was correct. I mean, is McDonnell insane? If you shove an attacking player in the box, you concede a penalty. We're chasing the game, clearing the danger, and he shoves his man in the box. It's a penalty, and a red card too. Ffs, what did he expect? :confused:
Yes, he did handle the ball deliberately. If it wasn't deliberate handball, the ref wouldn't have given the free kick. Maguire knew that if O'Connor went past him, it would be 1-1, handing us the initiative. 99 times out of 100, if you concede a free kick, by handling the ball outside the box, you're sent off. Instead of that, our player gets booked for dissent!! :mad:Quote:
Maguire did not deserve to be sent off. It wasn't deliberate handball it struck him on the arm
The incident changed the game. Instead of it been 1-1, and Pats down to 10 men, they go up the other end and score 5 minutes later, to seal their win. It should have been very different. :mad:
ok, watching the video gives a different perspective to live (great resource on your site, keep that up).
my bias was that kelly had ballsed up the other 3 or 4 key incidents.
maguire had to go, we should have had a penno (apparantly the linesman told the rovers crowd to '**** off' when they gave him stick for not flaging it). yiz are still jammy *******s!!!
1 free kick for the 1st goal Pats player played for the free
by backing in.
2 Definate sending off last man handles the ball preventing goalscoring
chance Kelly books Rovers player????And lets Maguire off!
3 Pats player takes a dive.Should have been a free out, Player Should have been booked! ball rolls towards the endline making it harder for rovers to clear
no advantage game should have been stopped for the free allowing Rovers to get out of there own half.Then McDonnell pushes? kicks? O Connor
Ref gives a penalty penalising Rovers becasue no advantage occured after the original dive.
Call me biased but I think its more to do with my hatred for that Anders Frisk wannabee for legal reason should remain fatherless!
Im always sick when i see hes refereeing one of our games because
he thinks the game is all about him and does his best to cause controversy
As far as I know, diving isn't a foul. Play should be allowed to continue and the player booked at the next stoppage. So you can't get a free out if an opponent dives.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoops1
The penalty wasn't given for the challange (I thought it was a foul at the time but looks like a dive on the video there), it was for the Rovers player kicking the Pats player after the ball had gone. The question is whether the ball was in play when that happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Which we know now, isn't in question.
We all know it wasnt a penalty for the dive!
But it should have been a free out for the dive
Assimilation is a free kick and as Rovers got no advantage from
playing on they should have been giving a free out for the first
offence and McDonell Red carded for striking out
Wasn't a dive. He fell. Huge dfference. he's not strong enough for this level yet
Comical:D
It was the furthest fall in the history of football so!:eek:
Well he's weighs nothing and it was windy...
dodge, im man enough to admit i called the peno wrong from my spot near the corner flag, so most of my posts on the peno are incorrect. proably because i was as far away from it as you were the handball incident....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
do us a favour and acknowledge you got very lucky with the other 3/4 key decisions.
that was a dive. there was a deliberate hand ball. there was a rovers peno against blunders ryan. that was a very dubious free in for the opener.
i remember about 5 years ago we played the sligs in the cup in tolka and tony o'down blatantly pulled down a bog rovers player in a 1 on 1 and got a yellow card. a farcical decision, and we were the first to admit it was.
1) Honestly would not have sent off Maguire. I don';t think it was delibarate handball
2) Don't remember Ryan pushing anyone. Seriously
3) Free kick was correct
4) Was definitely a dive. read the posts above, how could you not tell i was joking. As was oointed out above, you can't give a free kick for diving...
missed the game saw the tv3 highlights - a rovers player blocked a shot on the goal line with his hand in the highlights i saw...nothing given
so in summary: no big conspiracy - team in form beats team with no form and lack of discipline....? i think so
:eek:That's only fair I suppose:DQuote:
Originally Posted by hoops1
You're all starting to look very desparate if you think that Alan Kelly is a somewhat competent referee who has a bias in favour of Pats and start making a big deal about some decisions that he actually got spot on :confused:
To open another can of worms, what if SRFC had been deducted 14 points instead of the seemingly random 8 points, what if you'd been expelled from the Premier? You should concentrate on the fact that you're very lucky you still have survival in your own hands instead of looking for conspiracy theories to explain how you ended up in this position...
yeah, i recall pats being as philosophical about their point deduction a few years back....Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint
we have had 2 key games on less than a week in which most neutrals say we were mugged by referees. last night was downright farcical.
im not one for conspiracies, but questions have to be answered about some of those decisions.
Haven't seen one nuetral say you were mugged by any ref in either game. FFS you were 2-0 down in last nights game sbefore anyone was sent off...
As a neutral(-ish, Pats winning helped us!) at the Pats game, I didn't think the ref was any harsher on Rovers than Pats. I wasn't at the Cork game but the sendings off looked very soft.
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Originally Posted by Dodge
rte, newstalk and all the papers and most CCFC fans will tell you the sendings off, the second in particular, were harsh.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfc_legend9
blatantly lifted from the SRFC Ultras site
"Sherro to Linesman: "Can you tell me how that was offside, seriously?"
Linesman to Sherro: "Why don't you **** off back to the Leinster Senior League?"
Sherro may be many things, but he is not a liar.
Rant Number 2....... Mr. Kelly (Senior) applauding the dismissal of ANY player"
kelly sr was sitting beside...... (drumroll) Delaney.
at the pats game the linesman apparantly told a group of rovers fans to **** off as well. its not on and Rovers may well cry foul officially.
i appreciate when your luck is out, its out, but some strange things have been happening to rovers and harps of late.
I've seen the sneding off and both looked harsh (particularly Foley's) but you weren't "mugged" as they were 2-0 up at the time and the result would not have changed...
We're mugged for their upcoming, needless suspensions......Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
That has little to do with what score it was last night. The funny thing for me is that the one player he should have sent off he didn't...Doyle:rolleyes:
No denying that .... you could even see it on eL weekly ... no way was it a sending off offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
PREMIER DIVISION
Drogheda Utd 2-2 Bohemians
Lynch 41 pen-------Kelly 54
Whelan 60----------O'Keeffe 56
--------------------Collins s/o 75
FIRST DIVISION
Kilkenny City 1-0 Monaghan United
Purcell 58
Drogheda won 3-2. Whelan scored again in the 90th minute.
Kilkenny City won 2-1. O'Connor scored in the 82nd minute and Foy got one back for Monaghan in the 88th minute.
Looks like Drogheda will now have a reason to get a result on the last day in Waterford. Interesting if we win on friday:eek: