Essien = Dirty Cheat

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Originally Posted by joeSoap

hmmmmm. I have read your posts clearly, and they clearly inferred that as far as you were concerned Essien had elbowed Lauren in the face, causing his tooth to be knocked out.Thats how I read it anyway, and you're now backtracking because you were wrong, plain and simple. Its no big deal, but your logic seems to shift around a bit on this one.:rolleyes: :confused:

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Again read the posts. I claimed that the elbow hit the chin which was wrong. I am still claiming that the trailing arm hits the mouth causing the injury. The only thing I'm backtracking on is what caused the injury - an injury which you inferred in your initial post I proved never happened and as a result my logic implied universal cheating - WRONG!

My logic does not apply that Gary Lewin and Arsene Wenger are cheats as I've said Lewin treated an injury that appeared to me was caused by an elbow but was in fact caused by a trailing arm. Wenger answer a question at a press conference about the incident with Essien and Lauren's injury and Wenger's reply was that yes 'corrective dental work' was done on Lauren.

How do you consider my logic to be backtracking when I stand by everything I said with the exception of the elbow which I was wrong about having only seen it at the time and has been proved to be not the cause of the injury. :rolleyes:

Happy Christmas Karlos...:D :D

Cheer up. The whole world s not against ye.;)

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Originally Posted by joeSoap

Happy Christmas Karlos...

Cheer up. The whole world s not against ye

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Same to you with bells on!! :D

All I want for Christmas is 3 points!! ;)

I'd say three points is all any Gooner wants this christmas..:D

C'mon all the Irish lads playing for Doncaster tonite:D

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Originally Posted by joeSoap

I'd say three points is all any Gooner wants this christmas..:D

C'mon all the Irish lads playing for Doncaster tonite:D

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I'd say a goal would do the gooners for starters, then they can start thinkin about the win.

I've never seen such paranoia, next thing we'll have Bolton fans coming on proclaiming they play a sexy brand of football.

Bolton aren't just a long ball side, its like the Essien being a dirty player thing, if you're told it enough times in the media you begin to believe it. It's a fcukin joke!:mad: Bolton can play a bit aswell and the likes of Nolan, Diouf, Stelios and Speed are all quality players. The young lad Vaz Te looks good too. Not saying their brand of football is as exciting as the Gooners team of 03/04, but they're not just hoofers.

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Originally Posted by Hulsey

Bolton aren't just a long ball side, its like the Essien being a dirty player thing, if you're told it enough times in the media you begin to believe it. It's a fcukin joke!:mad: .

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True true just like the media pronouncing the best behaved team as a bunch of cheats on a regular basis!! I've said too much! :D

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Originally Posted by Hulsey

Bolton can play a bit aswell and the likes of Nolan, Diouf, Stelios and Speed are all quality players. The young lad Vaz Te looks good too. Not saying their brand of football is as exciting as the Gooners team of 03/04, but they're not just hoofers.

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I actually agree with ya on this. I'm a big fan of how bolton play the game, how effective they are and how they mix up their play with direct football and controlled play. Chelsea play a similar game at the moment mixing good skill with direct long play. I don't understand the negativity that surrounds long ball play anyway - there's nothing in the rule book that says there should be 50 touches before a goal. If long play is technically well executed then I admire it, likewise with attacking play. The only bad football for me is technically poor football or excessive negativity towards actually playing e.g. timewasting etc. Usually the style of delievery is immaterial to me. You must play to your strengths as a team and Bolton are experts at the style of game they play.

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Originally Posted by Hulsey

Bolton aren't just a long ball side, its like the Essien being a dirty player thing, if you're told it enough times in the media you begin to believe it. It's a fcukin joke!:mad: Bolton can play a bit aswell and the likes of Nolan, Diouf, Stelios and Speed are all quality players. The young lad Vaz Te looks good too. Not saying their brand of football is as exciting as the Gooners team of 03/04, but they're not just hoofers.

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Believe me I've seen em live about 6 times, they are woeful. That takes nothing away from their achievements and top top class manager. I've could not separate Davies/Diouf for time wasting and cheating from Pires or Beckham. They push the laws of the game to the limit in Sam's own words, hat's off to them.

But, it's all in the eye of the beholder eh.

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Originally Posted by KarlosIRL

I actually agree with ya on this. I'm a big fan of how bolton play the game, how effective they are and how they mix up their play with direct football and controlled play. Chelsea play a similar game at the moment mixing good skill with direct long play. I don't understand the negativity that surrounds long ball play anyway - there's nothing in the rule book that says there should be 50 touches before a goal. If long play is technically well executed then I admire it, likewise with attacking play. The only bad football for me is technically poor football or excessive negativity towards actually playing e.g. timewasting etc. Usually the style of delievery is immaterial to me. You must play to your strengths as a team and Bolton are experts at the style of game they play.

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Exactly! No point what so ever in trying to play a way you don't have the capacity too and getting religated. Look at Sunderland for example, trying to outplay teams with a squad lacking in quality. Imo shows a lack of tactical knowledge on Mc Carthys part. They should try thumping the ball up to stead and have him knock it down to Andy Gray, who's a bit of a handfull.

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Originally Posted by Clifford

Believe me I've seen em live about 6 times, they are woeful. That takes nothing away from their achievements and top top class manager. I've could not separate Davies/Diouf for time wasting and cheating from Pires or Beckham. They push the laws of the game to the limit in Sam's own words, hat's off to them.

But, it's all in the eye of the beholder eh.

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Obviously I'm not naive enough to claim that Diouf doesn't cheat, but I don't see how you could claim that Davies is a cheat though. He's just an old fashioned centre forward and plays a physical, but fair game imo.

I think any good centre-forward worth his salt has a little bit of a cheat in him. Henry, Van Nistelrooy, Rooney, Owen, Shearer; they all bend the rules to their advantage by diving, or play-acting. But theres a difference between cheating and being dangerous and vindictive. Diouf is a nasty coward- he rathers the snide tackle from behind or the simple spit in the face; Essien is a dangerous tackler who will end someones career someday if he doesn't change his technique.

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Originally Posted by joeSoap

I think any good centre-forward worth his salt has a little bit of a cheat in him. Henry, Van Nistelrooy, Rooney, Owen, Shearer; they all bend the rules to their advantage by diving, or play-acting. But theres a difference between cheating and being dangerous and vindictive. Diouf is a nasty coward- he rathers the snide tackle from behind or the simple spit in the face; Essien is a dangerous tackler who will end someones career someday if he doesn't change his technique.

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Not condoning it, but I'd rather see a bad challange than an important game decided by a bit of cheating. That kind of stuff makes me feel sick!

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Originally Posted by Hulsey

Obviously I'm not naive enough to claim that Diouf doesn't cheat, but I don't see how you could claim that Davies is a cheat though. He's just an old fashioned centre forward and plays a physical, but fair game imo.

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Davies and Shearer in the same catagory, hard as nails when using their elbows, diving around like lambs when "winding down a clock professionally". That's cheating in my book same as Lunjburg and Pires etc do, but cos he's a "hard local lad" it's never levelled at him.

theres a big difference between cheating and a bad tackle..i dont like cheating in a game but i'd rather see a players cheating the whole time than beeing scumbags the whole time like essien

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Originally Posted by Redtop

theres a big difference between cheating and a bad tackle..i dont like cheating in a game but i'd rather see a players cheating the whole time than beeing scumbags the whole time like essien

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So I assume you and all the others so loud about Essien will be bleating and crying into the soup about how filthy a player Reo Coker is, he didn't even get booked for a disgusting tackle that may have broken Essien's ankle.

Or is it just Karma?

Let's see the tabloid red tops jump all over this one - I can't wait.

I was expecting someone to say that it's a very timely injury considering that the African Nations is coming up!

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Originally Posted by twoenz

I was expecting someone to say that it's a very timely injury considering that the African Nations is coming up!

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Yeah I thought of that one myself :D

yes that was a dirty tackle by reo-coker but when he does it again DELIBERATLY then i will call him a dirty player

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Originally Posted by Redtop

yes that was a dirty tackle by reo-coker but when he does it again DELIBERATLY then i will call him a dirty player

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Thought so. He did one last season that was shockin as well in the 1st Division,hang him from the roof tops, eh....

Irrespective of who 'did' him, Essien had it coming. He's been doling it out since he arrived in the premiership, and it was only a matter of time.

I wonder if he would be reluctant to go in above the knee on a Keane, Vieira, Gerrard type player who would have him for breakfast if he did? I'd say he would.

He's trying hard to make a name for himself other than that of a hugely priced, average player, which he is turning out to be. I expected a lot more of him, and thought he was a far better player. I was wrong...

If you dish it out then you have got to take it.
He's had it coming for a while.
Hope the taste of his own medicine ain't too bitter. :D

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Originally Posted by joeSoap

Irrespective of who 'did' him, Essien had it coming. He's been doling it out since he arrived in the premiership, and it was only a matter of time.

I wonder if he would be reluctant to go in above the knee on a Keane, Vieira, Gerrard type player who would have him for breakfast if he did? I'd say he would.

He's trying hard to make a name for himself other than that of a hugely priced, average player, which he is turning out to be. I expected a lot more of him, and thought he was a far better player. I was wrong...

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You got all that from 2 miss timed tackles? Holy cow, I'd love to see your dissertation on the Keane lad for all his wicked assaults. Fair play.

So, Reo Coker comes into the same bracket I assume? trying to make a name, hugely over-priced, blah blah bling blah.

I love the hypocrisy(sp?).

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Originally Posted by razor

If you dish it out then you have got to take it.
He's had it coming for a while.
Hope the taste of his own medicine ain't too bitter. :D

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No argument there, he can look after himself on the pitch and I suspect an element of relief that he may not have to go to the Nations cup.

That's not what I'm on about though, what's good for the goose and all that, I assumed all the pious shouters who wanted him killed at dawn would expect the same for Reo Joker, but obviously it was only a witch hunt cos of who he plays for as expected.....

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Originally Posted by Clifford

You got all that from 2 miss timed tackles? Holy cow, I'd love to see your dissertation on the Keane lad for all his wicked assaults. Fair play..

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Firstly, they weren't two mistimed tackles. They were two cowardly tackles intended to do damage. My dissertation on Keane, Vieira and any other player who behaves in cowardly fashion like this is the same as it is on Essien. There is no difference in what Essien did to Hamman and the Bolton lad and what Keane did to Haaland other than the actual damage done. Essien did not know whether or not he was going to break legs and didn't care. What Keane did was cowardly, no more so than Essien.

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Originally Posted by Clifford

So, Reo Coker comes into the same bracket I assume? trying to make a name, hugely over-priced, blah blah bling blah.

I love the hypocrisy(sp?).

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No hypocrisy here I'm afraid. Speaking your mind isn't hypocritical. I have not seen the Reo Coker incident so I won't comment on it. If it was intent on hurting Essien, then yes he does come in to the same bracket.

Get off your high horse and open your eyes.

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Originally Posted by joeSoap

Firstly, they weren't two mistimed tackles. They were two cowardly tackles intended to do damage. My dissertation on Keane, Vieira and any other player who behaves in cowardly fashion like this is the same as it is on Essien. There is no difference in what Essien did to Hamman and the Bolton lad and what Keane did to Haaland other than the actual damage done. Essien did not know whether or not he was going to break legs and didn't care. What Keane did was cowardly, no more so than Essien.


No hypocrisy here I'm afraid. Speaking your mind isn't hypocritical. I have not seen the Reo Coker incident so I won't comment on it. If it was intent on hurting Essien, then yes he does come in to the same bracket.

Get off your high horse and open your eyes.

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Well said that man. What's a high horse? Kicking King?

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Originally Posted by joeSoap

He's trying hard to make a name for himself other than that of a hugely priced, average player, which he is turning out to be. I expected a lot more of him, and thought he was a far better player. I was wrong...

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Totally agree. I thought, for 24m, he's a very poor footballer.

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Originally Posted by De Town

Totally agree. I thought, for 24m, he's a very poor footballer.

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He didn't put the price on himself though. If you saw him at Lyon you would know why he was so highly rated, different club using him differently I reckon. But, it does look poor value for the money paid, as is any player to be honest in that bracket (over 5/10 million) - I don't think Rooney or his like are worth 30 mil either. Especially on last nights display when he was needed most.

I saw the Reo Coker challenge and its totally different to Essiens challenge. Reo Coker mis controlls the ball and in a desperate attempt to get the ball he lunges and gets Essien. It was a nasty tackle but he did not go out to do the player. It was a late tackle and it caused Essiens injury. But I would not put it in the same category as Essiens or Keanes or Hammans Or Gerrards tackles.

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Originally Posted by Clifford

If you saw him at Lyon you would know why he was so highly rated, different club using him differently I reckon.

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French football is quite a few rungs below the standard of the Premiership though. Even though Lyon are a fine side and doing ok in Europe(which will probably end at the quarter final stage), you don't see players clamouring to get in to the french league, it is quite the opposite. He was very highly rated over there, but has failed to transform that in the premiership. The pace of the game seems to be a step or two too quick for him at the moment, leading to frustration, leading to unnecessary acts such as attemting to kneecap Hamann.

He might get used to the pace of it, and come good, but its a huge financial gamble for Chelsea. United were in a similar position with Veron, and were lucky enough to offload him to Chelsea, who were very quick to send him back to Italy, where he is more used to the game, and pace of the game. I suppose its down to comfort.

Players like Keane, Vieira, Gerrard and possibly Lampard and Rooney could play in any environment and look good because they are true world class players. Regarding Essien, I have my doubts..

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Originally Posted by joeSoap

French football is quite a few rungs below the standard of the Premiership though. Even though Lyon are a fine side and doing ok in Europe(which will probably end at the quarter final stage), you don't see players clamouring to get in to the french league, it is quite the opposite. He was very highly rated over there, but has failed to transform that in the premiership. The pace of the game seems to be a step or two too quick for him at the moment, leading to frustration, leading to unnecessary acts such as attemting to kneecap Hamann.

He might get used to the pace of it, and come good, but its a huge financial gamble for Chelsea. United were in a similar position with Veron, and were lucky enough to offload him to Chelsea, who were very quick to send him back to Italy, where he is more used to the game, and pace of the game. I suppose its down to comfort.

Players like Keane, Vieira, Gerrard and possibly Lampard and Rooney could play in any environment and look good because they are true world class players. Regarding Essien, I have my doubts..

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So you agree with me when I said he looked poor value for money? Jaysus, talk about selective quoting.

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Originally Posted by joeSoap

its a huge financial gamble for Chelsea

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i doubt that it would make a big difference on their bank account:D :D

I think 23m will leave a nice hole in anyones bank account.

Nice to see that the FA are clamping down on another cowardly scumbag.

He has the cheek to say he was trying to turn away. I saw the challenge, and it was pretty horrific.

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Originally Posted by joeSoap

Nice to see that the FA are clamping down on another cowardly scumbag.

He has the cheek to say he was trying to turn away. I saw the challenge, and it was pretty horrific.

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Link is only to register for something. Try again. I assume it's about Sommeil. What say you on the Brown tackle a few seconds before? Why that cowardly scum bag not getting 3 game ban?

Edited for being an a r se.

I have seen him play,very unlucky he never made it in England.tough as nails too remember Steve Bull he was just like him...............

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Originally Posted by see's it

I have seen him play,very unlucky he never made it in England.tough as nails too remember Steve Bull he was just like him...............

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Who Micheal Brown or JoeS?

JOE,good player in his day..................

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Originally Posted by see's it

JOE,good player in his day..................

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Edited for being an a r s e.

:D :cool:

Lads...I'm all upset now....:D

Here's the link, and I don't think the earlier tackle was as bad as the follow up...

City's Sommeil gets three-match ban for violent conduct

Manchester City defender David Sommeil has been banned for three matches after being found guilty of violent conduct by the English FA.
The 31-year-old Frenchman was charged with the offence over his studs-up challenge on Tottenham's Lee Young-Pyo earlier this month.

He contested the charge, claiming Lee was about to kick the ball at him and he was merely turning away in self-defence.

However, the FA rejected this argument today and Sommeil will now miss Saturday's Premiership tie with Manchester United, the upcoming game against Bolton and the FA Cup fourth-round meeting with Wigan or Leeds.

I assume that malicious scum bag Brad Friedel will be getting the now customry three game ban for his elbow that split poor Alan Smith last night. Good for the Goose and all that. Disgusting.

As a sideline what fun it was to watch so called hard men like Savage, Rooney the Looney, Smith and the late arriving mentalist Dickov all on the same pitch last night. I hope the reply sees them all get together and ruck.