Gordon is qualified for us as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
Gordon is qualified for us as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
Here we go - Manning, Parrott and Azaz for Festy, O'Dowda and FergusonQuote:
Originally Posted by passinginterest
Add in Bellingham winning the penalty tooQuote:
Originally Posted by third policeman
Yes of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Managed by Carsley
A moral victoryQuote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
Four shots on target, four goals...
Five shots on target, five goals...
I come home from a day watching hurling..it's 0-0
Now its 4-0
But in general, we knew we were on a hiding to nothing.. we also know, we're not comparing ourselves to England for now
The first half was decent..
Overall I'm very happy. First half perfect template for hoe to play against top seeds.
Scales was awful for the penalty really poor effort from him
Really don't think we get beat if Scales doesn't make that mistKe
SS really poor all fame awful defending repeatedly and giving the ball away terribly. Can't be having him in that wide left position if that's his level
Nice to see moran on
I wonder who the man of the match is?
Collins maybe? Or O'Shea? Possibly Festy?
So many candidates
Very very good, organised, disciplined first half. Granted, England were nowhere near top gear but that's their problem.
Thought Festy was decent in the first half with how he relieved the pressure in defence with some good runs, and also made som decent defensive contributions. Szmodics a bit dodgy at times with how he gave the ball away trying to be too smart and make cunning turns.
It always felt like, once England did move through the gears, they'd get their goal and then we'd have no way back into it, but in the end, they didn't even need to get into top gear, thanks to the penalty. Any defender will give up penalties and get yellow cards like that at some point, which makes Scales' yellow in the first half even more silly.
Hard enough to stop an England team with 11. Impossible for us with 10.
Quick question. Was VAR in use? Could’ve done with it for Ferguson penalty shout
baffled that people are coming away from this "happy"
Im sick after that, but Im not angry. Ive been angry plenty after Ireland matches, but Im sick because the 1st half didnt deserve the 2nd half.
We were set up extremely well. I love that we had adjusted from the Dublin game and didnt just leave ourselves open to be walked through. We were disciplined and the plan was going perfectly. In my opinion they were 2 stonewall penalties and for VAR not to even look was disgusting, but the manager did his job well in getting us prepared for this game.
The 1st 15 minutes of the 2nd half were the disaster you fear against good teams. Stupid penalty, but having Scales sent off on top of it was just a killer. The 2nd goal was a lucky bounce off Cullen right to Gordon and then the 3 was a centimeter from offside. 5 mins between the 1st and the 3rd goal and it was game over. All individual errors that you just cant get away with against top teams
If we look back over this NL I still think we have improved under Hallgrimson
Kyle Walker one wasn’t a penalty. He got his head to itQuote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Once it was 2-0 it might as well have been 10-0 and there's not much learning to be had after that. As sad as it sounds it's good that we lost this way as the players have a lot to feel aggrieved about and hopefully the dramatically improving togetherness isn't impacted by this.
Upon reflection, it's more of a shame that HH wasn't there for the June friendlies as we might have given a real game against Greece.
All in all, future is looking brighter than the Kenny days
Tough second half. I think we really have to consider Scales' position in the pecking order after that, you just can't leave the leg trailing in the box like that, especially on a yellow. Silly earlier yellow to start with as well. When there's a lad who was a standout in Ligue 1 last season on the bench in his position - it's great that he has developed from UCD to where he is at Celtic, but that just wasn't good enough.
The setup more or less worked at 11 v 11 to be fair. So credit to Hallgrimsson for that. Very unlucky to even be playing a team like England in this competition to begin with, that's not what it's meant to be about - it's supposed to be about playing teams at your own level. Hopefully we get a playoff draw that balances out the awful group draw we were given.
I’d be of the same mind,the manager certainly isn’t happy ,”lost our heads “ , “pathetic “ , “embarrassing “ some of the words he used in the post match press conference….Quote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
Very happy . A plan and some heart compared to what we saw last time on Wembley under kennyQuote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
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Originally Posted by Fixer82
Yeah but then he landed on the back of SS calves that's where the peno is, getting his head to it is of no relevance
and what about what the players served up in the aviva a few months ago against a better england 11? people are deluding themselves with that first half. it was englands 2nd team and our only real chance of note in the whole game was a contentious pen shout for ferguson. we are minnows and we wont be getting near any ko tournament as long as we've a crop of players this poor. losing a game when you go down to 10 is nearly a given, losing 5-0 is a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
Happy is far too far
That's not a penalty though. He won the header, only had eyes for the header, and I think any touch afterwards is incidental and you'll never get a penalty for it. We'd have been livid if it was given against usQuote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
The first one is different though. Would be interesting to hear why that wasn't reviewed.
Wouldn't say I was "happy" with the performance, but there were definitely positives in a tight and organised first half. Finland created more openings in the first 50 minutes on Thursday than England did tonight. We mixed it up between some success at forward passing moves, a couple of good old-fashioned punts down the line (leading to both penalty calls) and even Festy running at people.
We were second best in the first half for sure, but there was organisation and bite there we've been lacking previously. I'm fairly sure England would have won even without the red and the penalty - look at their sub options compared to ours; that would surely have told in the last half hour. But we can take some satisfaction from the first half, and we can almost dismiss the second because it was against ten men.
Not sure how much progress there is under HH yet - we kept it tight under France/Holland under Kenny too. Next year will tell more I guess
All fair points you make. And I supposed the larger question at this point is, would the average Irish supporter even want this team going to the finals of a major competition? I mean if that is the best we can do against a team which is probably sixth or seventh best in the world, well we know our limits then, don't we? I watched the U-21's play Sweden this morning. Sorry to say there is very little on the horizon which will change our style of play in the international arena.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
On rewatching ~ I see that Ferguson gave the ball away very cheaply in the lead up to Scales giving away the penalty ~ Very poor really.
I’ve been saying it for years: the senior squad needs a sports psychologist. The first half tonight was encouraging (because of the discipline, definitely not because of the football) but you have to wonder about the brittleness in the team – one piece of bad luck and they dissolved like wet tissue. It happens game in, game out, against better teams and worse. It feels like an inferiority complex and we’re a goal down before every game begins.
Confidence is paper thin. It’s as if the Kenny experience has brought on collective PTSD. I’m not a fan of Mick necessarily, but would we have lost by 5 if he had been managing us?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Grise
fellas pining for mick mccarthy .... time for bed!
Surprised they don't have one already, tbh. I'd have imagined that was standard these days. Or is that mostly just at clubs?Quote:
I’ve been saying it for years: the senior squad needs a sports psychologist.
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Originally Posted by Eminence Grise
Yep, it’s that badQuote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
The ones who need a phycologist are the ones still wishing for Mick ffs
That was John o shea s team and it was hapless. Totally different shape tonight, closed central channels narrowed pitch and gave up the wide areas exactly the opposite of o shea s team in September. I said nothing about getting to a tournament I said it was vastly improved from the Kenny years which have set us back so farQuote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
The swedes are really in trouble soQuote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
Only thing I'd say on the pens is if you swing your leg to clear a ball in the box and you catch the opposition player who is behind you who you can't see that gets given as a penalty regardless of it been accidental.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
The first half was very Mick. No one is calling for him back. You should still be serving time for being foot.ie’s Kennyite in Chief.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
If you slide in to steer the ball back to the keeper and if an attacker then goes over your leg, that's not a penalty. We've no gripe on that oneQuote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
One other goalscoring connection - Harwood-Bellis, who scored the fifth, is engaged to Roy Keane's daughterQuote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
Roy's daughter ~ ~ Was there a film about that one upon time ? !Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
There’s no triumph in keeping it scoreless until half-time as we didn’t have an attempt on goals. We simply parked the bus. There’s nothing creative or innovative in that. It’s not getting the tactics right. It’s not showing heart. It’s parking the bus. It’s defeatist in its very nature, and demoralising for players. It’s the clearest communication you can give that you think they are not good enough to win the game. No wonder they “gave up” – you told them they are no good!
The result was a hammering and the collapse alarming. The positive taken from the Finland game was the confidence of getting a win. That’s gone now, and then some.
This has been a really poor international window for us. We were lucky to win at home against a team on their worst run of results (ever) and we get embarrassed against an experimental England team. Progress? Improvement? Its the manager himself that is saying Finland was lucky and England embarrassing. Players losing their heads and giving up is actually not good.
HH is likeable, talks a lot sense, is somebody all can get behind and want to succeed. But HH was sold as a manager that can beat England. That’s his CV. And after six games with HH, we do not know our strongest line-up, we do not know our best shape, we haven’t solved the midfield, we have not fixed the gaping hole on our left side, and England beat us 5-0.
I’m not happy. How could I be?
Excellent post IFK. Just about nailed it there.