What does the sport played have to do with the safety and behaviour of fans ?Quote:
This is football, not polo. Bohs and Rovers have no case to answer in relation to the Shelbourne games.
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What does the sport played have to do with the safety and behaviour of fans ?Quote:
This is football, not polo. Bohs and Rovers have no case to answer in relation to the Shelbourne games.
The Match Delegate decides whats is offensive etc.
He is to be given more powers as a result of this process:
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3) The Committee also belive that the practise of appointing match delegates and security personnel to League matches, especially high risk games, has been a welcome development but also that the remit of match delegates should be suitably strengthened and that clubs be informed that the individuals concerned have an unequivocal mandate from the League insofar as the control and management of games are concerned. In that regard, the Committee therefore recommend that in consultation with the Club Licensing Committee and the Association itself, the League should seek to introduce a suitable profile check list for delegates, for matches to which they are assigned, identifying all the relevant elements likely to arise in the match, under the umbrella of the rules of the League and Association and Club Licensing Regulations. The Committee also feel that all appointed match delegates should be convened for a suitable briefing session on issues in these areas prior to the commencement of each season.
How does a banner endanger anyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
One might assume that ordinary fans will have the opportunity to complain to the match delegate on potential contentious situations then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fintan Cassidy
I am thinking about one match this season where opposition fans mimiced loyalists flute bands. On complaint to the stewards over this matter we were told to forget about it.
I am of the opinion that fan banter is part and parcel of the game.Given that one club has got another a large fine with regards a banner, complaints to match delegate with regards that club may increase substantially.
But hey, that if we ever get into the ground after the Department of Home League Security have their way...............
The flare display in Dalymount was approved by the FAI match observor on the night. He did not find it dangerous or offensive.
What's the point in having these observors when their decisions do not count for anything?
When you bypass the barrier, and are as such contained between the barriers that surrounds the perimter of the pitch, then yes it is essentially the same thing, whether grass or molten lava.
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Originally Posted by bohsbitch
How do you know he approved it?
Keeping this short and sweet.
Fines over a banner - what a load of bo**ox :mad: !!!
What next? Fines for offensive songs been sung :rolleyes:
Well, when you cross the primiter wall/fence and are on the grass, then yes you are deemed to be on the field of playQuote:
Originally Posted by ThatGuy
I was standing with the safety officer when he brought it to the delegate's attention. I don't remember his name off-hand but it is documented in the match records.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fintan Cassidy
The fire-officer was also consulted and did not have a problem with it. He observed the display to ensure no spectators, players or officials were in danger.
It looks to me that Shelbournes demands that Bohs install a players tunnel and close their bar nearest the dressing rooms do not form part of the 4 recomendations of the committee - so hard luck Fintan.
Is seems also that the standard FAI finding is being trotted out again. Clubs shoud pay for more stewards (isn't a Frontline Security director a member of the FAI?)
It also looks to me that the door is being left open for Bohs to continue their case against the disgraceful actions of Shelbourne officials and employees during that game.
"The Committee defer their findings on all other allegations, which have been made in relation to the conduct of some club officials and players pending substantive witness evidence in that regard."
It all depends now on the Bohs officials finding the backbone that was so obviously lacking when they were being shafted in the first place.
I also think Rovers have a good case for appeal.
I would sincerely hope that a fan-owned club would appeal - especially against the fine for a banner. Otherwise we may throw our hat at it and let Ollie get on with destroying the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vitruvian Man
KOH
DOES ANYONE else fell that this cack handed effort by the EL office to get tough has actually been counter productive????
I can see this having the reverse effect to that intended
THE EL OFFICE cannot police fans - thats the job of the police
the el office can cesure clubs/individuals - its failed to do so
Bullsh!t. I understand Fenlon watched the game from the TV gantry. How did he get there? Did he go there 2 hours before the game and sit tight until the game began?Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
Yes, inside the advertising hordes is classed as the playing surface, which is why its blocked off to the public, I don't believe you're trying to argue this??? Just anything against Shelbourne thatguy, is it???Quote:
Originally Posted by ThatGuy
No, but he neither went by the pitch or the changing rooms, there you go!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint
Footage of Fenlon in the gantry during the game exists - the camera pans round to him as Bohs score the 2nd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint
He's allowed to be there, same as anyone else would be. As far as I am aware there is a clause in the rule you are allowed into the tv gantry even if it is less than 50m from the pitch. So by similar methods, Farrelly could sit up there if he got banned, etc.
have to admit I'd forgotten totally about shelbournes exsistence until this fine bull,s,hit......maybe its a plot by "oily" to get them back in the news again?
I reckon all clubs should get a banner with the following
“HEY FAI, FINE THIS YOU PACK OF ****ING *******!!!”
(And without censorship that reads f.u.cking w.a.nkers)
Lets see what happens
If people continue to get fined I’m going to get Shels fined for every game they unveil a “Champion” banner. Dunno how the rest of you feel but I find it sickeningly offensive
Oh and LOL @ sanctioned flares... F***ing pussies
Fines for offensive banners my arse!! :mad:
If that were the case then could we complain and get Derry fined for their flag "FHFC - Forever In Our Shadow" or could Dodge get Shels fined for their champions flag as he seems offended by it :D
FFS this is getting rediculous!
I wonder will I be fined following my unveiling of a banner to "welcome" Oily to Ballybofey next Friday night....
Also, will this now be the steps taken from now on. ie all offensive banners will be punished and if so what is deemed offensive?
I would have imagined that racism, sectarianism etc were the only offenisive to be banned and rightly so but do we now have to add Ollyism to that list...
I find that offesive - did you mean "ridiculous"? are you using "REDiculous" to poke fun at all teams that play in RED - like shels????Quote:
Originally Posted by harpskid
are you implying that we are Oily? or Greasy in some way.....ok theres no logical follow on there but you started it by opening this can of worms!
I'm outraged. I call on the EL to issue three statements about this matter with mistakes in them so they have to issue three more - each specifying an inappropriate fine - each one more inconsistent than the last
Lets stamp this sort of thing out now!
What about this for a new banner
Fined for using flares: €100
Fined for offensive banners €500
****ing off the FAI:Priceless
:D
I meant ridiculous aye but if you don't believe me, fcuk off to that EL Investigation committee and get me fined :DQuote:
Originally Posted by wws
I agree this "investigation" in true FAI style has created more problems than it have tried to solve.
The only positive thing i can think of is that they are starting to act instead of toothless threats but i'm scraping the barrel on that one.
btw i noticed on TV3 that showed another bohs pitch invasion at Richmond Park & that kids on the pitch after the whistle too.
LOL
until the FAI give the clubs a few hundred grand for the amount of stewards neede to keep hundreds of kids off pitches they can fck right off
this is the fcking LOI not the premiership
live in the real world ffs
When a pat's representative brought the matter up in front of the Gardai, the FAI and the league he was told nothing will be done about it cos they're mostly kids.
Hehe. Too easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by wws
I don't think i've mentioned this before ;) but kids almost never seen on the Turners Cross or Dalymount pitches...
So we've a better youth system, whats your point pete?
:D :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
Those ****ers got kicked out so I was happy then!
I agree! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
I agree. It's easy to say it but it's pretty ****ing hard to stop 20-30 (or more) kids/adults getting onto the pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by wws
We've only 1 kid on the pitch regularily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Fair enough but I hope he stayed 50 metres from the pitch at all times - can anyone confirm the rumours that Nutsy was dropped onto the gantry by the Paratroop Regiment :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra Red
Is CEO Ollie's official title these days? I know he's often called that (or chairman) but I've seen him described as the Shelbourne Secretary in previous warnings as to his future behaviour. I know he pretty much does everything there so he probably has many titles (some of which you're not allowed to put on a banner).
Finbarr Flood is the Shels chairmanQuote:
Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint
Ollie is the secretary
Wouldn't it be funny if supporters from every club organised banners this weekend and unfolded them at the exaact same time all around the country :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
If fans of other clubs used their heads next season or whoevers left to play in Tolka this season then they could cost Shels a lot of money in fines.
The Rovers banner seemed to be in the Ballybough end which is a bit of a neutral zone. All other fans have to do is make big baners slagging off something about their club. Take photos, let the Garda or security remove it after a few mins. Next EL meeting Shels getting fined for offensive banner.... After all the precedent has been set now
;)
Frankly I think the demonstration at the Bohs vs. Shels match was bang out of order and added another element of nastiness to an already tense fixture.
The Bohs fans think the three lads that left them are “Judas’” - fine, let them sing, chant, and unfurl banners to state this fact!
But, Bohs the club, shouldn’t be allowing their fans onto the pitch to so officially demonstrate this fact.
IMO Rovers have been harshly done by though.
I didn’t have a problem with their “Ollie is a thug” banner on Friday, but I would have if the 400 club, like the Bohs board, had allowed their fans to go onto the pitch to “officially” unveil the same said banner.
Well that answers the question posed in the other thread - Cork stewards are obviously shameless bullies who intimidate innocent kids from expressing their natural happy, exuberant, youthful urges. Cork stewards - child abusers.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
The bit that bugs me here is that Shels officials checked the baners as they were being put up. They forced the lads to cut out sections of some banners and insisted others couldn't be displayed at all. In my opinion Shels gave their consent to what appeared on the night.
The flares on the pitch-side of the ad boards was a bit dodgy but there's logic in there somewhere. When it was planned, it was decided that it would be safer to set off flares on the other side of the barriers seeing as the Shed is used for the "Kids go Free" promotion. Also the drop between the playing surface and the bottom of the terracing at the front of the Shed is a long one, which couple with the height of the ad boards would have meant the flares weren't visible from the rest of the ground. The area in front of the Shed was used for several reasons (so I'm told)...1. The wind that night would have blown the smoke straight back into the Jodi if flares had been lit on that side of the ground. 2. The lights in the roof of the Jodi make it too bright for flares to be effective. 3. There weren't enough flares to go the length of the Jodi and there's no point in doing things by halves.
Apparently the lads who were on the pitch were all sound non-hoolie types who just wanted add to the buzz of the night. There was nothing very threatening about the whole episode. The "Judas" banner probably hadn't been in the plans at all... it just appeared. Access to the pitch was controlled so no undesirables got on, sand buckets were waiting at the corner so hot flares wouldn't be carried back into the spectator areas and the fire bloke was happy everything was being done as safely as possible. I honestly don't see what all the fuss is about.