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Spefically 3 peopl have been arrested 2 under the Garda Juvenile liason scheme so taken home to their mammies and 1 adult caution. I do wonder why only 3 arrests. But that aside the clubs can now issue their own additional sanctions to individuals. Get in done quickly and it may avoid the heavier FAI sanctions.
This is a great example of what I saw, skit or not!!
https://www.tiktok.com/@gareth.king/...126594?lang=en
I'd say one club will already be long relegated by the time it gets to that fixture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa
Unfortunately, it says we have one of the worst Leagues in all of the European Union, especially when it comes to skill-set.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophizer
Or he was a little unlucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by CorribsideSteve
Can literally just mean Oxford had another keeper who is also very good. I think the only thing holding Ed back is he could do with being an inch or four taller.
They signed a new keeper last season rather than give McGinty a chance, so I suspect Corribside is closer to the mark unfortunately
Hes 6’3 I’d say so that’s not an issue. The few games he got with Oxford he made a few mistakes so I’d say they’re done with him for sure. If he keeps this form up someone else should really take a chance on him but if we’re stuck with him I’ll be quite happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acornvilla
I always thought he looked way shorter tbh, but maybe I'm just seeing him beside other tall defenders and forwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah
Cobh are 3 points off the playoffs after losing to Wexford. If Cobh players are carrying knocks, will they be rested on Friday night from the Second Round of the FAI Cup?
A few clubs will surely be looking to do same .incredibile to think that despite losing 9 games and even Bray losing 10 games that they are even in with a chance of playoffs .Standard of the league is so poor.Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
I was thinking he was big all right. I saw him in the flesh in Dalymount on Friday and he’s a fair unit. Tall enough and also built!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah
I think that is by design, there's no real reason to give 5th a playoff spot other than to keep as many clubs as possible having something to play for towards the end of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by da bishop
By rights there should probably just be a straight playoff between 2nd and 9th. Or perhaps a 4 team playoff with 9th in the PD playing 4th in the 1st Div, 2nd v 3rd in the FD being on the other side.
I don't like the current format but it gives more teams something to play for, so its probably for the greater good, if very convoluted. It does mean you have to be one hell of a 1st division team to navigate the whole thing and actually get promoted. Or be Longford and do whatever we did!
The 1st div is barely football at times, you're not wrong there! It wasn't much outside of Waterford and Galway last season either tbf, but it's a grand spot for kids to get experience, or kicked.
I might be wrong but I feel like the gap between divisions has been growing for a while, and from now on it's difficult to see anyone who goes down not being heavy favourite to go back up. There is always whatever mystery is unfolding at Athlone and UCD having an occasional excellent crop, but outside of them would Harps be the only 1st div club with a fanbase really capable of sustaining any sort of Full time football?
I'm leaving Cork out of it, because they just like to implode and visit the 1st div to feel something every now and then :D
Good post A.....even our own Treaty not out of it despite a pitiful effort this season and our mgt suggesting regularly in interviews the team is over achieving...6 wins in 24.
I'm confident in saying this is the worst First Division we've ever been a part of. In 2010 you had a very good Derry team plus decent Monaghan Waterford and Shels sides.
In 2011 we went to the last day with Shels to decide a winner, plus again a decent Monaghan side.
In 2022 you had the very talented Waterford team who couldn't get out of their own way, and a good Galway team.
This year I don't even think we're all that good and there's no one else.
We're walking to promotion right now without looking very good and I think our attendances are starting to reflect that.
We have a 15 point lead (12 if Athlone win their game in hand) and our goal difference is +30, while the next best is +7.
We've played 24 games and only conceded 9 goals!!
Well get promoted comfortably and if we don't replace essentially the whole team we'll be right back down.
First Division is really poor this year. Harps still well in it despite having a squad of kids with a handful of semi-experienced pros.
The thing is, there's always been a couple of decent sides and then the rest crap. This year, there's just Cork, a few teams having spells of looking okay, and then the rest crap, so it's really standing out this season in particular.
Think I’ve pretty much seen everyone play in the First Division, some more than once and there is not a chance any team that finishes 2nd - 5th beats the 9th place PD side.
If they somehow manage it it could be a record low points total next season!
Would wager there's a couple of sides who would love to win the FD playoff, but quite happily lose the PD playoff final.Quote:
Originally Posted by ger121
From what I saw in Athlone fri night Athlone only beat Cork City 1-0 few short weeks ago. They were very impressive the other night and should figure strongly in the playoffs.
Athlone certainly the best of the rest after Cork.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinho II
Athlone look like the best of the rest but hard to see them beating Dundalk or bohs if they get dragged in
Seems to me that Drogheda are trying to squirrell out of any responsibility for Friday night.
While talking about the incident, the Drogheda Chairman tries to blame the lack of relationship with Dundalk FC and the Gardai and a flag waver for 40 or so Drogheda fans trying to attack the home section. (Drogheda has a perfect relationship with the Gardai apparently according to her)
Though she says Drogheda will accept any sanctions from the FAI. Got me wondering if there has been a desicion made and if it will effect the FAI cup. It's now the Tuesday, so they are leaving it late if there is some action to be taking for that game.
Still think there should be a points deduction. Fines can be too abstract when it comes to crowd trouble. This way maybe Drogheda fans can start to self police a bit better.
It happened in Oriel so surely Dundalk should be punished
Should Waterford also been punished when Shamrock Rovers hit a player with a firework?Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckett
Or Drogheda when a Shels fan hit a linesman with a flare?
I mean it's their security that failed to stop it from happening...
Never seen a club fail to actually confront a crowd issue like Drogheda does.
Didn't hear the interview but I'm glad she's highlighted the gardai, their reaction (or lack of it) and attitude on Friday was a disgrace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa
She didn't blame the Gardai, she blamed Dundalks relationship with the GardaiQuote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
Up until recently in Terryland, any away goal was followed by a mini pitch invasion. The talk among our fans was not criticising the fans but actually our own clubs security. A few changes were made and it hasn't happened since. Thankfully there was no serious incident.
Clubs have to assume that some away fans are knobheads and put barriers and security in place so nobody can enter the pitch. Clubs have to be responsible for what happens in their own premises.
If away fans that break the rules can be identified, then they should also be punished, of course.
In general though, what is the role of Gardaí inside stadiums? They seem to not get involved at all. For example, fireworks are illegal, but they don't do anything to people with fireworks inside grounds and seem to let the clubs stewards deal with it
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Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa
They have removed ticket sales for Dundalk fans since the weekend. Dundalk even deleted the tweet with the link to purchase tickets so god knows what's going on
Got listening to it there, I genuinely don't see what she said wrong in relation to the Gardai? The gardai were outside after telling anyone who asked that it wasn't their job, it was the stewards job despite the fact there clearly wasn't enough stewards on duty, that doesn't suggest a collaborative approach. Whereas the last louth derby I was at in Weavers Park, the super himself was there overseeing the entire operation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa
It's not addressing the issue or taking unequivocal responsibility for fixing the problem. It's blaming someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
Right, the Gardai were slow and unorganised. But them or the stewards didn't start anything - Drogheda fans acted independently without a spark - and Security is being blamed for not stopping it quick enough.
Again, it's been brewing for a while in the Drogheda crowd. There official 'ultras' gloating on Twitter about breaking into Oriel in the off-season, and displaying stolen flags at the last derby game.
Now to any adults... This is ridiculously stupid stuff.
But the best way to solve a problem is to prevent it from emerging.
What has Drogheda done to address their anti-social behaviour? Their answer is to blame someone else for not doing what they should be doing.
Again, how ridiculous is it that Drogheda have allowed an anti-social element from another club who don't even speak English into their sections? They go because they can do whatever they like at Drogheda without sanction.
In the end, every club will have to put more resources in security because of these fools, which is not being used to improve the actual league.
You could easily ask the same questions of Dundalk, lads who were fighting in Derry in 2019 and previously in Drogheda were front and centre on Friday and have boasted about such on socials, this has been brewing on both sides for some time now, friday needs to be a reset moment for the authority at both clubs to hand out serious bans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa
That was 5 years ago, and there were no major events since with Dundalk. Certainly no angels in Dundalk, but that's independent from what happened last Friday night.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
Just plain weird to 'both sides' this. It's honestly just a cop out to me.
Look, going around in circles and I said all I could say on it.
I have a feeling it will keep escalating though, and it's opening the gates for more sh*theads to do more sh*thead things (in this case for both sides...)
The point is, the same faces appear on the pitch every time there's an incident at a Dundalk game yet nothing ever happens to happen, I've already said the Dundalk fan coming onto the pitch and goading the away fans is zero excuse for grown men to run on and fight, those Drogs fans were THE leading cause of the incident but poor security, starting with allowing that lad past the perimeter to wind up the Drogs was also high up on the leading factors list. Anyway, Kiki, I think we're on the same page in that we both want to go and enjoy football without this ****e going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa
My other half is steering clear on Friday for fear of what might go on, she was verbally abused by a group of grown men at the last derby in Drogheda, there appears to be a lack of grown ups in the room at the moment but hopefully it will be a bit of a reset moment as this incident had been building for a few seasons now between the two ultras groups.
Security is rarelly actually secure where large crowds are involved and if people are determined to do what they want. We only have to look at the recent Euros and pitch invaders, Wembley at the Euro 20'20' final, one of they most secure stadiums in the world, Stade de France at a Champions League final albeit the issues there were a bit different. Serious failings in the US at Copa America recently also. All highly resourced, supposedly military like organisational set up, with the whole world watching. You cant go person to person, so what ratio of steward to imbecile is required?
One of the main reasons given for te lack of focus on Drogs fans not getting on the pitch was that the majority were trying to leave the ground early against Garda instructions, Stewards and Gardai were trying to prevent 2 sets of fans leaving the ground at the same time and mixing - arguably a more dangerous situation with 'scarfers' going to be in the front line. I dont doubt the that there needs to be a review of the setup, clarification of the role of Gardai, and clubs getting over their inferiority complex and engage with a local rival rather than snipe about managers and thanking clubs for signing their players in pointed side swipes, and that goes back years peaking with the quite amusing LoI champions 2005 billboards in Dundalk. Hoey the younger was not a willing communicator, Hoey Senior conversely was always striving to co-operate in the best possible way for clubs and fans.
Certainly those that have influence with Dundalk shedside supporters groups should be brought in to Oriel and shown the cost of security and fines, money not spent on a football team - and threaten bans, too self important a bunch of them though to think they might actually be banned! It was great craic when a significant number were banned some years ago and they tried to get a mass boycott going. 20 or 30 stood around outside the garage then 5 minutes before ko all but the those banned headed in to the game - the look on the faces were priceless and the skulked off home in a huff.
Johanna Byrne is a decent and admirable person that I have a lot of time for but I think she's called it wrong on this occasion!Quote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
The Dundalk tifo flag waver- guy on the pitch at the end of the match..., he hops on there always whenever DUNDALK WIN(or grab a decent draw)and that's been proven!
Sorry to hear your o.h won't be be attending in Drogheda,and thats awful but drawdas fault for the biggesst part and now they'll be a huge presence of Garda for everyones sufferance!!
Again, I'm fully aware these lads are on the edge of the pitch after every game but he went onto the pitch with the flag between his legs and was making crude gestures to the away end with it, Anyone with a juvenile sense of humor like myself thought it was hilarious but the cavemen over the far side clearly didn't. Again, being wound up by opposition fans is no justification to invade the pitch but the stewards in the shed need to start controlling that area of the ground better, it's a free for all over there at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToberonaTornado
On Drogheda's statement the other night, I felt it was very weak.
Reading Stewie Byrnes comments on what happened in Oriel have to agree with him on this. They have to get a lifetime ban!