Haven't a clue.
Don't think the lad from the Brandywell incident is permanent. Life long fan, once off incident and all that but the second bloke punched our eminent event controller a few times so I'd guess his is. :D
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Haven't a clue.
Don't think the lad from the Brandywell incident is permanent. Life long fan, once off incident and all that but the second bloke punched our eminent event controller a few times so I'd guess his is. :D
I'll give ye a distiction. If ye roar abuse at someone youre alright. If you give someone a slap ye should be bannedQuote:
Originally Posted by Colm
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
Get over it Eanna!!
I'm not against bans per se but there are loads of reasons why you have to be very very careful.Quote:
Originally Posted by fbtn
Two that spring to mind immediately are - banning without a conviction is both morally and legally dodgy (as Rovers are about to find out) plus if you want to create martyrs and heroes for the gobshítes then banning orders are the best way.
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Besides, how are you meant to distinguish one skinhead in jeans and a sellthick jersey with a Dublin accent so harsh it sounds fake, from another? It just won't work at Rovers!
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But surely 'the management reserve the right to refuse' like nightclubs and bars. Hit someone in a bar or a club and normally your barred right away without ever being convicted.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
I agree re:martyrs and hereos but I think your better off without these morons in the ground full stop - regardless what kind of pedastal they are then put on by their hardmen friends.
I've been to nearly every single ground in the League of Ireland and believe me, the Dublin clubs have no monopoly on guys looking for trouble. Every club has a few knobends and we're all better off without them.
you shles people really do mix your hoops up when its convenient dont you! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by EnDai
how are you meant to distinguish between one 17 year old pimply hooligan wannabe and another? it just wouldnt work at hellbourne, would it!
Hellbourne, I see what you did there, funny man!!!
joke.....funny....haha :D I knew someone would bite :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Colm
Didn't think it'd be one of your own though, did you???Quote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
oh but i did. I knew he would :D :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra Red
I think you're missing an EASY! chant there Eanna....
Not meeting any of those features personally, I wouldn't know! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
I also think it's dodgy ground when there's no conviction. Well actually usually no arrest even.
However, I have more problems with life time bans tbh. Giving people a 3 year ban for say ;) hitting a lino, is fair enough. Second offence throw the book ( :D ) at them.
Ultimately the problem comes back to policing imo. Incapable of having the cop on to stop trouble, and then can't be arsed with the paperwork of actually arresting people if there is trouble.
The implications of bans being overturned by courts could be wide ranging and basically give hoolies free reign. It could be interesting how that develops....
That'd be my position too, m'lud. And on that subject there was a meeting yesterday AFAIK about the very same topic. The cops, the clubs and the league/FAI were there (actually one club didn't bother showing up, guess which one?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
The cops plus Rovers, Bohs and Cork wanted a national register of banned individuals and to set it up along the correct lines as Macy suggests. The FAI and the League said no. Typical head in the sand nonsense.
Whatever about the rights and wrongs of such a register isn't it ironic that the 3 clubs with a perceived problem wanted to act and the one club that does the most bleating didn't even show up?
KOH
That a dig at us, son??? Jftr Ollie was at a security meeting in Tallaght on Monday afternoon...
What about Tuesday when these clubs had a meeting with the cops?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra Red
Dublin accent bashing from a Dublin EL fan? That's a first!Quote:
Originally Posted by EnDai
I think you should make it official: get Ollie to declare that if you have a Dublin accent you should take your business elsewhere. In view of Shelbourne FC's influence with the legal and other professional classes, as evidenced in recent decisions from football officialdom, and mindful of its roots in Ballsbridge, only those who pass the new accent test should get through the turnstiles. Maybe they should wear suits too.
Not talking about the meeting on Monday. And don't call me son. I'm pretty píssed off today and you ain't helping. I'm rapidly getting to the stage where your poxy club, your thug of a CEO and your wanabee fans are more of an irritant than Bohs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra Red
There was a meeting yesterday attended by every club in the league except Shels. Ironic that it was on the same day as that whitewash of a report was issued. Shels are the one club not serious about crowd control/safety and the behaviour of playing staff and management.
Your hypocrisy and contempt for Irish football sicken me.
KOH
What was the meeting yesterday for ?? and how did it go?
Just out of interest :confused:
WAR, there is no real bother between fans of Rovers and Shels, there just seems to be select groups of fans on both sides which obviously gave Rovers "fans" the excuse needed for last Friday's behaviour.
Now assuming you had nothing to do with said inncedent, rather then you trying to carry on petty bickering with Shelbourne fans do you not think it would be in the best interest of the clubs and league as a whole if we were to work together andkick this scum element out of the league???
Oh and by the way, as a lot of Cork and Bohs fans have realised, you don't have to hate Shelbourne fans just because you dislike Ollie Byrne and we've been successful recently, alright???
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Originally Posted by higgins
There was a meeting in Pearse Street garda station yesterday, all prmier league clubs were invited, it is alleged that no representitive from Shelbourne was in attendence, this is to be officially confirmed, I don't know if its true or not!
Well showing up to meetings would be a start. As I've pointed out elsewhere - if the two biggest rivals in the country can co-operate then everybody should be able to. Even yesterday's report points up to Shels lack of co-operation on match day security.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra Red
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Originally Posted by Drumcondra Red
...but it helps.
Yes but if you read it, it states the Ollie Byrne requested that he wouldn't be in presence, its hardly compareable to when we all used to skip off school, is it???
From a Derry fan on the Shels MB below, interesting thats fans of 3 seperate clubs seeing a casual element in Shels trying to start trouble. Yet Shels fans deny that there is any problem. Who to believe!!!
"All well and good Ralph but here's a question, how many of the casually dressed hoolie wannabes (numbering around a dozen, who were restrained from getting at Derry fans by the gardai both inside and outside the ground) did Shels take action against after the game against Derry earlier in the season?
None, I would imagine. And none of you saw any of it either or you positively, definately would have done something about it........
Rovers have a problem, they are trying to do something about it. There's no point moralising when your own club does feck all."
If you read on, you'll see the Derry fans were acknowledged by Shels fans leaving the new stand, and clapped us back, the so-called hoolies were the 12 year old kids who ran onto the pitch, they are also in the process of being sorted out by us, alright??? We know we have a small minority of scum, but we are doing something about it, we just don't feel the need to publisise everything, btw, there was about 10 of those kids that day, 3-5 hurling abuse from what I saw, not comparable to what we witnessed on friday!
[QUOTE=Drumcondra Red]they are also in the process of being sorted out by us, alright??? We know we have a small minority of scum, but we are doing something about it, we just don't feel the need to publisise everything, QUOTE]
my word how this story has changed since the thread began!!
It has changed a lot,the post off of Shelsweb is complete crapQuote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
I'm not particularly anti or pro Shels but they have a few lads willing to have a go. Last year in Longford one of our stewards got a bad cut to the eye from a dust-up with Shels supporters-not getting into the rights and wrongs but there were a few throwing punches that night..When we'd won 4-1 and tensions were running high among Shels support. It happened in front of me and I know the steward involved, no angel normally by the way but he was hit a couple of times that night.
5th August, Rovers v Pats: weather is poxy, Rovers Ultras / 400 Club / board / whoever persuade cops to allow us be in the Shed rather than out in the open on Connaught St terrace. We slag them, they slag us, we do our level best to disrupt their half time hero thingy. Finishes 0-0, no previous baggage, no incidents, all go home safe and sound.
9th September, Rovers v Shels: weather is poxy, Rovers Ultras / 400 Club / board / whoever persuade cops to allow Shels be in the Shed rather than out in the open on Connaught St terrace. Wasn't there but loads of previous baggage from Shels v Rovers and Ollie v Roddy in Tolka, yes incidents, all go home p1ssed off after ructions.
What's in common between the two matches? Presence of Rovers fans - presumably the same lot of Rovers fans both times. What's the difference between the two matches? Draw yisser own conclusions.
Obviously afraid of the IPFQuote:
Originally Posted by Dr.Nightdub
I was there and i don't remember any of the sort,a bit of an arguement over standing on seats of which i was invoved but no puches thrownQuote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
At the end of the match there was a scuffle. I saw it myself. I saw the cut on the steward's face too. Some of your fans were apologising on the way out, "there's scumbags in every club" were the exact words one used.
Well, Glen Crowe for one ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Anto McC
Games involving the Dublin clubs regularly have aggro between the fans and stewards/gardai, be it pitch invasions, standoffs, and even flares. Your club treat every incident as a major event, and the only way you can control crowds, is by erecting fences, around the area. It's been there for the last few games at Flancare Park. Pats, Bohs, Shels, Rovers, and Cork fans have all complained of receiving bad/unfair treatment from your stewards, who seem to go looking for aggro, based on what I have seen. If your stewards did their job in a professional manner, you'd have no problems at your ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
What? Do you're "fans" really see about 5-6 12 year olds as much of a thret that they've to send a mob around to get us??? We know about these kids, who tbh, are just as hapy to play a game of chasing as to have a fight, you have no arguement and I don't believe to are trying to defend the action of those scumbags the other night!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
[QUOTE=MyPost]Games involving the Dublin clubs regularly have aggro between the fans and stewards/gardai, be it pitch invasions, standoffs, and even flares. Your club treat every incident as a major event, and the only way you can control crowds, is by erecting fences, around the area. It's been there for the last few games at Flancare Park. Pats, Bohs, Shels, Rovers, and Cork fans have all complained of receiving bad/unfair treatment from your stewards, who seem to go looking for aggro, based on what I have seen. If your stewards did their job in a professional manner, you'd have no problems at your ground.[QUOTE]
Well said!!!
bollo.cks. you have had problems with galway, bohs, shels and rovers fans (just off the top of my head) recently, and they all cited identical stories, heavy handed and aggressive stewarding. we aren't all wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cop on
maybe we just react differently to being treated like ****e.
or put another way, how come no-one has problems in finn park, the brandywell, united park and the RSC (for want of a better expression the provincial clubs)?
And what will happen when Longford come to Dalyer in a few weeks? We'll treat them like kings, and put them in the DK stand, in the shelter. If I had my way, we would stick 'em in the Connaught St. Stand, open to all sorts of weather, and give them a taste of their own medicine!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
It was just pure chance that the monsoon-like rain stopped seconds before ko at their ground on our last visit, or else we would have been watching the game out in the open, soaked to the skin. :mad:
Damn right. Now where can we get some welsh flags?! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by mypost
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