Weekend 31st MAy to 3rd of June

Treaty outplayed and out fought by a well drilled Kerry in Tralee,probably flattered by the scoreline as Kerry fluffed their lines in front of goal a few times.Treaty were once again not without effort but toothless in their approach and maybe if they spent less time bawling at the ref for everything,which is a constant feature this season, and more time into actually trying to pass the ball results might improve,one win in 16 games is atrocious.To my Kerry friends who i attended game with many thanks for the as always excellent hospitality.

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Originally Posted by placid casual

Nah, a week without a game is needed for us tbh.
Unless I read your post wrong you seemed to be blaming the opposition manager for your team losing today. Your 5 &1/2 yr contracted manager has not got off to a very good start- I've seen this movie a couple of times before.

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I was more so making a point about the squad generally, the game today is just a very brief snapshot of the wider issues with it. I like Daly a lot but I think he did a shoddy job with building a balanced team, and left one that he, Stephen Kenny or most coaches would have a real job on their hands of making a success out of.

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Originally Posted by D24Saint

McCelland had a decent chance towards the end.

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To rephrase, St Pats could have played all night and not scored another!

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Originally Posted by Jack B

I was more so making a point about the squad generally, the game today is just a very brief snapshot of the wider issues with it. I like Daly a lot but I think he did a shoddy job with building a balanced team, and left one that he, Stephen Kenny or most coaches would have a real job on their hands of making a success out of.

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I don’t think Ancelotti could get anything out of that lot. The man is only in the door and can’t be expected to work miracles with dross.

Not the highest quality game, but a fairly entertaining game in Finn Park. 15 year old Gavin McAteer is one to watch out for. Special talent.

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Originally Posted by D24Saint

I don’t think Ancelotti could get anything out of that lot. The man is only in the door and can’t be expected to work miracles with dross.

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Wasn't that said when Daly took over from Clancy ? Who are the players exactly you think are Dross?

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Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa

Wasn't that said when Daly took over from Clancy ? Who are the players exactly you think are Dross?

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Can only speak for myself but I don't really have much of an issue with individual players, it's just the balance of it all that doesn't work, and it's fine margins this season in what's a tight and competitive league. The goalkeeper situation has been dodgy, but it's more so been stuff like having one left back in the whole squad while on the other side is three right backs that can't complete a game between them, and having 5/6 attacking midfielders/wingers that are left-footed and physically lacking, which just makes it all quite predictable and imbalanced. For me it's more a case of poorly executed squad building than specific players being to blame.

Great win for Dundalk. Really, we had more and higher quality chances in the second half to win it by more than Pats did to equalize. We always had a good defense, but were creating nothing. Hopefully with Daly, this is being fixed. Should have beaten Derry on Friday night too.

Frustrated with the pen. If that is a pen, why isnt it a pen for a handball up the other end, when the ball came off the Pats players elbow and went out (mysteriously given for a goal kick)?

Also, shocked by how Pats centric Virgin medias coverage was. The commentary team really only saw things from the Pats perspective. A little bit nit-picky, and I know LOI TV is like that, but this is one of the worst I have seen this year and thought it would have been different because it was on Virgin.

I feel a bit bad for Mason Melia, despite what the comms were saying, he was awful and has lot to learn anytime I have seen him play. Some pitiful dives from him too. Forrester had a strange game too. Loved asking for miracles from his teammates with his passing.

I know its early doors in St Pats, but it is an interesting time in Kennys career. Throwing on a heap of attacking players that early (around the 70min), and losing some shape, looks like a manager that does not have faith in his squad anyways.

Kerry's first win over a Munster rival in the league. Two more games now before the mid season break, not that Kerry have a break. While they won't play on the Friday, the MSC final is on the following Monday June 24th against Waterford.

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Originally Posted by D24Saint

McCelland had a decent chance towards the end.

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Which went well wide v Kenny chance on 90+4 that Pats GK made a save and went out for a corner.

Bad night all round for Pats.

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Originally Posted by Jack B

I was more so making a point about the squad generally, the game today is just a very brief snapshot of the wider issues with it. I like Daly a lot but I think he did a shoddy job with building a balanced team, and left one that he, Stephen Kenny or most coaches would have a real job on their hands of making a success out of.

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Ok so here we go, Pats fans last 4 years.

SOD ' Let players contracts run down after cup final pen shootout win v Bohs in 2021. Then joined Dundalk.

JD ' Recruited badly and this is the reason why Pats are in their current predicament, but SK has been there for 5 games and already lost 3.

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Originally Posted by Shearer

Treaty second best in Tralee but were rode raw by some tragic officiating by referee Ryan Maher. Had more than one chance to send off several Kerry players.

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Kerry definitely play on the edge,no bother mixing it in the physical side of the game….

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Originally Posted by oriel

Ok so here we go, Pats fans last 4 years.

SOD ' Let players contracts run down after cup final pen shootout win v Bohs in 2021. Then joined Dundalk.

JD ' Recruited badly and this is the reason why Pats are in their current predicament, but SK has been there for 5 games and already lost 3.

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Genuinely don't know what you're getting at here? Kenny or anyone else taking over doesn't suddenly fix an (in my opinion) imbalanced squad. As I said I like Daly but I struggled to make sense of what he was trying to do with how he built the team. Not really sure what the relevance of the previous example from several years ago is either.

Kenny has an amazing ability to avoid responsibility for anything. Years as an ireland manager with beyond abysmal results and then comes into Pats and does worse than the guy he replaced and he is still Teflon. By the way if he had won the 3 games he lost he would be a point ahead or Rovers 5 off the top.
At this stage I'm wondering maybe has his reputation become bigger than his ability...

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Originally Posted by sbgawa

Kenny has an amazing ability to avoid responsibility for anything. Years as an ireland manager with beyond abysmal results and then comes into Pats and does worse than the guy he replaced and he is still Teflon. By the way if he had won the 3 games he lost he would be a point ahead or Rovers 5 off the top.
At this stage I'm wondering maybe has his reputation become bigger than his ability...

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I dont think so, al least not yet. He's only in the job, takes time to stamp your mark. SK will be thinking longer term in terms of how he will get the side playing. There are a few too many passangers to play with multiball and tempo. The fans were groaning when the side slowed things to retain possession and then build again but they may get used to it. We know SK wont sacrifice his hilosophy for pragmatism and breaking by going direct wont happen.

It would be pure LoI entertainment if St Pats are in a relegation fight at season end, Ive always said Id take 7th, but talk of SK being past it or not up to it is premature at best. It does seem to be Rovers fans that are quickest to question, wonder why?

With our budget in this historically bad league we should be 10 clear at least so I'm looking for distraction and deflection wherever I can get it. If we don't win the league this year it will be the greatest failure since devin loch

Kerry completely dominant against
Treaty (for the 3rd time this season), but at least converted 2 of the numerous chances created to get a well deserved 3 points this time.

Ref and the officiating crew in general had an absolute shocker. The inconsistency was barely believable and in the end it became a farce when it was well into the 92nd minute before the board for injury time went up for 4 minutes and they proceeded to play 7 minutes. Not even the ref could help Treaty get a point in the end though.

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Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa

Throwing on a heap of attacking players that early (around the 70min), and losing some shape, looks like a manager that does not have faith in his squad anyways.

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not in doubt, and rightly so. He's made it pretty clear theres going to be changes.

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Originally Posted by Jack B

Can only speak for myself but I don't really have much of an issue with individual players, it's just the balance of it all that doesn't work, and it's fine margins this season in what's a tight and competitive league. The goalkeeper situation has been dodgy, but it's more so been stuff like having one left back in the whole squad while on the other side is three right backs that can't complete a game between them, and having 5/6 attacking midfielders/wingers that are left-footed and physically lacking, which just makes it all quite predictable and imbalanced. For me it's more a case of poorly executed squad building than specific players being to blame.

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Honestly there are some excuses for Kenny there but this is still a Pat's team with Joe Redmond, Chris Forrester & Lennon very good LOI players then the likes of Turner, Conor Keely, Brandon Kavanagh, Cian Leavy, Jake Mulraney, Ruairi Keating and Mason Melia as either solid LOI starters or players with good potential to grow having shown something already. Plenty of managers would bite your hand off for a couple of those players in their squad. Sure the squad is a bit unbalanced but so are a lot of other LOI squads. Bohs also had 1 LB and 3 rb's untill the very recent signing of Jake Carroll. There's stuff like this all around the league.

Derry City seem to be to the only team Waterford can't compete with this season. 2 3-0 defeats in Derry and a 2-0 defeaqt at the RSC. We would have taken 4th place though more than halfway through the season and have 2 home games before mid season break to try get back on track.

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Originally Posted by Another Bohemia

Honestly there are some excuses for Kenny there but this is still a Pat's team with Joe Redmond, Chris Forrester & Lennon very good LOI players then the likes of Turner, Conor Keely, Brandon Kavanagh, Cian Leavy, Jake Mulraney, Ruairi Keating and Mason Melia as either solid LOI starters or players with good potential to grow having shown something already. Plenty of managers would bite your hand off for a couple of those players in their squad. Sure the squad is a bit unbalanced but so are a lot of other LOI squads. Bohs also had 1 LB and 3 rb's untill the very recent signing of Jake Carroll. There's stuff like this all around the league.

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Sure, but Bohs have also performed relatively poorly as a consequence and fans have been extremely critical of how they prepared for the season, resulting in Devine being sacked and huge question marks around Fenlon. That isn't making excuses for Reynolds (who has one win in seven i believe?), there's just wider context for the season and the situation he's come into.

Have no previous affinity for Kenny nor want to be seen to give him a pass or anything like that, but even compared to most Pats fans I speak to I just have a dimmer view of the squad. Between players having to be shoe-horned into positions to a general lack of natural athleticism/physicality that makes us easily bullied I don't think we can or have put out an eleven this season that makes me any way confident, outside of the initial, possibly blind optimism we all can have at the start of the season. Kenny thus far has been far from an immediate success but I didn't have that expectation for him to be.

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Originally Posted by Jack B

Sure, but Bohs have also performed relatively poorly as a consequence and fans have been extremely critical of how they prepared for the season, resulting in Devine being sacked and huge question marks around Fenlon. That isn't making excuses for Reynolds (who has one win in seven i believe?), there's just wider context for the season and the situation he's come into.

Have no previous affinity for Kenny nor want to be seen to give him a pass or anything like that, but even compared to most Pats fans I speak to I just have a dimmer view of the squad. Between players having to be shoe-horned into positions to a general lack of natural athleticism/physicality that makes us easily bullied I don't think we can or have put out an eleven this season that makes me any way confident, outside of the initial, possibly blind optimism we all can have at the start of the season. Kenny thus far has been far from an immediate success but I didn't have that expectation for him to be.

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Agreed that Bohs are still relatively poor but there was at least an uplift after the sacking of the previous manager. The opposite appears to be happening for Pat's. The squad problems at Bohs were/are also much more pronounced than the apparent problems at Pat's. You have to remember Bohs signed 3 of their preferred starting back 4 after the first game of the season one of whom is likely leaving soon as their loan expires.

From the outside looking in at Pat's they have better bones of a squad than Bohs, Dundalk, Drogheda Galway & Waterford. The argument is there to be made that they have better bones than Shels! As a result I suppose I, and others, expected to see a quicker turnaround in fortunes for Pat's when Kenny came in. Or even just more than 1 win at this stage. It will more than likely balance once you get a more settled selection and Kenny knows the players a bit better but I would be frustrated as a Pat's fan with the current results.

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Originally Posted by trevy

Derry City seem to be to the only team Waterford can't compete with this season. 2 3-0 defeats in Derry and a 2-0 defeaqt at the RSC.

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Waterford are the worst team we've played this year, by a distance. Given their great run of form, it's a strange one.
Again last night, horrendous defending. Could forgive the first, but Connolly being left unmarked in the six yard box for the second, and lazy play allowing a simple pass to Hoban for the third were awful.
Game was over at that point, with only half an hour played.

Paul McLaughlin was reffing, and bottled a couple of seconds yellow card decisions. Power should have went for kicking the ball away, and McDonald for a high tackle.

Main talking point of the second half was Arubi's push on Patrick McEleney, who has ended up with arm. He was great last night, but has been so unlucky with injuries. Presume that's him out for a couple of months at least.

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Originally Posted by Another Bohemia

Honestly there are some excuses for Kenny there but this is still a Pat's team with Joe Redmond, Chris Forrester & Lennon very good LOI players then the likes of Turner, Conor Keely, Brandon Kavanagh, Cian Leavy, Jake Mulraney, Ruairi Keating and Mason Melia as either solid LOI starters or players with good potential to grow having shown something already. Plenty of managers would bite your hand off for a couple of those players in their squad. Sure the squad is a bit unbalanced but so are a lot of other LOI squads. Bohs also had 1 LB and 3 rb's untill the very recent signing of Jake Carroll. There's stuff like this all around the league.

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Of all the players you've listed there all of them bar Melia and to a lesser extent Turner are all underperforming to an extent this season. Forrester and Leavy have been really poor in particular compared to last season. Forrester slows the play down far too much and is overdoing the highly ambitious passing this season. Leavy bar his assist for the goal against Galway on Friday never releasesthe ball at the right time, he's great at dribbling with the ball but there's no emd product.
Lennon is overrated somewhat imo, for a holding midfielder his positioning is all over the place compared to the likes of a McCormack or Coyle. He looked fairly leggy yesterday and the mid season break can't come quickly enough for him. Kavanagh is good from setpieces which is why he has a large number of assists but he's poor from open player and he's a hard player to figure out what his best position is because he lacks pace for a winger but lacks physicality for an attacking midfield role. Mulraney is hugely inconsistent, some times he's excellent other times he's a liability. Keating and Keeley just look average LOI players this season. Keeley doesn't look suited to a passing game. Keating struggles at holding the ball up which was a big issue when Daly was manager.
In Keating's defence and Mulraney and Redmonds too, I think they've all come back too quickly from injuries this season. All of them have gone off with knocks this season in the 1st half of matches and have been back a lot quicker than expected. Redmond in particular was back way quicker than expected. Redmond hasn't been as dominant as he was in 2022, I think that nasty injury he picked up last season has hampered him somewhat.

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Originally Posted by kksaints

Of all the players you've listed there all of them bar Melia and to a lesser extent Turner are all underperforming to an extent this season. Forrester and Leavy have been really poor in particular compared to last season. Forrester slows the play down far too much and is overdoing the highly ambitious passing this season. Leavy bar his assist for the goal against Galway on Friday never releasesthe ball at the right time, he's great at dribbling with the ball but there's no emd product.
Lennon is overrated somewhat imo, for a holding midfielder his positioning is all over the place compared to the likes of a McCormack or Coyle. He looked fairly leggy yesterday and the mid season break can't come quickly enough for him. Kavanagh is good from setpieces which is why he has a large number of assists but he's poor from open player and he's a hard player to figure out what his best position is because he lacks pace for a winger but lacks physicality for an attacking midfield role. Mulraney is hugely inconsistent, some times he's excellent other times he's a liability. Keating and Keeley just look average LOI players this season. Keeley doesn't look suited to a passing game. Keating struggles at holding the ball up which was a big issue when Daly was manager.
In Keating's defence and Mulraney and Redmonds too, I think they've all come back too quickly from injuries this season. All of them have gone off with knocks this season in the 1st half of matches and have been back a lot quicker than expected. Redmond in particular was back way quicker than expected. Redmond hasn't been as dominant as he was in 2022, I think that nasty injury he picked up last season has hampered him somewhat.

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This is all really interesting and you'll obviously know a lot more of the specifics than I will. From my point of view you would expect Kenny to be making some changes to address these issues? If Forrester is as poor as you're saying this season why isn't Kenny dropping him? He's probably one of the few managers with a reputation big enough that most people would support any change he makes. Similarly you would expect him to be a positive influence on players and getting them more consistent, maybe that's just a timing thing and will turn around sooner rather than later. If Kavanagh is as good from set pieces as your saying I think he needs to start for you more often than not. I have a similar feeling towards Rooney for Bohs. I really struggle to see what he brings when the ball is in play because he's not the fastest, strongest or most skillful player but he is deadly from a dead ball and if you give him the space to whip something in from open play then there's going to be chaos in the box. Even if he stands perfectly still the rest of the time he's a good addition to the team

I am enjoying this panic around St. Pats, but doubt it will last too long.

Still too big of a gap between them and relegation. A win on Friday against Drogheda , and Dundalk losing vs Shels, suddenly it looks grand again.

Dundalk have left a lot of points behind this year. Hopefully the luck is turning, but you never know. Easy for things to spiral, especially when you don't score goals.

Hard to see anyone else spiral for us to catch them. I thought Bohs or Sligo might, but they are capable of picking up points consistently. Again, feels like their is too big of a gap for us to catch.

Drogheda seem to be in a bad place. Heard of tension in the dressing room with the manager blaming the players a lot.

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Originally Posted by Another Bohemia

This is all really interesting and you'll obviously know a lot more of the specifics than I will. From my point of view you would expect Kenny to be making some changes to address these issues? If Forrester is as poor as you're saying this season why isn't Kenny dropping him? He's probably one of the few managers with a reputation big enough that most people would support any change he makes. Similarly you would expect him to be a positive influence on players and getting them more consistent, maybe that's just a timing thing and will turn around sooner rather than later. If Kavanagh is as good from set pieces as your saying I think he needs to start for you more often than not. I have a similar feeling towards Rooney for Bohs. I really struggle to see what he brings when the ball is in play because he's not the fastest, strongest or most skillful player but he is deadly from a dead ball and if you give him the space to whip something in from open play then there's going to be chaos in the box. Even if he stands perfectly still the rest of the time he's a good addition to the team

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Forrester was dropped for at least one match, possibly two by Daly but in the one I can remember against Waterford we improved considerably once he came off the bench. It's a tricky one because we all know what he's capable of and his replacement if we dropped him would be Aaron Bolger who'd probably give us more pressing but is much more inferior on the ball. Bolger did reasonably well for the most part when he played so I'm slightly surprised Kenny hasn't used him more particularly in the double header weekends.
The problem with Kavanagh is that he's awful when we don't have possession and that's a big liability when he's on the wing. If you play him as an attacking midfielder behind the striker he's rarely close enough to support the striker and you can't press high because he lacks the physicality to do it. Another slight issue with starting him just for his setpieces is that we have Mulraney (although his were dreadful yesterday), Forrester (2nd goal yesterday came from his corner) Lennon and McClelland (although he's a bit part player at this stage) who can all hit good setpieces.

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Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa

Great win for Dundalk. Really, we had more and higher quality chances in the second half to win it by more than Pats did to equalize. We always had a good defense, but were creating nothing. Hopefully with Daly, this is being fixed. Should have beaten Derry on Friday night too.

Frustrated with the pen. If that is a pen, why isnt it a pen for a handball up the other end, when the ball came off the Pats players elbow and went out (mysteriously given for a goal kick)?

Also, shocked by how Pats centric Virgin medias coverage was. The commentary team really only saw things from the Pats perspective. A little bit nit-picky, and I know LOI TV is like that, but this is one of the worst I have seen this year and thought it would have been different because it was on Virgin.

I feel a bit bad for Mason Melia, despite what the comms were saying, he was awful and has lot to learn anytime I have seen him play. Some pitiful dives from him too. Forrester had a strange game too. Loved asking for miracles from his teammates with his passing.

I know its early doors in St Pats, but it is an interesting time in Kennys career. Throwing on a heap of attacking players that early (around the 70min), and losing some shape, looks like a manager that does not have faith in his squad anyways.

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Agree on VM coverage, it's class but they've gone the sky sports route of getting personalities associated with clubs on instead of decent pundits. After they were beaten by Shels on VM a few weeks ago, Eoin Doyle said after the game how proud he was of the Pats performance???? Aside from the fact Pats were absolutely ****e, wtf is that about?

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Originally Posted by Another Bohemia

This is all really interesting and you'll obviously know a lot more of the specifics than I will. From my point of view you would expect Kenny to be making some changes to address these issues? If Forrester is as poor as you're saying this season why isn't Kenny dropping him? He's probably one of the few managers with a reputation big enough that most people would support any change he makes. Similarly you would expect him to be a positive influence on players and getting them more consistent, maybe that's just a timing thing and will turn around sooner rather than later. If Kavanagh is as good from set pieces as your saying I think he needs to start for you more often than not. I have a similar feeling towards Rooney for Bohs. I really struggle to see what he brings when the ball is in play because he's not the fastest, strongest or most skillful player but he is deadly from a dead ball and if you give him the space to whip something in from open play then there's going to be chaos in the box. Even if he stands perfectly still the rest of the time he's a good addition to the team

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We're in a weird position with Forrester where he's obviously loved, has a big reputation and has been given a big new contract, but he looks alarmingly past it all of a sudden this season. Hopefully it's just some kind of extremely sudden loss of form but I personally wouldn't have him starting currently. He just doesn't give Lennon enough help when they're playing as a pair.

Kavanagh should be starting for the reasons you say. I believe he still has the most assists in the league by a margin and that's with not being a regular starter. He's quite flimsy in open play but you can apply that to Leavy, Mulraney, Nolan, McClelland and so forth so that'll be an issue regardless.

Kenny seems set on gutting the squad anyway from what he's said. Will be interesting to see how it comes to pass given all the 2 and 3 year deals in the squad, but he's mentioned changing a few things in the summer and already speaking to players ahead of joining in the off-season. Giving himself a big job in the long term it seems, although at the moment I'd just be happy with a win on Friday!

It's a funny season for fans of a lot of sides in the league that can't enjoy the failings of other teams as you normally would, because their own is having such a shocker. Feels like it's not going to become "normal" at any point either.

Horrendous from Longford yesterday not to win from the position they were in,2 up in the 83rd minute to 2-2 before the 90th,both goals coming from long throws aswell ……

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We're in a weird position with Forrester where he's obviously loved, has a big reputation and has been given a big new contract, but he looks alarmingly past it all of a sudden this season. Hopefully it's just some kind of extremely sudden loss of form but I personally wouldn't have him starting currently. He just doesn't give Lennon enough help when they're playing as a pair.

Kavanagh should be starting for the reasons you say. I believe he still has the most assists in the league by a margin and that's with not being a regular starter. He's quite flimsy in open play but you can apply that to Leavy, Mulraney, Nolan, McClelland and so forth so that'll be an issue regardless.

Kenny seems set on gutting the squad anyway from what he's said. Will be interesting to see how it comes to pass given all the 2 and 3 year deals in the squad, but he's mentioned changing a few things in the summer and already speaking to players ahead of joining in the off-season. Giving himself a big job in the long term it seems, although at the moment I'd just be happy with a win on Friday!

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Watch out Derry, Duffy, Hoban, McEleney et all off to St Pats in November Dundalk FC MkIII. Gannon know where to be to win a league medal too.

Suspected broken arm suffered by Patrick McEleney yesterday evening….

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Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa

I am enjoying this panic around St. Pats, but doubt it will last too long.

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Pats will be ok and SK will end the season and prob try and do a clear out / offload. It is funny though reading all of panic stations from some Pats fans, blaming Daly for the squad, they have enough quality and a decent manager and first class training facilities at Abbotstown, they need to stop moaning.

Still on a high after last night, but we need to back it up v Shels, could easily slip down again, but I think we are building momentum. Should gave won that 4-2 last night, but its still the same 3 points..

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Originally Posted by oriel

Pats will be ok and SK will end the season and prob try and do a clear out / offload. It is funny though reading all of panic stations from some Pats fans, blaming Daly for the squad, they have enough quality and a decent manager and first class training facilities at Abbotstown, they need to stop moaning.

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I don't really get your point here. I've seen us in much worse states and in the grand scheme of things we're in a healthy position, it's not "moaning" we're just using a forum for its purpose and discussing the current issues on the pitch, of which there evidently is. If Daly wasn't mostly responsible for the current squad then who is? Why would he not be critiqued for it? I like the man a lot and think he's a good coach but this is part of the job. If there's so much quality, great facilities etc then why would a clear out/offload even be needed? I'm sure we won't be relegated myself, so no panic on that front, but it's hard to deny that the season wouldn't be an abject failure if that becomes the takeaway from it.

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Originally Posted by Jack B

I don't really get your point here. I've seen us in much worse states and in the grand scheme of things we're in a healthy position, it's not "moaning" we're just using a forum for its purpose and discussing the current issues on the pitch, of which there evidently is. If Daly wasn't mostly responsible for the current squad then who is? Why would he not be critiqued for it? I like the man a lot and think he's a good coach but this is part of the job. If there's so much quality, great facilities etc then why would a clear out/offload even be needed? I'm sure we won't be relegated myself, so no panic on that front, but it's hard to deny that the season wouldn't be an abject failure if that becomes the takeaway from it.

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I suppose it boils down to expectations now that Kenny is your manager. What were your expectations when he joined and what are they now? Given the fairly turbulent nature of results each week moving quickly up or down the table is a possibility.

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Originally Posted by Jack B

I don't really get your point here. I've seen us in much worse states and in the grand scheme of things we're in a healthy position, it's not "moaning" we're just using a forum for its purpose and discussing the current issues on the pitch, of which there evidently is. If Daly wasn't mostly responsible for the current squad then who is? Why would he not be critiqued for it? I like the man a lot and think he's a good coach but this is part of the job. If there's so much quality, great facilities etc then why would a clear out/offload even be needed? I'm sure we won't be relegated myself, so no panic on that front, but it's hard to deny that the season wouldn't be an abject failure if that becomes the takeaway from it.

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As SK will always want his own men in, he'll have an idea already who his targets are. Even with the current squad, Pats should be doing better, SK should prob be doing better, but early days.

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Originally Posted by Another Bohemia

I suppose it boils down to expectations now that Kenny is your manager. What were your expectations when he joined and what are they now? Given the fairly turbulent nature of results each week moving quickly up or down the table is a possibility.

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Mine haven't really changed, as disappointing a start as it's been. There was probably the feeling of an outside chance of pushing towards finishing 4th, but so much of the season has already passed that it feels unlikely we'll suddenly become consistently better than all of Waterford, Galway, Bohs and Sligo for the remainder of the year to be able to accomplish that. As you say the season has been a mess and there's lots of room for fluctuation, but because of exactly that it seems unlikely that a side that has been this poor will suddenly be one of the best performing over the last 15ish games.

I'd imagine he'll get backed to change as much as he can in the July window and maybe similar to Bohs a lot may depend on what happens there. Ideal world we'll maybe make 3/4 changes to the team, push for 4th, do well in the cup/lucky in Europe but some kind of middling finish seems to most likely outcome from where we're at now. The vibe seems that the pressure to deliver will be from next season on.

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Originally Posted by joey B

Suspected broken arm suffered by Patrick McEleney yesterday evening….

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I know i should be glad Derry wont have him for a couple of months but i cant help feeling sorry for him he has an awful time with normal type injuries (hamstrings/groins etc ) to get a broken arm for him is just nightmare stuff, only thing is when he comes back he should be fit to go a bit like Farrugia was from his shoulder injury rather than having to take it slowly

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Originally Posted by Nesta99

Watch out Derry, Duffy, Hoban, McEleney et all off to St Pats in November Dundalk FC MkIII. Gannon know where to be to win a league medal too.

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Just on Sean Gannon. If Shels were to win the title this year, how many league winners medals would that give him ? A lot of people probably forget that he got a medal with Pats in 2013, as well as his medals with Rovers and Dundalk. Some record.