me too and scotland also winning but i'm still on a downer after the Irish game.ah well such is lifeQuote:
Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie
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me too and scotland also winning but i'm still on a downer after the Irish game.ah well such is lifeQuote:
Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie
Annoyed wit hthe result. We played well in the fist half ubnlucky to have hit the post, a good save by given the game seemed to have 0-0 written all over it. Sat back to deep in the 2nd half and a great finish by terry henry.
Was all that seperated us really. A poor game and a poor result. I t is still all play for. See ye in cyrpus.
Kerr should be fired and here's why. Reid should have been subbed about five to ten minutes BEFORE Henry scored. He didn't even sub him at all!! I love the guy but he does not the the fitness for the full 90. Same with Morrison, he subbed him far to late against the Israelis.
Yes, it's true we don't have the players we once had but Kerr is really to blame for f-cking around with the subs today. Why didn't Holland or S Reid go in for A Reid?? Why not give take Dunne or Cunningham or Carr off and give Elliott a run for the last five minutes?? Garbage.
The FAI got what they paid for..an non-experienced manager that could never cut it with the best..we had the players to beat this french team..i know people will say France had Zidane,Henry and all the rest but they were average tonight and would have been rattled if we went at them..i have never seen Duff,Robbie Keane and anyother attacking player we have been held back so much..this was due to tactics and not the french team..i feel sorry for Kerr in a way because its the FAI's fault for hiring him and being AMATEURS as always..Kerr will have to go but maybe its best after the group finishes..and without naming names there are plenty of guys out there that would do a good job for our country if the Amateurs in Merrion Square are willing to get them..
Holland and reid were not on the bench for a start??? Kenny, O'Brien, Finnan, Harte, Doherty, Steven Reid, Elliott. were the subsQuote:
Originally Posted by vega007
just home from the game, not even my usual pint in the local before i hit the sack i'm soo disappointed...
first of all, Kerr hadnt a clue what to do when we went one down, not a clue. where was elliot or ANY other forward, should have pumped them on for the last 15.
secondy, keano had a great game, as did dunne, kenny and the two full backs, but maybe they could have gotten furthur more.
midfield - keano was good, killer was very inconsistant, duff was shyte, couldnt do anything with the ball and reid had his worst performance in an irish shirt.
forward - clint as usual ran his socks off but did nothing... robbie - i'm not gonna even bother to comment,
the french goal was brilliant, only needed 1 chance and took it. crowd were class except for the fat racist in the East Terrace Row 5 seat 71, he quietened his mokey noises and racist chants after we turned on him... how do scumbags like this get a ticket.
i cant even talk really, lost for words, just a cup of tea and bed is in order...
davey, i didn't hear you shouting in the pub, was listening out for ya though :D Was actually quiet i thought, maybe everyone was nervous, i know i was the first 5 mins until we started taking control. I am not too devastated to be honest, i was very annoyed at the defeat obviously, but i feel we played really well, only the last 15 mins did we run out of steam, our subs did not do much.
Duff was not getting the ball. Clinton did well, if only him and Robbie could have got the ball more often...and i wish those fcukers would stop pulling at clinton (maybe i should rephrase that! :eek: ) every opponent always rips the shirt of him and the ref rarely notices. :mad:
I was actually more disappointed after the Israel game/s, as we should have won one/both of them only for cheating ref/israelis/defensive decisions etc So this was not a huge shock for me, but i do feel that Germany is slipping away from us and i'm starting to feel like i did during the euro04 qualification. I just really hope that this groups gets weirder and things work out for us. It was clear how disappointed our players were after the game esp Reid, Duff and Given and also significant was the joy and huge relief on Henry's face after the game, he knows that his goal may turn out to be what saves them and gets them to Germany.
Glad our wee boys in green did the business in Belfast, Poland will be ever so grateful :D I just wish all the boys in green had won tonight.......Also, typical, I am going to the cyprus game and Clint won't be playing........maybe i can sit on the sidelines with him..... ;)
sniffle, slabber,
KT
:eek: :mad: the fcuker!!! that is NOT on, write to the FAI and complain about him, he will be banned from lansdowne, and then i and many other decent supporters who make supportive noise will move up the waiting list...Quote:
Originally Posted by VinnyL
Please write in about him, you have witnesses, it is not fair that d!cks like him have tickets :mad:
Tonight's match was one of those that you would expect could go either way.
It's the four points thrown away against Israel that I'm still fuming about.
But how good was Roy? He wiped the pitch with Zidane, Makelele and Vieira. That was possibly his best Ireland performance... ever?
I don’t think we should be speculating about replacement managers before the campaign is finished, but I’m just back from the game and am annoyed, so I’m going to do just that.
There is a quality Irish manager out there, who is currently out of a job, and who may fancy the “part-time” nature of international management.
Martin O’Neill anyone?
Looks like Sven could be available soon too! But please good god keep him away from these shores.
Just found out my brothers girlfriend put a bet on France to win......last time I talk to her
How many true "Premiership" players are in the team!? We've far too many players who are either crap or out of form. France brought on Cisse, we brought on Gary Doc. Says it all really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy
I think Kerr is being a bit over-ambitious in trying to play technical continental style football with players who for the most part aren't up to it. But I'm not sure anyone else could do any better. And as for O'Leary, on the basis that you could hold a meeting of all of his friends in football in a phonebox (quote Cascarino), that wouldn't bode well for squad unity.
We are a match for anybody when all eleven players are on form, but when Duff, Kilbane and Robbie go missing we are always going to struggle and the conveyor belt of talent coming through looks thin. If Willo Flood and Aiden McGeady are the great white hopes, then based on their U21 performances this week, we are in trouble.
Winning the nest two looks tough but isn't beyond us and then we'd be were most of us thought we'd be befoe the start of the campaign.
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Originally Posted by Dan K
Don't think thats right, if the Swiss draw with France and we beat the Swiss
they are out and we are in a play off.
A couple of things, our big hitters let us down. Duff and Keane, where were you? Nowhere to be found. Anyone who says Kilbane is in any way decent at this level is watching a different player, he can run all he wants there is NO quality there. O'Shea was awful.
On the other hand, Carr Dunne Cunningham and Given all played well in defence, Keane did the holding role well he just needs an in any way competent mid fielder beside to be creative. Reid was excellent I felt and Clinton worked hard but is lacking sharpness badly.
As for Kerr Garry Doherty? I'll say no more. The fact he's in the squad is an absolute joke, nevermind being replied on. There are plenty of better strikers than him out there, abroad and in our own league. He is an absolute joke, Kerr useing him constantly is even worse.
Incredible performance. Every tackle...it was number 6 getting up. And some idiots will have us believe he's finished!!Quote:
Originally Posted by brine3
Thought we were slightly unlucky in the game, though only slightly. Henry's goal was superb, completely out of the blue, Andy Reid hit the post. Thin line.
If we beat Cyprus (which we should do; they're not the team they once were when the could occasionally trouble the top teams) and Switzerland (hmmm...they're not a great team...and neither are we), then we're in the play-offs. That's all there is to it.
Those Israel games though. :mad:
Our problem seems to be we fade in games, we were all the French in the first half
but we fizzled out a little in the second half, similar to other games where we took
the lead then faded.
Having said that a draw would have been a fair result, just one moment of genius
changed it, had Reid's free kick gone in.........
We should beat the Swiss though, they don't have any world class players to come back from premature retirement. The French team today is amongst the best in the world.
Sems to be the same sceál with everyone tonight regarding the two isreali games... and i agree. A notable performance from the 'fast declining roy keane', Zidane (one of the best I ever saw) was shackled from the word go, Roy was immense, brilliant, don't think either side deserved the win, but football is lucky or unlucky, henry got one shot on goal and did the business, Duff i feel was marked out of the game esp if the likes of makelele/gallas was in the defense or calling shots (homework done). Defense was solid, french wasted a lot of balls forward, due to non availability of forward players. I often get the feeling that we perform based on the other teams ability - **** teams drag us down to their level, whereas we perform to top standards against the best opposition, we seem to have no consistency or as derek smalls (spinal tap) said it - luke-warm water, we can't seem to bridge that gap between the **** and the great, we can beat either but never live up to the potential, its poxy, and a poxy feeling after tonight, but we're not out of it yet and i'm looking forward with gutso to the remaining two games ....
First half was 50/50.
I would not like to hide behind the fact that it was a beaut of a goal from a subdued Henry that made the difference and contrast it with Robbie's great chance in 2nd half when the goal opened but he only half hit his shot. The lines may appear thin but not as thin as our squad looked last night. We can only defend behind our half way line while the French start effectivly closing down our back 4 and midfield. I thought a draw at least up to when Henry scored. Too many players were outplayed, Kenny, Dunne and Roy were outstanding.
Our hopes have sunk somewhat, not so much by the defeat but realising it will take some performances to win the next two games and you wonder do we have them. I would not want the last game against the Swiss just to be the fanfare media hyped consolation farewell to Roy and Kenny while we are held to a draw. First spot has gone now without question and we can only hope to be struggling for the scraps with Switzerland in October.
Tonight Thierry Henry IS having a laugh.
Lets just beat cyprus and swiss. i know wev seen it all before, groups that wev had numerous chances of taking by the scruff of the neck but that always manage to let slip away with crap results. but lets just hope against hope that we mite break the mould and actually grind out a couple of good results and make the play offs. enough talk about getting rid of kerr until after the groups done. if he dosent get us to Germany i agree he needs to go, but while we still hav a chance lets get behind them.
.......but its just oh so familiar...........
If we can't win our last two games, we don't deserve to be in the world cup. Simple as.
More than capable of winning the last 2 games as long as we don't get too downbeat about the result last night.
A draw would've been a fair result, there was a lot of huff and puff from both sides without creating an awful lot. It was always going to need a moment of magic from someone to win it and the odds were on the French doing it considering the amount of possible matchwinners they had.
We played well though I thought and RMK was very good.
My marks out of 10.
Given-7.5, Carr-6, Dunne-7.5, Cunningham-7, O'Shea-5.5,
Reid-6.5, Kilbane-6, Keane-8, Duff-6,
Morrison-6, Keane-6.
thought we played well last night defending but we never looked like scoring. should still get the wins we need. but when was the last time this Irish team beat anybody that was a half decent team in a competitive match? holland 2001 it was i think. since then we havent beaten russia,switzerland,france,israel and the swiss again.
atmosphere last night was super for once. how did it come across on the telly?
I thought we played well last night and didn't deserve to lose. However in saying that there were a couple of disappointing performances from people we needed on their game if we were going to win. Duff for one - unfortunately didnt produce a piece of magic that we know he can do (difference between a win and not winning) and robbie keane was poor too (big fan of his though).
Refuse to buy a paper today cos im sure at least 1 will run with the story that robbie keanes poor performance was down to having a few pints last friday - i dare 1 paper to say it, f**king wan*er journalists :rolleyes: .
Doherty is muck - Doyle wouldve done a better job than him.
Kerr will probably get loads of stick, doesnt deserve it imo. If robbie keane hadnt have got injured against israel at home we wouldve beaten them and be in a far better position. Unlucky lastnight.
Still confident that we'll win our last 2 matches - havent really looked at the table and worked out all the scenarios so sont know if that will be enough for 2nd spot
i think it was myself and terryphelan who were the realists. i didnt think we would lose 2 or 3 nil but i thought a couple of minutes of magic from zidane would create the win for them....i was wrong....it was zidane. the best team lost in my opinion, henry had about 4 touches and once chance last night, but its the optimism i spoke of yesterday that i beleived was unfounded. eirebhoy may come back with his statistics and the likes, but at the end of the day we lost. it was extremely hard to take last night, i am still depressed over the result but i was very happy with the way we played last nite. keane and reid were quality in my opinion. Gallas had duff in his pocket. that keane "penalty" chance in fairness wasnt a penalty, but morrisons shirt was being tugged for his shot which i thought should have been a penalty.
fair play brian kerr. you made up for the other games. if only we had played like that against israel..... :( :( :(
Did he???? I thought Duff played on the left with Reid on the right....considering Gallas played at left back that would mean he was marking Andy Reid...Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Very tough to take the result last night I felt we definately deserved something from the game. We just didnt have a Henry for a touch of magic, and it always looked like that is what it would take. Given did well enough, he is not the greatest keeper ever but he is good and I dont think he could be faulted last night. Carr gave his all but seemed to me to tire towards the end. Considering Dunnes history I thought he put in a good performance again he is not a top class defender but he did his job in the main. Cunningham was excellent and as always raises his game in an Irish shirt even though he is quite limited overall. O'Shea, not great but I lost faith in his abilities long ago so Im just happy he didnt have any howlers. Robbie Keane was poor for me but then I can hardly remember the last time I thought he had a good game so its a bit much to expect him to pull it out of nowhere against France when he cant make the spurs team, but in fairness he did try and the same goes for Morrission, struggling at club level but he put his heart into it. Roy Keane as always the only really top class act that we posess how I wish he was 10 years younger! So considering the players we have you look to the only 20 million rated player we have they guy who plays regularly and plays with the premiership champions......Duff. AWOL last night and Im sorry but I dont think thats acceptable from him on an occassion last night, His tackiling was poor, he made very few runs and rarely took people on, for me he was more concerned with avoiding Injury and because we needed something special I felt that he was the worst performer in an Irish shirt and was very let down. Thats several games now where he has done poorly to OK and considering how highly he is rated thats just not good enough. Also thought Finnan should have come on for Reid who tired and to be honest Reid incrreasingly looks over rated too, decent but by no means a magical unlocker of defences
He still hasn't the bottle to see it through to the end. Doherty is way off the standard required. Why isn't Elliot being given some experience at least? Are we going to persist with that mad ape up front?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Sagnol was marking Duff.
i have full intentions of writing/emailing them... who do i write to in the FAI?? do you reckon they'll even take it seriously. so ashamed that if this a***hole it was great the way we all turned on him though. he didnt sing 1 irish song for the whole game either...Quote:
Originally Posted by kerr's tribe
They had two or three on Duff most of the time.
Kerr did nothing worthy of praise, the moment he brought on Doherty all hope was lost.
I though both teams played very poorly last night and a draw would have been a fairer result. We needed all our top players to play well and unfortunatley while RMK and Given played very well, Duffer and Robbie were poor. I thought we gave them too much space to build from in their half and should have put them under more pressure higher up the field. Especially in the second half they had too much possession of the ball and are alway us likely to hurt you with a moment of genius in that scenario. Once we went behind I just couldn't see where we were going to get a goal from. We made no effort to play the ball out wide and just hoofed balls up to Doherty. I would have liked to have seen Elliott come on for Morrison (who I thought played reasonably well but seemed knackered when he was subbed but it could just as easily have been Robbie who was replaced).
We can win our last two games but it is going to be difficult. I think it would be madness to replace Kerr at this stage of the campaign. If we don't make the play offs then I think that would be the time to make a change. At this stage Switzerland haven't done anything more than us to deserve the playoff place.
Thats absolutely awful people like that should deffo not be given tickets in the future. Email the FAI at info@fai.ie and mark it for the attention of the ticket office. They have details of where all tickets are sent to. At least they will know which football club got that ticket!Quote:
Originally Posted by VinnyL
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
When any oppostion team sees Doherty coming on, they must know its the same thing as admitting defeat.
Absolutely. It's one thing for an international not making the Scumski first team and playing for Ireland, and another not playing for Norwich. Elliot would have done no worse that Doherty. The man needs to decide if he's a defender or a forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
Losing to France is not the problem (seeing we picked up a point in Paris). It will be the four points lost to Israel that will prove decisive. Unless the Swiss beat France (which I doubt) then winning the next two games would give us a play-off place - something we would have thought was our best hope a year ago. However I wouldn't put money on this side beating either, such is Kerr's inability to win games against even mediocre opposition in their own back yard or half decent ones in his own.
Pure class. Ray D'Arcy said he was watchin on telly, and Jim (foot in mouth) Beglin said after 65 mins "George, I can't believe how quiet Henry is"...the rest is history.
I'm probably being a little over critical here, but did anyone else think Shay was a little caught off his line by it??
thanks i'll do that, but will they even take it seriously?? if he didnt shut up after we all confrounted him we would have called a steward overQuote:
Originally Posted by deego11
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Originally Posted by Slash/ED
Agreed....That really topped it all off. After already resorting to the long ball we then bring on Doherty. An absolute out and out disgrace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One instance when he went up for a header with Boumsong and they both missed and the ball gets mysteriously tangled up in The Doc's legs was awful. You could here the pain in the groan from pit of 35.000 stomachs. Is this really good enough for Ireland. I fuppin don't think so.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sorry yes, sagnol got booked for fouling duff, you are right he was on duff.
what really annoys me is people here saying that we dont play a long ball etc, and kerr getting annoyed that other teams see us as long ball opportunists, the simple fact is WE ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WE ALWAYS resort to the long ball if things arent working out for us...so the one good thing that comes from this is people here will cop on and hopefully too will kerr, that we do play the long ball a lot.
no, thought that myself. also thought henry was given too much space for it. Not taking anything away from the goal though, super finish