Fair play to Shams. Where’s McBennett now after him saying they’ll show the champions at least
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Fair play to Shams. Where’s McBennett now after him saying they’ll show the champions at least
Don't think RTE will take much notice but that's a pity.
Fair play, I'd given their games a miss after last year's coverage (and the pitch tbh) but love hearing that the effort has been put in. I wonder if being run from overseas helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
How much of motivation for the Rovers statement has to do with their requirements to provide camera angles for VAR I wonder?
After the Devoy farce another more ridiculous behaviour from Shamrock Rovers loaded with threats to affect LOI games. No LOI team has any entitlement to the national broadcaster showing their European games live and RTÉ are currently in full cost containment mode on anything beyond their existing commitments, LOI teams have always been way down their list of priorities even when they grudgingly shown European games live it's no shock they don't the appetite currently
Wasnt it Rovers that spoke loudest about the negative impact of games being televised live a few years ago with talk of resfusing RTE permission to show games in Tallaght? They were correct about lack of a fee involved for broadcasting rights then, they are right about these games not being broadcast now albet RTE have a real exuse currently. But its a mixed message regardless of the rights or wrongs.
In this life, most are content to be sheep, but only those strong enough and confident enough can go on to be the shepherd.Quote:
Originally Posted by total hoofball
I think Shamrock Rovers have a point there, but I would extend the criticism beyond not showing Rovers games to not showing any of the Irish teams in Europe. What makes it even more absurd is that there are European games on Irish free to air TV this week: On Tuesday, Virgin 2 are showing Bodo Glimt vs Red Star Belgrade, on Wednesday, Virgin 2 are showing Kyiv vs Salzburg and RTE 2 are showing Young Boys vs Galatasaray. Those are Champions League Playoffs rather than Europa League or Conference League, but still...
Contractually they have to show the playoff round. It’s a bit crazy nowadays when all of the big nations qualify for the groups automatically
That was about the 7:05 kick off times RTE used to change games to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Don't let your Rovers blinkers blind you. There is no entitlement to show games but surely there are some minimum expectations we are allowed expect. Club GAA games and under 20 rugby are regulars on rte. I've paid my licence fee (probably shouldn't have bothered) and I've sheled out 60 or 70 euros on streams watching Rovers ,pats , shels.Quote:
Originally Posted by total hoofball
Nothing will change with how we are treated as a league if we all just accept we are 2nd class citizens with no rights to expect anything.
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When did Eric Cantona join the group?Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
An going problem for the league marketing wise is the lack of a consistent standalone time for the star game of the weekend. Solving that should be crucial for the marketing of the league.
When the majority of us are supporting our own clubs on a Friday, we should be able to comfortably watch a star game from the league on another evening. Saturday night seems the most suitable, though it might clash with some other events on occasion.
Saturday night would be a tough sell to the general public I think. Most people have plans with friends or family on Saturday evenings so Saturday night TV is the last thing they are thinking of. I think Virgin were right with the Thursday slot. It's ****e for the teams but there's very little competition for viewers and you will get LOI neutrals at home as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
On the Rovers statement. I think they managed to pick the one time that people might side with RTE. It's been a massive summer of sport on RTE with the Euros, Olympics and GAA all being televised. The Olympics and Euros getting pretty much all day coverage when they were on. Average Joe and Joan are going to see a statement saying "we should've been on TV" and think Rovers want to be shown above those big 3 events which undoubtedly drew bigger audiences and sponsorship money than any LOI game ever has. With RTE and the financial debacle they needed to prioritize money making ventures and they would undoubtedly get support from the majority of the public for that.
Fair point as well. Possibly clubs need to vote on Thursday, Saturday or Sunday?Quote:
Originally Posted by Another Bohemia
For the standalone games, I'm not even thinking about terrestrial TV stations as they cannot be relied upon. Through LOITV, the clubs should build a consistent kick off for the star game. The marketing for LOITV then should be guarantee of being able to watch a star game of the week, while still supporting your own club on a Friday night.
No clubs will want to take a hit on the standalone games. At the same time it should be an investment for marketing the league.
Too be honest I blame the FAI over the years for not sorting out some form of TV contract. Has anyone in the organisation ever come up with a proposal and made an offer to any of the TV networks such as RTE, VIRGIN or SKY!
Why not hire an advertising company to produce a proposal that would include a full season package that maybe covers a weekly game plus highlights of other fixtures and present it to the networks. Instead we have RTE and now VIRGIN picking and choosing games to suit their schedule.
You could offer seperate packages for the League, FAI CUP & European competitions.
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Am I wrong in thinking that RTE had to be strong armed into even doing a highlights package and that the LOI rights were tied to the national team rights because no one wanted them? Or was that just spin from Delaney at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by nr637
I think Rovers are throwing a bit of a hissy fit, but Bodo Glimt vs Red Star Belgrade, Kyiv vs Salzburg, and Young Boys vs Galatasaray? I think the Irish public probably have a little more interest in Rovers and St Pats.Quote:
Originally Posted by sidewayspasser
RTE will broadcast two parishes taking on each other in GAA on a Saturday evening! Generally the only people who care are the two communities involved.
When Shamrock Rovers are in group/ league phase of europa/ europa conference leagues, and maybe pats will they be on tele? If premier sports have the rights would that mean they would rather show English/ Scottish teams? Just wondering. Didn’t realise premier sports had the rights to europa leagues
I think that's a contractual obligation as part of getting the group stage games though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Straightstory
I see the contractually obligated to show a playoff game bit a lot. Do they actually have to show one, or are they just saying they have to show one because they've paid for it?
Contractually obliged means contractually obliged, it's not just a phrase thrown about. Similar for Premier Sports who will be contractually obliged to show Rovers games in EL/ECL League stage - in fact they will be host broadcasters.
If I was a in charge I'd sell LOI as a package with the National Team coverage (at least 1 game per week) And I'd put a high enough price on it so that the clubs get decent tv money in the income statement.
Take it or leave it. Leave it and we use LOI tv exclusively for league and National Team.
Think that was done previously, and cliubs got little or nothing out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingdomkerry
You can only sell what someone will buy.
Yes it was bundled together before but the FAI valued the club portion of the deal as zero to the whole package, so the clubs got nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
But this time they have the leverage of LOI tv in that they can show the games anyway. Wait until there is uproar from the public that a big Ireland game is not on tv because RTE won't pay for the package which is a fraction of champions league etc.
Irelands games in euros and World Cup qualifiers and finals are protected events that have to be shown on free to air TV. There is talk about nations league being added to that list
Everyone here is talking like the LOI is suddenly making game changing money via LOITV. Does anyone actually know the breakdown of subscribers and viewership figures? Yes the league is in a better place than when the rights were valued at 0 but it's still a niche market. In my group of friends there's a handful of us that are regular LOI goers and I'm the only one that has a season pass for LOITV. Ironically enough more people I know would watch a parochial football or hurling match on RTE or GAA Go than a league of Ireland game outside of maybe a Bohs v Rovers game. Even then it'd be the lads who wanted to put a few quid on the game.
AFAIL after expenses the payout to the clubs was in the single thousends figure for the bigger ones with more viewers. its nothing really but the service is brillient and my season pass is the best money i spend every yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Another Bohemia
Agreed, I love it but it's not a cash cow and kind of shows how niche the LOI actually is. Yes there's an argument to be made that by being on terrestrial TV there will be more of an audience but you'll have a hard time convincing RTE, Virgin media, sky sports or whoever that full control of rights to LOI games is worth anything based on the LOITV numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
LOITV revenue and numbers would be a hell of a lot higher if it weren't for IPTV. There's thousands of people watching games live on LOITV, but not through the LOITV website.
If LOITV were a bit more accessible, easily added to smart TV or android box, or phones and tablets through an app, I'd wager it would cut down at least a portion of the people using IPTV to watch the games.
I disagree. Netflix, Disney+, prime video etc lose plenty of subscribers to IPTV. They are some of the easiest services to use, come pre installed on many smart TV's are available in all app stores and work well across most devices. People who have IPTV aren't going to buy another subscription for LOI games regardless of how easy it is to use.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Both points are true
If every dodgybox were shut down tomorrow, I'd say a very small proportion would take up LOI TV subscriptions.
But there's no doubt that the current service is very user-unfriendly, and needs to be upgrated to a proper app / Smart TV service. Not being able to cast from an Apple device is woetious
I cast from an Apple phone to a Samsung tv
Did the FAI value the league part as zero? Or was that realistically a reflection of what the market saw its value as? I suspect it was the latter.Quote:
Originally Posted by holidaysong
Again - you can't sell what people won't buy.
Oohhh look at you, an apple phone and a Samsung tv.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckett
I'm not quite sure how to say this, but, I'm kind of a big dealQuote:
Originally Posted by Shinkicker
At the time I think it was a little of both. Wasn't this during the height of the recession and when Delaney was King or patron saint or whatever he labeled himself as of the FAI. So Delaney certainly didn't care for the league but there was also less money floating around to buy rights to a league with small viewership.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
The best success LOI had in the media was getting things online.
Having the goals/incidents on Twitter quickly has done far more for the league than RTE has ever done.
LOI needs to use alternative means to promote itself, rather than the traditional methods. Having a free game every week on LOI TV or YouTube is something that can be easily done. Or be more experimental with its promotional material.
LOI, as a league entity, have done great work rebranding, and there is fantastic media out there regarding things like podcasts and vlogs.
The League has grown massively because of these things, and it is more important to keep fostering this, rather than just asking RTE to actually follow their remit.
As an institution, RTE sees itself above anything outside themselves, wholly arrogant, and has insulated themselves into their a world where they see themselves alone set the importance of things in Ireland.
Asking them to change, no matter how justified, is a losing battle.
The weekly free game on YouTube is definitely worth a trial. They do it in the MLB once a week & im sure other sports do it aswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa