Whats going on there, surely a player who can play
really well against a good international side, merits a
place on a championship team!!
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Whats going on there, surely a player who can play
really well against a good international side, merits a
place on a championship team!!
Hard to call on that one, it was Mowbray's first game in charge, so he hasn't really had time to get to know the players. Give it another 2-3 games and see if he starts to get his place back then
There's no point in changing a winning team. If he didn't get suspended I'd say he'd be in the team.
Curtis Davis is a young English CB who had rave reviews last season when they were in the Premiership and is valued at (typically for a young English player) well over £5 million. Arsenal were charged £8 million by WBA when they came looking.
Chris Perry, ex of Spurs, is their other CB, and has just the type of experience a promotion chasing team should have.
Davis will probably be sold before too long and Perry isn't exactly one for the future. Davis missed most of September through injury and McShane deputised, sometimes playing well but not always.
Mowbray has a reputation for developing & trusting young players so McShane's time will come I'm sure.
Considering Mowbrays history with young talent, I'd say he's going to be a good thing for McShane.
Some people here seem to think that McShane has been playing week in week out for West Brom. They say that its good for the National team that a guy playing regular football is getting into the squad. The fact is that McShane has only played seven times this season ( two of these as a sub ).
McShane was has not commanded a first team place at any stage this season.
Curtis Davies got injured at the start of September and McShane took his place in the team. He played in the following 6 games but got sent off. Davies took his place in the team for the next game and West Brom won the following 3 games. McShane played against Arsenal tonight so we'll see if he stays in the team but chances are the manager will go back to the team that was doing well. He isn't going to drop Davies or Perry while they're doing so well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darco Ooragnak
btw, McShane has never come off the bench for West Brom. All his league appearances were consecutive starts aswell as starting all 3 League cup games.
Not trying to rip McShane but Aladiere beat him on the wing which led to the penalty shot, which Aladiere banged home.
Mistakes like that won't help his chances to secure a starting spot.
There isn't a player alive who hasn't made mistakes or been taught a lesson by someone. All part of the learning curve.
Aliadiere is widely considered to be one of the most talented forwards at Arsenal but injury has hampered his progress. McShane isn't the first defender to come unstuck against him and certainly wont be the last.
As I said lads, not trying to rip him. Just pointing out to the thread starter that McShane isn't the finished article just yet.
In other words, just because he had a fantastic debut with Ireland, doesn't mean his spot should be secure for either club or country.
I think he will be a great player, but he should be considered a work in progress at the moment.
good point irish.
mcShane had a superb debut and deserves all acolades he has got since. however, we have seen many false dawns and shouldn't get carried away with it just yet.
but he definately deserves his place in the starting 11 next time out - espically because we are playing san marino (ie another cap and should be relatively hassle free) and his main competition is andy o'brien who is playing even less with his club
I agree, McShane should be in the starting 11 against San Marino.
He deserves it and is probably the best option.
Some guys instantly take to international football despite being ordinary for their club. Kenny Cunningham was one who I was always confident in.
Even Andy O'Brien (until Cyprus!). I thought O'Brien was excellent in Basle, Stuttgart & other games.
Dare I say it but I thought Gary Breen got a bum steer from many Irish fans.
Oh no doubt some players take to the international game Stutts.
I'd say passion is more important at the international level than skill or tactics, and you can really see that passion in McShane.
Sure organization is always important, but I really doubt the ability of any manager to make a complicated, effective strategy and educate the players within the span of under a week.
Motivation and desire, along with wise team selection are more important at international level, while at club level, tactics and skill really play more of an important role over a long season.
Obviously you don't eliminate desire from the club game, or tactics from the international game, but the importance of these two factors is not equal in every game.
the majority of us have only seen him play the once. his club see him day in day out - maybe he's not consistent enough for a regular spot. we can judge if they are right or not when he has a few more international games under his belt.
I saw him at U21 level & he excelled against the Swiss at Tolka. My Brighton supporting mate really rates him. But yes, he has made errors for WBA so it's all work in progress still.
Passion is important but no way is it more important than skill. If that was the case half of us would have legitimate claims to be picked.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
Within reason man, use your head.Quote:
Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse
If you've got a Premiership player with little or no passion, sit him for a Championship player with bucketloads of passion.
Off the top of my head, I'd pick McShane over O'****e for center back.
Aye fair enough, just say "within reason" the next time then ;)
There's a good 4 page article on McShane in the ST.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspap...427061,00.html
Doesn't credit a journalist, probably Rowan.
He's in the "Boy's a bit special" feature in this month's FourFourTwo as well, the one with Rooney on the cover
Great write up on him .. didn't know about his outburst in the dressing room at halftime of the czech game. we should not be worried about him ... looks like he is a chip off the old keane block.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I wonder will he go onto to play in centre midfield though?
Hopefully his performance against the Czechs is the first of many great games played by him. And with that fire in his belly, i can only say that i could grow to love this guy.
I don't think it's anything to worry about that he is a sub at the moment. He's a class player and won't be ignored for too much longer.
great article, probably the best i've read in a while about a young playerQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir
seems well able to handle anything thrown at him, but he'll need to be gettin regular first team football fairly soon
Quality article alright (although I wouldn't describe Cry Palace as being local rivals of Brighton !!!!!).Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
McShane looked class on his Lansdowne debut & it seems that he has the temperment & drive to go with it. Please God, he doesn't turn out to be another John O'Shea or Liam Miller ..........
they hate eachother becuase of something said by the manager of crystal palace after a cup match in the 70's. they hate eachother.Quote:
although I wouldn't describe Cry Palace as being local rivals of Brighton
I hope we're not all building him up too much. He looks like a good prospect but we've seen a lot of them over the years..........
There was an article about it in FourFourTwo a while back, in the "More than a game.." section. Even though they are 60 miles apart, they truely, truely despise each otherQuote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Yeah, McShane's jersey that he wore in the Palace game was sold for about £1k on Ebay.
Great article or not, there is a lot of worrying things to be read in that piece.
Oh dear , oh dear. I really am starting to lose faith in this squad. More and more I feel like why should I bother wasting time and money supporting them.Quote:
A few of his more senior teammates took exception and thought the novice was trying to showboat on his first outing with the Ireland squad.
We don't have to worry about this guy I think. It gets said a lot, probably unwisely so but he's got the proverbial wise headQuote:
"McShane set himself a goal of playing for Ireland at under-14 level. Having achieved that, he went on the trial circuit to England that clubs in Dublin are happy to put young teenagers through. “A lot of different scouts came to watch when I was on trials with Irish teams. There were a lot of different games and a lot of different players, it was like a cattle market"
Senior players taking exception to McShane.
It might have happened then again it might not have happened.
More likely to have been that the statement was the product of what is called journalistic licence.
lol, also known as twisting the truthQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir
West Brom drew 3-3 last night in the Championship with their defence coming in for particular criticism from the new manager Tony Mowbray. McShane sat on the bench all night but I have a feeling we won't be waiting too long before he breaks back into the first team...
True enough but it was the Swiss clown in goal who was at fault for 2 of the goals not the centre-halves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba
KOH
I love this story but I'm a bit confused. If he doesnt like smug, happy to accept mediocrity, lazy gits why does he room with O'Shea.
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Originally Posted by cavan_fan
They're the original odd couple...{cue title music} :o
Probably knew him better than the rest of the squad from his time at United.
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Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
Saw the goals on Sky and the defence looked a total shambles.