This is a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
What happened to the idea of the women's FAI Cup Final being before the men's?
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This is a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
What happened to the idea of the women's FAI Cup Final being before the men's?
Very hard to do that though because of the possibility of extra time (?) and penalties. Means you have to allow for either eating into pre-match warm-up time for the second game, or have such a big gap that no-one wants to hang aroundQuote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Didn't the women's final one year go to penalties, and the men's teams were warming up during the shootout?
I think regular 40k+ attendances for the final means there's no need to gimmicks for the Cup final tbh. Play the playoff home and away and let each team get one sellout gate and an easy promo night I think
It did. 2015 or 2016 I think. The men's teams were warming up on one end of the pitch, and the women's shootout took place on the other end.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
It was a pretty crap. A small amount of fans spread around the ground meant it probably wasn't a great experience for the players too.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
2015, Shels v Wexford in the shootout. Dundalk and Cork warming up in one half together and they werent that fond of each other so it was a lot more entertaining than the penalties even for some of those who had an interest in the womens final. Passes being pinged badly wayward in the direction of opposition heads, footballs being held on to, plenty of verbals in earshot of the crowd, semi scuffle over who was getting the goal for keepers warm up - best prematch entertainment ever!
The gap between the games was huge, especially if you weren't having a drink, which I wasn't as the finals wer eheld on Sundays. Twice left after the women's match and before the men's during the dark years of Cork - Dundalk finals.
Think the women wanted their own day, and they are due it.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
Having the playoff final before the FAI cup is a nice idea in principle but not sure if its practical. With a large proportion (if not majority) of the fans of the playoff teams looking to leave or enjoy celebrations in or around the ground, there would be fans of FAI cup final teams starting to enter the ground would lead to congestion issues, also could limited ticket availability for participating clubs.
Then there is the question( probably a unlikely scenario) of what happens if a team is involved in both games
Think it is unlikely Shels' women's team would reach the men's Cup final alright. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Neish
Yeah playing them on the same day is impractical. But a weekend where they are played on consecutive days would be good. As the venue is neutral I think having it on a Saturday at an earlier time would make sense to make it easier on fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neish
That said from a club perspective I'd prefer the old two legged approach rather than the one offs.
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Originally Posted by Neish
They'd be well warmed up for the cup final.
#WinnerStaysOn.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
I don't think there needs to be a match on before the Final and if there was one I certainly wouldn't recommend the relegation playoffs final for it with the potential for very angry fans from the relegated club mixed with fans from the finalists. That could get nasty fairly quickly. The Women's final was badly overshadowed by the men's final when they were on together so an independent day for them is much the better option for promotioning the Women's game and possibly for the coffers of the FAI also.
If there is a need for a match to be on before the finals then I'd suggest one of the underage Cup finals like the u-19 or u-17 cups. I know it's quite GAA but those matches don't get much attention anyway so it wouldn't be overshadowed so much plus it shouldn't require any issues with crowd segregation etc. Gives the youngsters some reward for their efforts during the season also.
The womans final was an embarressment when it was in the Aviva.
i went along early one year to watch it and i doubt there was 1000 people in the place and i felt sorry for the players.
There own day makes 100% sense then rattleing around in an empty stadium
double-headers are woejus, leave that to the GAA
Some random stats...
This will be the 29th Promotion/Relegation Playoff. The record stands at 14 Premier Division wins and 14 Division 1 wins. In 2006 Dundalk beat Waterford as a Division 1 club but weren't promoted.
11 of the Division 1 finalists have finished the season as runners-up, 16 have been the third placed finisher (for the first 9 playoffs it was top 2 promoted and 3rd into a playoff) and one fourth placed finisher reached the final, Longford in 2020 and they won their final.
It works well in the GAA, especially for league games when they have hurling/football on the same day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burnsie
If it's Championship, it could be a replay, or the extra time is shorter, so you can leave less of a gap.
Could only work for cup final day if we went back to having replays instead of extra time. Something I'd like to see myself, but can't see it happening.
GAA are obviously shorter matches too but also played in stadiums with much larger capacity. I've been to a few double headers in Croke Park and it does work well but I just don't think the same would work in LoI.Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
There is the list of finals below. If you to split the 28 finals by the most recent 14 finals then it's 10 victories for the First Division teams which is a trend indicates a narrowing of the gap between the divisions over the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by JC_GUFC
2023 will be Waterford's record 9th promotion/relegation play-off final and first team to play in 3 consecutive play-off finals.... they have lost all 8 of the previous.... surely they can't screw up again???
Season - Premier Division Team - First Division Team
1992-93 Waterford United vs Monaghan United (W)
1993-94 Cobh Ramblers (W) vs Finn Harps
1994-95 Athlone Town (W) vs Finn Harps
1995-96 Athlone Town vs Home Farm Everton (W)
1996-97 Dundalk (W) vs Waterford United
1997-98 UCD (W) vs Limerick
1998-99 Bohemians (W) vs Cobh Ramblers
1999-00 Waterford United vs Kilkenny City (W)
2000-01 UCD (W) vs Athlone Town
2001-02 Longford Town (W) vs Finn Harps
2002-03 Drogheda United (W) vs Galway United
2003 Derry City (W) vs Finn Harps
2004 not held
2005 Shamrock Rovers vs Dublin City (W)
2006 Waterford United vs Dundalk (W)
2007 Waterford United vs Finn Harps (W)
2008 not held
2009 Bray Wanderers vs Sporting Fingal (W)
2010 Bray Wanderers (W) vs Monaghan United
2011 Galway United vs Monaghan United (W)
2012 Dundalk (W) vs Waterford United
2013 Bray Wanderers (W) vs Longford Town
2014 UCD vs Galway United (W)
2015 Limerick vs Finn Harps (W)
2016 Wexford Youths vs Drogheda United (W)
2017 not held
2018 Limerick vs Finn Harps (W)
2019 Finn Harps (W) vs Drogheda United
2020 Shelbourne vs Longford Town (W)
2021 Waterford vs UCD (W)
2022 UCD (W) vs Waterford
Waterford in play-offs are like Mayo in All-Ireland finals. If there was one to win it would be against their big Munster rivals.
Cork City in 2017.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neish
Not sure what issue would be caused by a team in both finals!
If a men’s team was in the Cup Final and the Play off he meant….Quote:
Originally Posted by Shearer
I was thinking of all the play off final defeats this week and had forgotten that bizarre one v Dundalk in 2006 when Dundalk won. The game didn't matter as Dundalk weren't allowed to be promoted leading to a fan with a can of petrol protesting at FAI headquarters.
Hopefully it can be 9th time lucky tonight. Cork are rightly favourites and have the advantage of playing Premier football all season and an extra day free since their last game but we travel in hope.
It was all a total farce!Quote:
Originally Posted by trevy
I think Neih meant what would happen if a team was in both the cup and play-off final if both held on the same day. Dundalk 2002 won the cup final and were 3rd bottom (3 sides were relegated that year) and another season could have been in both end of season games and if both scheduled for the same day itd be messy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shearer
Only realised after, my bad!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
What sort of a crowd is expected tonight in Tallaght? I would guess 4/5000 maybe? Looking forward to it. A Munster derby on TV with major significance attached to it. Cork have labored all season long and Waterford would have won the 1st Div any other year, only for a fairly outstanding season from Galway, and are a decent team in their own right.
Sure we weren't far off that scenario this year. If Cork had beaten Pats in the semi they’d be in both. I’d say the Playoff final probably would’ve been played on Wednesday this week in that scenario. Not ideal but would probably have been the only realistic option
Ticketmaster showing all Waterford tickets sold out, and tickets available in every block for Cork side. Will they open up the south stand to Waterford fans without tickets?Quote:
Originally Posted by CorribsideSteve
https://www.ticketmaster.ie/event/18...576B?did=water
Selling tickets for Waterford fans in the south stand there….
I'm not sure you can really use that to judge. Some of the Premier Division clubs have been in rag order when the playoff has come around, think Galway United in 2011, Waterford a couple of years ago sacking the well-liked manager days before the match and not having a manager in place, even that Shels team that lost to Longford was in disarray. The Division 1 team obviously has never been in that kind of situation because they're on the back of a good season.Quote:
Originally Posted by total hoofball
On the pitch, at least, Cork are well organised. I'd expect them to win tonight. Having the extra edge from playing good teams should stand to them. Although Waterford have got through the Division 1 playoffs in 2 games against Athlone and 1 against Cobh they've conceded in all of them and only won one of them in 90 minutes.
They may well win tonight (did so handily in the cup game between the two anyways), but that quote may well be the kindest thing anyone’s ever said about a team that conceded 64 goals in 36 games :DQuote:
Originally Posted by JC_GUFC
We have definitely looked better defensively since Holland took over after the Dundalk game. The exception being the Bohs game last Friday but we made wholesale changes for that game with tonight in mind.
My concern is we have struggled to score goals of late. Other than two away to UCD we haven't scored since a 2-1 loss away to Shels in September.
Part of that is we have had some challenging fixtures, Pats twice, Derry and Rovers chief among that but worrying all the same.
It also seems improbable that Waterford would lose another final. They are bound to get a lucky bounce or two sooner or later. They also come into this game with everything to play for. From their perspective this is a huge game over a rival team with a massive prize on offer.
For us there isn't as much to be excited about, the upside is relief at maintaining the status quo. It's a weird position to be in.
Sorry Trevy you have lost me about being 9th time lucky??Quote:
Originally Posted by trevy
Waterford have lost all eight of their previous play-off finals.
Wow didnt realise that at all. Hopefully they will break their jinx soon!Quote:
Originally Posted by culloty82
Bad miss by Coughlan there, should’ve scored
Waterford have been excellent but can’t put the ball in the net….
They'll only have themselves to blame if they don't win it from here - numerous chances, and looks like Keating will have to limp off at HT.
This is going to penos at this rate - awful
I think it’s been quite entertaining. Bad miss from Waterford there. Should have scored.Quote:
Originally Posted by DCSIL