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i think if Dundalk lose to an ACTUAL pub team it will top the list to be fair.
All joking aside these are good draws for all of the Irish teams, with a bit of luck we could have all 4 through and building uo the points from consistant winning snowballs into success....in terms of seedings
What LOI clubs in Europe have not had some horror show results? UCD?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
I could swear Crusaders scraped through against them last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Let’s face it, no LOI club is in a position to slag off another about results in Europe. Pretty much every LOI team has been on the end of a drubbing in Europe at some stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by ger121
And if they haven’t it’s because they aren’t good enough to get into Europe regularly and play quality opposition.
All philosophing aside not all drubbings are equal!! Some have a lot more entertainmnt value that others...like a Rovers side struggling against an Albanian team that were trying to throw the tie!Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophizer
Yup. Which is exactly why every LoI club is in a position to slag each other off about results in Europe :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Philosophizer
The 4-0 loss to a computer repair shop still stands alone obviously.
In recent years we’ve had a few big wins too, which hopefully continues. Maybe not drubbings, but many have had comprehensive victories in Europe in recent years. Sligo totally dismantled Motherwell, which was utterly hilarious, even if they were comprehensively beaten in the next round. Pats performances and results last year were very commendable. Rovers were convincing when they dispatched Hibs and Shkupi last year, most unlike a LOI team to be so steady and not too many crazy moments. Bohs had big wins at the Aviva in recent years. Dundalk set the bar in 2016 and followed it up in 2020. Lots of positive progress in the past 7/8 years.
In fairness it was played on a concrete plastic hybrid surfaceQuote:
Originally Posted by ontheotherhand
From a Rovers perspective, I think our most embarrassing European result was losing 7 nil to Gornik Zabze, although my personal euro hell moment was us losing to the giants of Lithuanian football Ekranas, with one S Kenny failing to convince in the Rovers dugout - whatever became of that joker I wonder.
Could I just point out that Galway United have a 100% record in Europe - having faced one Dutch and two Danish clubs.
Overall they were great draws for the Irish clubs particularly for Derry as an unseeded side.
Pat's were unseeded and although the Luxemburgers were the top ranked seeded side in the whole first round there definitely look like there would have been tougher draws for them. [edit] I've just realised because of this Pat's are seeded for the 2nd round draw if they qualify. Dundalk also will be on the back of their own coefficient[/edit]
I'd be disappointed if any fewer than 3 sides progressed and 4 is a real possibility.
Rovers, if they get through, will play Copenhagen, or your old pals Molde and Ferencváros (or KI)
Dudelange is a tricky but winnable tie. The fact that the winner gets seeded is only beneficial if we avoid Luzern in the next round. It was handy enough to sort out for the fans to get to Luxemburg so there should be a decent turnout.
Copenhagen for Rovers in the next round if they win…..
Copenhagen won't be easy, drew at home with man city, dortmund and sevilla last year , did lose all 3 away but you'd have to say if we win first round that's as good a guarantee of round 3 europa league as you are going to get
Copenhagen the worst of the three Rovers could have drawn. Focus as you say has to be on the First Qualifying Round and hoping for a good draw in Europa/Conference League quals.
I would hope that if Rovers do make the group stages they'll make a bit more of an impression - it was a tough group Rovers got and understandable that focus had to be on winning the league again but by the end if became fairly embarrassing.
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Originally Posted by JC_GUFC
Cant disagree but unless we can pick up 6 points against Bohs and Derry this weekend the same thing could happen again.
If Bradley has to choose between the 4 in a row and winning a mid week European match there wont even be a decison to make.
We need to step up this weekend,
The defeated side in Rovers Champions League 1st Qualifying Round tie will play the defeated side in the tie between KÍ Klaksvik v Ferencváros in the Europa Conference League 2nd Qualifying Round.
Decent potential draws for all LOI sides in UECL Qualifying Round 2. The Derry one the most tricky but winnable.
Kups are top of their league so definitely a hard draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by ger121
Derry will play KUPS of Finland if they see off Torshavn - better than the possible alternatives of Gent or Midtjylland.
Pats will play either Glentoran or Mzira of Malta - great draw. Dundalk will fancy it too, against either Akyerui of Iceland or Connah's Quay.
Don't they go to the Europa League first?Quote:
Originally Posted by joey B
Crikey - that has to be the easiest set of draws we've ever gotten? And in the second round too?Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
Whoops,it’s the loser of the first qualifying round,I messed that up!Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Incredible draws! Is this a result of the extra qual games now with the intro of the conference league? Or did we just get extremely jammy draws?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Bit of both maybe?
Wow Dundalk and Pats would be strong favs to be in the 3rd round on that basis even Derry if they show up would have a strong chanc against KUPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
If Rovers can get through the first round in all likelyhood lose to Copenhagen we could have 4 IRish teams in the 3rd round of the Conference league.................Lots of ifs i know but its a very very kind draw.
Bit of both , Rovers could have been playing the Swedish Champions and Derry could have been playing Riga.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophizer
On the other hand Pats alternatives to their draw were probably easier then what thye got....... Faroes, North MAcidonia, Malta , Gibralter and Andorra.
First round of Conference is pretty low bar stuff, Champions league standard is a good bit highter on average with a few landmines thrown in.
A Rovers loss in CL R2 would put us in EL R3 not ECL - https://twitter.com/ryanmcdyer/statu...297024/photo/1Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
The seedings are weird. Pat's for example could have gotten in the second round -Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophizer
Luzern (Switzerland)
Celje (Slovenia)
Dukagjini (debutants from Kosovo) or Europa (GIB)
Penybont (debutants from Wales) or Santa Coloma (AND)
Glentoran/Gzira (which is who they did get)
Huge gap between the top two and the last three, so they certainly got lucky to an extent. And the extra qualifying round means there's weaker teams left in the second round, so it's a bit of both for sure.
The seedings favour teams who regularly qualify for Europe. Luzern and Celje have done next to nothing in Europe this decade (literally beat Dundalk and lost all their other games) for example
Just for completeness, Derry's round 2 pool options were Gent (BEL), Midtjylland (DEN), KuPS (FIN), Riga (LAT) or Vikingur (ISL), Linfield or Vllaznia (ALB)
And Dundalk had AGF (DEN), Hammarby (SWE), KA (ISL) or Connah's Quay Nomads (WAL), Vikingur (FAR) or Escaldes (AND), Haka (FIN) or Crusaders.
I've marked in bold who they did draw, so you can see the odds of three very winnable ties was actually quite low, but there was almost certain to be one very winnable one, and it was probably 50/50 there'd be two very winnable ones.
There's no need to go making stuff up in terms of slagging Rovers off for european results. As mentioned elsewhere, the 7-0 to Gornik was enough to embarrass anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
We beat the albanians home & away FTR.
I hope not to jinx it, but have we ever had a year with each team getting through two rounds? With these draws, it would be fantastic to see all Three Conference teams get to the 3rd round.
Worth remembering European Footall for Irish clubs is fairly radically changed with the Conference League. The Europa League is still here, so its baiscally diluting a lot of the possible opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Open draw too so could get a good one or god knows who. Worst case I think you’d be seeded in ECL PO but even that can be a minefield ala 2021.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
Maybe The Europa League is diluting a lot of the possible opponent, but the list of clubs entering ECL R3 is still frightening, almost no chance of making the play off, and all Irish teams will be unseeded at that point.
For R2 Dundalk at 8.5 were on the same side of the draw as Club Brugge / FC Twente / Rossenborg and Hibs (Scot), no chance against first 3 and not sure I`d fancy us either v Hibs.
Just shows how important the coefficient is, plus good chance to stack up some wins too this season, for all clubs given the draws, its the wins that matter, you get very little for a drawn game, points wise.
How I see the percentages for the first rounds.
Rovers v Prelim 70%
Derry v HB 75%
Dundalk v Bruno's 90%
Pat's v Dudelange 50%
Is it only Iceland and the Faroes who wouldn't be preseason?
Bohs got Dudelange while they were in preseason and they looked miles off. Now this will be two weeks earlier than that again. Pat's have a huge opportunity to go on a decent run.
Random pointless stat - there's six countries the LoI clubs have never played in. If Rovers end up with Budocnost, we'll be knocking three of them off in this campaign
A Luxembourg football account on twitter has been talking up our chances. According to him they have lost their manager and several players. The fitness for us could be the edge in an otherwise tight tie.Quote:
Originally Posted by yurt
Almost sure with Dundalk v Bruno's Magpies, its a first LOI v GIB also.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
My take on this in in bold .Quote:
Originally Posted by yurt
Calm down lads, I know we’ve done ok in recent years but some are getting a bit carried away.
I’d never have any LOI side as a 90% to win any European tie, no matter how lowly ranked the opponent may be. 70-75% absolute tops.
If history has taught us anything about Irish football, it’s the hope/expectation that kills you.
Nothing wrong with some quiet confidence but don’t go OTT.
Assume not, but even with draw, it's a big ask. I'd be disappointed not to get past Tórshavn, but KuPS is a different story. They're consistently in Europe, and have been in a playoff spot two of the past three years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa