Oh yeah that makes sense:rolleyes: . Dont support the rest of the players just because hes included ahead of JayoQuote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
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Oh yeah that makes sense:rolleyes: . Dont support the rest of the players just because hes included ahead of JayoQuote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
Don't support the rest of the players of a british obsessed team with little or no interest in supporting or developing the local game here whos players don't come onto the radar until they play for the worst team in premiership history and score all of one goal no matter what they do here or in europe, it makes sense to me anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by joema
Slash/ED It makes no sense to me either. Im of the same opinion as you - I think its a disgrace the likes of Weso (when he played here), Danny Murphy, Owen Hearey, Jason Byrne and Mick Devine... dont get a chance to play for Ireland and suddenly Murphy is now good enough because he scored one goal for Sunderland but unfortunatly thats the way it is and I'll still support MY country regardlessQuote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
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Originally Posted by FarBeag
Your wish has been granted, he got 16 minutes :D
Obviously Mick has been following this thread and values your opinion :D
They lost 2:0 btw so obviously he didn't score.
It's nice to have another possible option up front though,
Obviously you can't read too much into 1 goal, but he is 6'3, and 12'12"
a bit bigger than most of our other options I would imagine.
1 goal in 189 minutes for Sunderland, if he did that consistantly
he would be their top striker (and possibly top premiership striker!!).
Obviously you can't read anything into such sparce stats but I did like
the way he turned what looked like a nothing situation into a goal, (we
could do with that from time to time!!).
I'm not saying he should be in the squad, just another player to keep
an eye on, and at 6'3" it shouldn't be too hard to spot the big f***er ;)
I think it's pretty obvious our top 4 forward options are Keane, Doyle, Elliott & Morrisson. Putting Elliott's injury aside, only Morrisson is on a backward trend at club level. They can all hold the ball up well but none is particularly tall. Any squad should have at least the option of a tall striker in my opinion, and the only two that spring to mind are Lee & Murphy, and if Staunton is to build for the future Murphy's call up could be justified. It's nothing whatsoever to do with one goal in England making him better than any eL option.
I know there are others who'd advocate Jason Byrne ahead of him but are you comparing like with like? Of the tall forward options available from domestic football, Ward at Bohs looks more like an alternative to Lee or Murphy and I think he should be involved with the U21s if he's still eligible.
Trundle's obviously in with a shout but he's a different type of player altogether.
Jason Byrne is no midget, he'd certainly be taller than Keane or Doyle and has played up front on his own to great effect numerous times. He is also very, very good in the air, he could easily fill that roll for Ireland, you don't need to be Quinns size to do it nor do you need a striker who is tall just for the sake of him being tall.
indeed, but you need somebody better than jason byrne at international level!!! cant even believe his name is being mentionedQuote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
Murphy better start the next match,Kyle and Stead have been poor.Kyle wasted an opportunity in which he should have scored and Murphy set up Lawrance with a great cross which he wasted.
He has'nt been given a chance.Were not spoilt with strikers Byrne is big,strong,better than Robbie,Doyle and Morrison in the air and a GOALSCORER.Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
how many does he score with his head? Robbie is weak in the air, but that's due to his sizeQuote:
Originally Posted by jorge
to say he's better than those 3 is simply outrageous, even if he was, there is no way he is going to get into the squad at the moment as he is out of season and not fit for a league game, let alone international
and you have seen him play how often?Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
he may not be as techically gifted as keane or doyle but he has consistently scored goals against all opposition he has been up against domestically and in europe for 4 odd years now.
and a cocky ***** as well.
livehead, your condascending attitude and ignorance of irish football has shone on many occasions, so name me 1 other eligible player who has scored more european goals?
That would be you this time last year in the same thread, have no doubt about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
Ad for your need better than Byrne remarks, all I'll say is, thank the good lord we've been blessed with international class strikers like doherty, macken and murphy instead.
And Byrne is definitely better than those three players in the air, no question about it whatsoever. Doesn't make him a better player, he's obviously not better than Keane it goes without saying, but he's better in the air and gets a fair few headed goals every season.
Put simply, this time last year, in the same league, Jason Byrne was a better striker than the man everyone seems to think will be our next first choice striker (And a month ago turned down an offer 4 times the one for that striker to goto the Swedish champions), and you're writeing him off? Sheer stupidity especially given our options, if he isn't given a proper chance over 2006 Staunton is a very short sighted man who will find he's very very short of options up front if hit by a few injuries and goes throwing on the likes of Doherty again.
Jason Byrne would be in list of international forwards but not in top 4 or 5. Maybe 6-7th.
better than Robbie,Doyle and Morrison in the airQuote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
i could only find his thread in waterford so posted new one here in honour of his great goal yesterday
a great bit of individual skill to flick the ball over two defenders, control on chest and volley home with aplomb. though this magical post on a sunderland board contextualizes it a bit; 'Putting the ball over their heads and sending them flying in the wrong direction is a bit like pretending to throw a stick for the dog then keeping hold of it' - in reference to gary breen and his partner! keane said afterwards murphy has great talent. he seems fond of his stepovers alright from what i've seen. isnt much between keogh and him
Is there a link for it?
and to think we sold him for 100 grand just to pay off our ex chairman (gerry o brien)
what a rip off:eek:
Murphy gets better and better evertime I see him play. Looks like hes not bothered sometimes but this guy has real class. Scores his fair share of goals. And has excellent tecnique. Rarely wastes the ball and was the best player on the park for Sunderland yesterday in a crucial game for them. I was wondering why both Quinn and Keane rate him so highly. Had seen him play last year and thought he was too slow and prone to giving the ball away cheaply. But he just keeps on improving. Great to see. This current Irish squad with Colin Doyle coming through just keeps getting better and better.
Yeah you could see it when he was with Waterford too, just nobody watched....
Will be interesting to see how he does in the Premiership.
He was good but not great at Waterford. Was certainly not in the team of the season but probably largely because of who he played with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philly
from what ive seen of him with sunderland he hasnt got that much better, people are just taking notice now
great to see him doing well, allbiet with sunderland
He never really stood out to me when he was with Waterford either, but maybe I didn't see the best of him. I was surprised when he moved to Sunderland but he seems to be doing OK there now.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Had a very good game on friday but thats the problem with murph hes far too inconsistent and looks quite lazy at times .. Really hope he comes good though cause on his day like he was on friday he is a real handfull
Andy Keeee-oh is looking the part too. This US trip ould be interesting for some of these guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
Also, worth noting that Stephen Kelly has been playing left bcak for the last month or so (or at least that's where his name appears in the team line-ups).
[stan logic]Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Great, Kelly can back up Finnan at left back!
[/stan logic]
Was just wondering what every ones opinions of him? I dont rate him at all what does he offer the team. He's meant to hold the ball up but i have never seen him do it he has no pace and very rearly scores so why is he in the Ireland squad. I would love to know what goes through stans head when he is picking squads.
I think he's alright.. But he's had a slow start to the season. He has some nice touches and idea's but can seem a bit soft for somone his size..
He plays like someone a bit younger than he actually is, if you know what I mean.
Average
i think he has all the attributes to be a good striker, given his height and physical stature. Although he's no olympic sprinter, he's not a snail either, he's got decent pace.
Also, his relatively poor goalscoring record at Sunderland can be explained by the fact he played most of his football there from the left wing (which also shows he has decent pace, wouldnt have survived on the wing without it!)
Although it is clear that he hasnt hit the ground running in the premiership, I'd be reluctant to write him off just yet. I think he may come good in the end. From my experience of watching Sunderland over the past year or so, he appears a better bet than Stokes anyway.
I think Stan's decision is based on the following line of thinking, He wants a physical, "bigman" striker in the squad, and he reckons that Alan Lee will never be quite good enough for international football. I reckon he feels that Murphy is in and around the same level as Lee at this moment in time, but has greater potential to develop into a better player in the future, and thats why he includes him in the squad. (Also he was really good on the US tour)
He looked good last year the few times I saw him. But this season he has looked off the pace and lightweight. Would have prefered to have seen Keogh brought on against the Slovaks. He puts himself about and wins an incredible amount of ball in the air.
Indeed. Keogh has enormous potential.
Stokes has looked much better this season than Murphy for Sunderland.Quote:
Originally Posted by ofjames
Stokes the ref in the eircom league or Anthony Stokes. Have u been watching Anthony this season or have u been watchin tapes of him last seson up at Falkirk because Stokes is crap really really crap. He should go back up to Scotland where he can score goals, hes only scored twice for Sunderland. I don't think he'll last at Sunderland, he seems to have an ego problem.
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Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
Lads, you have to qualify these statements with the important caveat: "never before played in the premiership"!Quote:
Originally Posted by rambler14
Murphy looked a really good player in the Championship as well, and if he were still in the Championship, he would still stand out as a quality performer at that level. The fact is the Premiership is an enormous step up, no guarantees Keogh would adjust to the Premier any better or quicker than Murph has this season.
Stokes was OK when he came on against Liverpool. All his other appearances this season have been dreadful affairs. Murphy has a far better attitute.
Good point. But I feel that Keogh would have done a better job on Saturday because of his style of play.Quote:
Originally Posted by ofjames
I've watched every Sunderland match except Luton this season. Stokes looks far better than Murphy. Go ask them on the SMB over at readytogo.net All but a few tards who have it in for Stokes will tell you he's looked far better than Murphy.Quote:
Originally Posted by rambler14
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Originally Posted by Kivlehan
An overstatement to say the least. Aside from a couple of nice things during the Liverpool match he's been a disapointment this season and in preseason.. He has been played out of position admittedly, but he has not been much better than Murphy.
Based on what? He has 0 league goals this season :confused:. I'm all for Keogh, but he hasn't dont it this year just the same as MurphyQuote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
Andy Keogh King of the Assists was the title of a recent atricle on BBC's website.
Murphy has some good things going for him but I'm not convinved he'll go much further either. He needs to make a breakthrough still.
On the face of it having a lot of young Irish at one club is a good thing, but not if they're struggling and being played out of position. I personally wish Stokes had taken Celtic's offer. The 2 senior strikers, Venegoor of Hesselink and Zurawski, are sub-standard and sluggish in my opinion and Stokes would have displaced either of them. He'd have had game time against soft opposition to get his confidence up, games against physical teams that'd toughen him up, as well as games against superior opposition in Europe. Then, when he's a success he could have gone to the Premiership.
It's early days yet I suppose as the season has barely started. The early signs though are that Robbie & Doyle are a country mile ahead of the rest while Keogh has been the only of the others to do anything. Alan Lee has started the season quite well.