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Axed by Rooney for a “bad attitude”. Hard to know exactly what that means. From all accounts about Ebosele as a pro and a person, it’s hard to see that he’d be a negative force around the squad. Possibly distracted by his move to Udinese…?
https://m.independent.ie/sport/socce...-41568440.html
Seems to be a lot of players with bad attitudes around these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Yeah sounds like he's mentally checked out before his move in the summer and Rooney probably felt he wasn't getting 100% commitment. Has mostly been a sub lately with one start in his last six games. They've been starting another young lad Malcolm Ebiowei, whose started the last 8 games at RW ahead of Festy.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
as much as i love festy, what i heard from someone within the 21s camp wasn't great.
essentially in march, he came into camp, trained, and with the 21s playing 5 at the back and no wingers, he was told or it became apparent he wouldn't start - and he was of the opinion that he wouldn't play at all (he didn't make the match-day squad vs sweden in november). so he basically said if he wasn't gonna play, there was no point in him travelling. he had too much to sort with his pending move, people to see etc etc. but the coaching staff thought it was totally out of order for him to say that and act that way... it was officially put down as 'family reasons'
festy's a lovely kid and he's as much as you can tell from the outside, he's probably not really being handled properly by crawford but he's still very much a teenager
Wayne Rooney contrasting Ebosele's attitude/commitment unfavourably with that of Luke Plange: Wayne Rooney stance on Festy Ebosele farewell ahead of transfer after Derby County axe - Derbyshire Live (derbytelegraph.co.uk)
At least he's not paying grannies for sex
Sick burn, you really put Rooney in his place there. Ebosele is 19 turning 20, if he even gets half way near the level that Rooney was at 19 he'll have a very good career.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Hopefully he's smart enough to listen to someone like Rooney who'd be the first to tell you he also had attitude problems, rather than sulking and maybe thinking "at least I didn't pay grannies for sex" like a kid on internet would thinking he's funny.
Rooney had a lot more going on throughout his whole career than just the granny thing. He was immensely talented and his career stats are great, but Im always left with the feeling that he should have done more if he had looked after himself. Rooney was never a great professional right up to the end of his career, seem to remember a story from one of his last England camps where he crashed a wedding out of his mind drunk.
I always compare Rooney to Ronaldo. Both at United at same time at a young age. Initially you would have said Rooney was better. It was Ronaldos sheer work rate that built the player he is today, whereas Rooney just relied on his talent and looked finished by his late 20s.
It seems like Festy has become a bit of a d1ck of late, but I do find it a bit rich that Rooney is criticizing anyone for attitude issues.
In fairness, that's his part of his job as manager. What Rooney did a dozen years ago or whenever it was shouldn't stop him doing his job. (If anything, it may mean he knows what he's talking about more)Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
What Rooney was doing was right up to when he retired, he never copped on and became a good pro
But should that stop him doing his job as manager?
No, but we are allowed to call him out for hypocrisy because of it. Two things can be true at the same time. Hes right to suggest that Festy maybe wasnt handling the move properly, but its also right that Rooney himself is full of it.
I do find it a bit harsh or unhelpful though. Irrelevant even. It's like a dig at Rooney for the sake of it. A bit of "I know you are, but what am I"?
Just my two cents anyway.
Why is it harsh or unhelpful to call out bullsh1t on the people that are supposed to be developing these young players.
Even that Granny couldn’t get Rooney to change his ways.
Is it bull**** though? People here seem to agree that Ebosele has developed a bit of an attitude problem lately. I don't know if it's true or not, but JR89, elatedscum and even you have agreed that he's not been entirely professional lately, and no-one has anything to say in his defence. If it's true, his manager is entirely right to call him out on that. I'd always be wary of going public with that sort of stuff, but maybe he's done it as a last resort; I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
I do know that saying "Yeah, well Rooney was a bit of a dick too" isn't calling anyone out. It's effectively attacking the poster, not the post.
Also, whatever about Rooney's off-field antics, I think he generally applied himself properly to his game, otherwise he wouldn't have become the player he was. If he sees Ebosele getting carried away with himself or whatever the issue is, then again, I think he's right to call that out and the fact Rooney paid grannies for sex isn't really relevant.
Jesus Christ lads, it was just a trivial joke not a RFP for a dissertation on the relative character traits of the two players.
For what it's worth, I did think your post was nicely wry!
Didn’t Rooney smoke 20 a day through his entire career?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Rooney is also the one who put Jason Knight out of action for a couple of months with a heavy tackle in training this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
I have no problem with him saying that Ebosele went off the rails a bit, but I think he is also full of crap.
"The way I work, if you are off it, you can’t play, you will not play whether we are fighting relegation, fighting for trophies, you won’t play.”
With that line you would think he was the ultimate pro as a player.
Did he?* Had a quick google and it seems he did smoke (and is in surprisingly good company - Cruyff, Socrates, Zidane, Ginola) but can't find anything to indicate (or disprove) that he was that regular a smoker.Quote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
* - that's a genuine question btw; not a sarky dismissal. Hard to differentiate in online text though!
That’s what ye get…. !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I’d say that Rooney would not be the first football manager to be a hypocrite ! !
that was certainly my understanding, details are a bit hazy now. i think it first emerged when he was on his honeymoon. shortly after, the dj for the wedding or honeymoon or something like that did an interview where he said that wayne was chain smoking throughout.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
after that, there were occasional players leaking stuff about his regular smoking (especially when he was struggling) and he was photographed smoking really frequently. so, wouldn't swear by it, but i always just assumed it was true
... and Patsy FreyneQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I hadn't heard that one; it's possible, but I'd have thought he'd get all sorts of pressures and help to quit the way clubs work on players now. I think Rooney was ferociously competitive, but indisciplined. He pushed hard - maybe harder than anyone - but he wasn't smart about looking after himself. I think that's visible in how young he seemed to burn out. Anyway, I agree with Pineapple that it's not that much of a gotcha, other than that it may undermine his authority as manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
Always found it strange that pro footballers and doctors are two of the last groups of people you'd expect to be heavy smokers, but from my experience heavy smokers are reasonably common among both those professions.
And add the two together and you get Socrates, probably the worst of the lot.
Apparently when David Moyes removed sausage and chips from the MAN U canteen menu, Rooney kicked up an awful stinkQuote:
Originally Posted by John83
And just think about how smart he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Mention of Socrates and there was that famous story (maybe someone on here could verify it) about his studying at UCD and his turning up to play for the reserves one Saturday. He was told by the powers that be in the students' team that he would not get a game, and promptly left. Of course that was before he went on to star at the 1982 World Cup.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I think the Socrates UCD link has been proven to be a myth.
Yeah, we covered it in the UCD programme in the mid 00s. Someone got in touch (a former foot.ie poster actually - sadly passed away in the last couple of years) and Socrates said he'd never even been to Ireland. No idea where it originated.
Festy nearly cost me my Wordle record today.
Yep, ended up with four of the letters and had to remind myself that Festy isn't a word! Unfortunately for me, testy wasn't right either so a disappointing 5 today...
I tried it and it accepted it in line 5! Testy was my line 4. It left me with just one more guess.
Starts today so must have got his head down and impressed again in training. Good for him and good to see Rooney not holding a grudge and been professional about it
He left the beans on the menu then ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
(Sorry, I’ll get my coat !!)
Do you have a link to the stream?