How silly - only looked at Scottish internationals! doh...Quote:
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How silly - only looked at Scottish internationals! doh...Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
its your truthQuote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
evidently its the truth of any decent footballer or coach as well....how many good imports has the league had...e.g. a player who has played at the top level in a decent league or manager to have managed at the top level in a decent league....none and thats why its not good
:rolleyes: define a "decent" league then?
Inter WENT OUT of the champions league, despite Robbie Keanes best efforts where he won a to-be-missed penalty iirc, Shels WENT THROUGH against KR. It's completley different. Again, Milan scraped through on away goals the year they won the bloody thing against a team who a year later were playing Shamrock Rovers in the inter toto cup.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Right, Wolves 1-0 Manchester United, Manchester United 0-0 Exeter, get Keane out of the international side?Quote:
I'm not - I am merely picking the numerous occasions when Shels showed they weren't up to it. Shels have had some good results obviously, but there are too many poor ones, which is my point. If you want to discount this game, fine, but then Heary's performances against a pre-season Depor also can't be considered for the exact reason.
You're again ignoreing the fact that whatever about Shels in those games, Heary proved himself in every single one. He can't single handedly win games, he's a right back for christ sake.
So you lose in a final you have to be chokers and aren't upto it at international level? AC Milan, again, must be crap then due to throwing away a 3 goal lead to a side who finished below Everton. UPSETS HAPPEN IN FINALS. That's the bloody nature of cup finals, that's the whole point. Linfield knocked Glentoran out of the setanta cup yet finished below them in the league, who's better? You'd have to go with Glentoran.Quote:
So you're better than them, but any results which show otherwise are to be discounted? Was it the pressure got to your team? Doesn't say much for their ability to play international football. Did they choke on the big occasion? Ditto. Big international matches are one-off too.
No what's quite simple really is you've dodged the question. Knock out ties do not = league matches, that's quite simple really. Say we finish second and somehow draw the Faroes in a play off. You're offered a 2-2 away and 0-0 at home, you're going to say no? Incidentally if draws against substandard teams aren't good enough in international football half our side have proven themselves time and time again to not be upto it, lets not forget that only one Irish side has ever won in Macedonia and it ain't the international one.Quote:
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Let's put it this way - if we'd drawn 2-2 against the Faroes (or Cyprus) away and 0-0 at home, would we be in a position to qualify now? Draws against substandard teams aren't good enough in international football. Quite simple really.
1) There have been plenty in Hearys career. This is an argument about weather Heary is good enough or not, he has excelled himself in every single one. If we plays well and we lose it's hardly his fault is it? Heary btw did not play v Linfield.Quote:
1) There haven't been many games where Shels have tested themselves against decent teams, so I can only pick a few results. Those few results are a notable percentage of the games available to me.
2) I'm not saying it's impossible. I am saying I think it is the case though. Big difference. I'm calling for a bit of realism.
2) I disagree, if we can turn down someone who got MOTM against Deportivo and who has proven himself to be a quality player against Lille, Depor, Split, Ljubljana, Brøndby IF and Rosenborg then we're in a far FAR healthier position than I thought.
So managers always get it right? You couldn't argue when McCarthy was in charge that Duff up front was a load of nonsense because sure he's a manager so he knows more than you or I?Quote:
I see. So irrespective of what the manager who signed them thinks - who, let's face it, is more knowledgeable than you or I - or what the manager who picks the players for the international team - who, let's face it, is also more knowledgeable than you or I - you are just going to persevere in your own view that Heary is better than Maybury. Fair enough so.
He was sacked after the first leg, I think. Negates your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
I promised myself I wouldn't come back here, but have to negate some of your stupider points...
Keane didn't play v. Exeter! Wolves are very good team. Though I'm sure Shels would take them... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/Ed
Are you trying to compare Sloga Jugomagnat and the Macedonian international team? You might as well equate beating Shels and beating Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/Ed
Well, let's only get eL players in for play-off games then! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/Ed
League-format games make up 90% of cometitive international ties. Drawing them is no good to us.
By your own argument, the game against Depor counts for little as Depor were in pre-season and weren't fully fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/Ed
That's completley idiotic then, and it cost them.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Point is they finished last, it didn't mean Man U were on their level. I suppose Man U are chokers or whatever crap you were saying about Hearyless Shels loseing to Linfield?Quote:
Keane didn't play v. Exeter! Wolves are very good team. Though I'm sure Shels would take them... :rolleyes:
You've, once more, ignored the question.Quote:
Well, let's only get eL players in for play-off games then! :rolleyes:
League-format games make up 90% of cometitive international ties. Drawing them is no good to us.
You can't compare league format with knock out ties. Different ball game. That's idiotic. Knock out ties are about progressing no matter how.
Points you seem to have completley ignored there...
-Milan scraped through on away goals the year they won the bloody thing against a team who a year later were playing Shamrock Rovers in the inter toto cup.
-whatever about Shels in those games, Heary proved himself in every single one. He can't single handedly win games, he's a right back for christ sake.
-if draws against substandard teams aren't good enough in international football half our side have proven themselves time and time again to not be upto it, lets not forget that only one Irish side has ever won in Macedonia and it ain't the international one.
-If we can turn down someone who got MOTM against Deportivo and who has proven himself to be a quality player against Lille, Depor, Split, Ljubljana, Brøndby IF and Rosenborg then we're in a far FAR healthier position than I thought.
So are you saying that if Shels had been playing KR in a league game, they would have beaten them? Are you saying that Shels played for a 0-0 at home because they knew it would be enough? If so - given what had happened against Hibernians - they were idiots. I'm saying that they drew 2-2 and 0-0 because that's as good as they were. League game or knock-out tie, they went out to get the best possible result, and 2-2 and 0-0 was all they could manage. And in that case, they're not good enough to play international football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/Ed
What's the relevance of "playing" Rovers? I'd highlight the fact that they "destroyed" Rovers. It again doesn't matter because (a) Liberec are a good side and (b) I've repeatedly pointed out that your point about drawing twice with KR - which led to this particular diversion - is silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/Ed
You're not actually after repeating that stupid point after I've just pointed out how silly it is, are you?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/Ed
As I said - using your own argument about out of season - the Depor game doesn't count for much as they were in pre-season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/Ed
So we weren't good enough to beat KR but were to beat Split? Yes we played for a draw and I agree, it was stupid, but Fenlon is a negative manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
If they're not good enough to play international footbnall because they progressed past KR than I'll mention Macedonia for the 5th time, AC Milan for the 5th time and many others in the past.
what you're spectacularly failing to see is that Milan on on a different planet to Liberec, who were only in the inter toto the year after, playing Rovers has no relevence, the inter toto does. Yet, Milan couldn't 'beat' them in your farcial view of knock out football, they only got through on away goals. That proves they're only on Liberecs level does it? Yeah, sure it does.Quote:
What's the relevance of "playing" Rovers? I'd highlight the fact that they "destroyed" Rovers. It again doesn't matter because (a) Liberec are a good side and (b) I've repeatedly pointed out that your point about drawing twice with KR - which led to this particular diversion - is silly.
You said "Are you trying to compare Sloga Jugomagnat and the Macedonian international team? You might as well equate beating Shels and beating Ireland." Which I missed, did you edit that in later?Quote:
You're not actually after repeating that stupid point after I've just pointed out how silly it is, are you?!
Again, spectacularly failing to see the point being made here. Are Macedonia a good measuring stick for international class footballers? No. Ireland have lost and drawn away to them. Ergo, by retarded logic 101, none of the players, not one of them, who played in either game can be considered international class. Not that the team Shels played are the same as the Macedonian team, but that Macedonia are rubbish, and we lost and drew with them.
So you're saying Maybury could keep Luque in his pocket two games in a row if he played him a week before his season started? Yeah, sure he could.Quote:
As I said - using your own argument about out of season - the Depor game doesn't count for much as they were in pre-season.
Even if you discount the Deportivo game, which is stupid, you can't discount the rest.
Heary has proven himself time and time again.
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Originally Posted by Slash/Ed
So you're happy to play down the Portadown game, yet want to count the Depor and Hajduk games? Contradiction, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/Ed
Let's be quite honest here. One of the main reasons behind summer soccer is that it is a cheat when it comes to Europe - we're in season, most other nations are out of season. It's a huge advantage. I don't think you'd get by Hajduk when they're in season. You would be hammered by Depor. You did get hammered (on the pitch at least, though somehow not on the scoreboard) by Lille. KR were the only team you faced who were in season - i.e. who you didn't have that massive advantage over - and you culdn't beat them (I don't for a second believe that the team said "Hey, 0-0's good enough, so let's try for that"). But hey, good enough for the Irish international squad! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
I think you need to take off your Cork-tinted glasses here. Heary's a good player. Most of the Shels players are good players. But the fact is that they aren't good enough to be in the international squad. Even those who are former internationals (like Ndo and Moore) were a long way removed from international football when they came to Shels. That's how far removed the eL is from international football, unfortunately.
i was of the opinion this was a bit of a wind up.
seriously do you really think that heary is anyway near good enough for a call up?????
So was I. Unfortunately, my biggest weakness is ignoring idiots and wind-ups. I have to ensure people aren't taken in by their nonsense. You'd hate to see me talking to George Bush! :p
Hajduk Split were already well into their season when they played us. Deportivo weren't at their best when they played us but they're still a good team.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
You're spectacularly wrong. Lille, Split and KR had all started their season by the time we played them. Summer soccer isn't a cheat, it's an equaliser.Quote:
Let's be quite honest here. One of the main reasons behind summer soccer is that it is a cheat when it comes to Europe - we're in season, most other nations are out of season. It's a huge advantage. I don't think you'd get by Hajduk when they're in season. You would be hammered by Depor. You did get hammered (on the pitch at least, though somehow not on the scoreboard) by Lille. KR were the only team you faced who were in season - i.e. who you didn't have that massive advantage over - and you culdn't beat them (I don't for a second believe that the team said "Hey, 0-0's good enough, so let's try for that"). But hey, good enough for the Irish international squad! :rolleyes:
Ndos last cap was a year before joing Shels. Moore is not international class.Quote:
I think you need to take off your Cork-tinted glasses here. Heary's a good player. Most of the Shels players are good players. But the fact is that they aren't good enough to be in the international squad. Even those who are former internationals (like Ndo and Moore) were a long way removed from international football when they came to Shels. That's how far removed the eL is from international football, unfortunately.
Fact is, Heary has proved himself against better teams than Maybury has played and embarassed himself against. You can discount that if you want, it's the Irish teams loss when that clown goes out and embarasses himself like he has done on a few occasions playing for Ireland while Heary, who has played and excelled against a better standard of opposition than Ireland play against more often than not, sits at home.
I'm not saying he's world class, but he's better cover than the crap we've capped. If we had a squad of premiership class players to pick from it wouldn't be a debate, but we don't.
One game, in fact, according to rsssf.com.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
And I've allowed for that - Lille destroyed you, Hajduk were only just into their season - I'm slightly out there, but they still weren't fully match fit - and KR held you, indicating your quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/Ed
Ah come on now. How is it an equaliser? It equalises us against the bigger and better teams? That's a cheat. It's a cheat I'm happy to take, but the fact is that it means we've a better chance of getting better results. The better results are because of the time we're playing, not necessarily because the players are much better than previous seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/Ed
Was quite enjoying that................
How about this for a little tester.
We get 5 International Managers (perhaps one from each continent) preferably managers with lower level of knowledge of the domestic game in UK & Ireland (being where our players are based).
Someone neutral assembles the top 30 irish players in the UK + top 10 irish players in the EL.
Two weeks of trials, then the 5 managers above have to assemble their best 16 man squad for competing in a WCQ.
Would there be any EL players selected in the 16? How many of our current players are picked because of the high profile of the league they play in or is it totally on ability factor.
what do you reckon?
LOI is an absolute joke, it's full of plumbers and janitors. The Premiership is arguably the best (certainly top three) league in the world. No comparison. The fourth place striker on the worst team in the Premiership is miles ahead of the best player in the LOI.
Ignoreing the original debate and moving on from the EL entirely, as it the thread was closed so that's the end of it, there's just NO WAY the premiership is even argubley the best league in the world imo
So how do you explain CSKA Moscow qualifying for the CL last season? Did Rangers blame their defeat on the fact that Moscow play in the Summer? How do you explain how they later went on to win the UEFA Cup, having overcome the disadvatage that all teams who play Summer football face, -playing and beating teams in February, and March when they hadn't played for several months, against teams in mid-season?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
You're focussing too much on specific results. You have to look at the overall situation. Yes, summer football evens out any disadvatages that Irish teams face in the early rounds in Europe. By taking advantage of it, our clubs play better teams from other countries more often, the clubs' players benefit individually while gaining more exposure at the same time, and the league's co-efficient rises. They only won once in Europe last season, but Shels ultimately progressed to the 3rd qualifying round of last year's CL. As a result, Shels are seeded for the 1st round CL qualifiers this year. If they do as well as they did last year, or qualify for the group stages, (possible if they get a decent draw, and hit form) then perhaps our CL participants next year, will go straight to the 2nd qualifying round. Improving European results is, to a certain extent, what summer football is designed to do. If that happens consistently, Summer football will have worked.
With respect, you would expect Crewe and Coventry to blow away a bunch of students at any given time. UCD are one of the poorest sides in the NL Premier Division, who are regularly relegated from the top flight. If said sides played better teams like Derry, Cork, Longford, Shels, Bohs, or Pats, at this time of the year particularly, they would lose more than they would win. Recently, Spurs played Bohs when Bohs were in pre-season and couldn't beat them, so what hope for Coventry and Crewe? For every Derby, and West Ham in the Championship, there's a Crewe, a Gillingham, a Plymouth, and a Burnley. It's full of joke teams, crap players, and poor football. How playing in that league against such poor opposition, entitles someone to play for Ireland against a side like France or Italy, baffles me.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Every striker goes through a bad patch. Some more than others, one example being D. Connolly, - it happens when he plays for Ireland. Yet Kerr picks him when we're stuck for strikers, because of the "nobody else" whinge. The truth is that we have alternative strikers available for selection, all he has to do is go and look for them. Something he simply refuses to do.Quote:
(re: J. Byrne)I'm not basing my impression on the Poland game. I'm basing my impression on eight opportunities against European opposition in which he didn't score, missed a number of sitters and was generally - not just by me - thought to have been poor.
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Originally Posted by mypost
how long is it since you've seen them play ?,
they have improved a lot and are a thorn in everybodys side and on the day can beat any of the teams in the e/l prem . i presume "a bunch of students is :rolleyes: " as they are far from it.
promote your own teams :)
It would have been funny if you had have said Aberdeen, as an international called Zero played for them...Quote:
But how many internationals do Dunfermline have in their first team? Zero.
In fairness, the Premier League is one of the fastest leagues in the world and Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool would be in the top bracket of clubs in the world (well not Liverpool but I had to include them for obvious reasons). It's definitely in the top 5 of leagues.
A league which contains a team (or teams) who have reached either the group stages of the Champions League or the latter stages of the UEFA Cup (say within the last 5-10 years). This would give you :-Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
- Serie A
- Spanish Liga
- German Bundesliga
- English Premier League
- French League
- Greek League
- Dutch League
- Turkish League
- Scottish League
- Portuguese League
- Belgian League (Anderlecht, Clubb Brugge etc have been in the CL groups a few times)
- Ukrainian League (Dynamo Kyiv and Shakhtar Donestsk as above)
- Czech League (Prague as above)
- Russian League (Lokomotiv, Spartak, CSKA Moscow in CL, latter also won UEFA Cup)
- Norwegian League (Rosenborg)
- Serbian League (Partizan were in the CL groups 2 years ago)
- Croatian League (Dinamo/Croatia Zagreb were in the CL groups a few years ago)
- Swedish League (AIK Solna were in the Champions League groups about 5-6 years ago IIRC)
- Danish League (Bronby as above)
- Finnish League (HJ Helsinki - as above)
- Swiss League (Basle in CL groups 2-3 years ago)
- Israeli League (Maccabi Tel Aviv and Haifia were in the CL recently)
I think Maribor (of Slovenia) might have been in the group stages but not sure when
If you take this years UEFA Cup into account youve also got Romanian and Austrian Teams getting to the latter stages of that competition. Also Steaua Bucharest and Sturm Graz have both been in the CL Groups but I think in both cases it may have been more than 10 years ago.
The EL is improving, but it badly needs to have a representative in the Champions League groups (or even in the new UEFA Cup groups) if it is to be viewed well in terms of other leagues in Europe. Hopefully this will happen sooner rather than later.
What the eL needs is for all 3 teams to contribute to the coefficient ranking points as for all shels performances bohs & longford under achieved last year. With probably all 3 eL sides seeded in their qualifying rounds this year minimum expectation would be for all 3 to make it to 2nd qualifying round. The eL is too far way from moving to 2nd qualifying rounds automatically.Quote:
Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo
Obviously a well thought out and balanced view from an Eircom League regular!! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by vega007
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Originally Posted by vega007
without a doubt the poorest attempt to troll i've seen for a long time.
not even funny....................... :(
I'm not trying to troll. It's my honest opinion. Honestly, name me one player in the EL who would start for ANY team in ANY position in the Premiership.
mypost now added to "idiots" list... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
UCD are currently seventh in the Premier - nearly top half, in other words. Only half the team are currently students. We have been relegated once in the last 15 years when Doolin screwed us over, and were fourth in the league as recently as 1999/2000. If this sort of ignorance is what you're basing your argument on, I think we can very safely throw it out the window.
If UCD are the wonderful team you perceive them to be, why do most neutrals not want them in the Premier Division? Because they contribute nothing to the league in terms of football, fans, atmosphere, or ambition. Like it or not, the likes of Shels, Cork, Pats, and Bohs don't want them around.
The apparant world-beaters that are UCD, lost their first 7 games of the season when they were last in the top flight. I went to one of those games as a neutral when they played Cork at home. Cork had barely won an away game for a year, yet comprehensively thrashed them 3-0 on their own pitch. They were duly relegated.
Their game plan, particularly away from home, is to put 10 men behind the ball, hoof the ball aimlessly up the park, batter the opposition black-and-blue for 90 minutes, and hope to sneak a point. Occasionally it works, like at Shels and Cork, other times it's a disaster like what happened at Finn Harps and at Pats this season. It never changes, period! Watching them play is a painful experience. All they do is reinforce the negative impression that neutrals have of the league.
If UCD are the galacticos of the NL that their fans perceive them to be, maybe we should have a thread entitled "will a UCD player ever play for Ireland?" Unfortunately, that would be a very short thread! :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by vega007
Fool. I'd struggle to name any Championship player worthy of that, no matter eL. Since when have we been comparing the eL to the Premiershít anyway? No eL fan would claim they are of a similar standard, it's just not realistic.
I take it that you have never seen an eL match, if not never, then certainly not in the past 3 years. At Cork City, the majority of the team are professionals, not as you so eloquently put it 'janitors and plumbers'. Shels are a class outfit too, and would certainly give jokers like Crystal Palace,etc. a run for their money.
BTW, I'd rate Jason Byrne higher than Kevin Lisbie, who I'd guess is Charlton's 4th choice striker.
Sadly he died in a car accident a few months ago. Hicham Zerouli was his name I think. A Moroccan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sliogán Dóite
They qualified in the 99/00 season beating Lyon 3-0 on agg in the 3rd round qualifiers. They picked up four points in the group stages with an away win against Dynamo Kiev and an away draw to Leverkusen. The SNL is a poor league though which is declining. Maribor are now crap and in finanacial trouble and the other big club Olimpija Ljubljana are dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo
Because you don't like it when our little club often takes your respective scalps.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
True we had a bad start that season but Stu or someone would know better, under Pete Mahon in the last 3rd of the season were we not one of the form teams?Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Rubbish. We don't even have the type of players suffieicent to play Route 1, our strikers are small or medium sized. We're one of the better football teams. We keep the ball on the deck.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
I could bat about names like Quigley, Tony McDonnell etc., what does that prove? Rovers hardly have a litany of potential ROI internationals amongst their ranks either.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
UCD will always pay their players on time, offer good facilities, never cause any hooligan problems, continually produce a conveyor belt of future players for other eL teams and more often than not compete well in the Premier Division. I'd worry more about your own club without a home, poor track record of paying players, rooted to the bottom of the table and hardly playing sexy football themselves.
When did I say that we were a wonderful team? I merely refuted your point that we were one of the worst in the Premier and were always gteting relegated. The rest of your argument is some pointless anti-UCD rant which has nothing to do with the thread. I'm not arguing for a call-up for any of our players. I'm merely pointing out that (a) we aren't anywhere near as bad as you make us out to be and that (b) your conclusions which rely on that theory are stupid. I didn't think a more idiotic post than your previous one was possible, but hey, credit where it's due - you've proven me wrong... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
I assume you're basing such views on having been at the games, of course? No? Didn't think so. Just making things up to suit yourself then.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Yep, we had 12 points in 20 games under Doolin (seem to remember Rovers taking 11 games to register a win during the mid-90s...completely different, of course), but in the last 16 games - nearly half the season - we were fourth on form with the best defence in the country by a good bit and an average goal scored total. In our last game, we played the Cup winners completely off the park. Presumably, of course, by putting ten men behind the ball... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
The Premiership is the richest league in the world, each team fielding several internationals, some teams are basically are International Selects - why be so perverse as to pick that league as it is better than 99% of leagues in the world?Quote:
Originally Posted by vega007
Several eL players have gone straight into Scottish Premier teams - Byrne, Dempsey & Hunt. I'm sure that many eL players would fit into many Eurpeans league teams.
So what?? What do you want? A street parade? Or perhaps a parade around the Belfield campus, in your case. Winning the U21 league is about as important to NL football, as who finished 8th in the 1st Division two seasons ago!! Nobody gives a toss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shooter McGavin
The ex quote sums it up. They wanted to move to a club whose ambitions matched theirs.Quote:
No ambition for the future obviously there? Contribute nothing? How many ex UCD players are amongst the top in the league? Quite a few.
West Ham released him soon afterwards. Good enough for amateur UCD, out of his depth for a poor professional club in England. :(Quote:
Clive Delaney left UCD for West Ham a couple of years back.
Congratulations!! Any team can score a winner, when there's no time left to equalise. :rolleyes:Quote:
Like in Drogheda on Friday!!??
I think you'll find that Bohs and Shels players HAVE actually played for Ireland.Quote:
And we can start one with what Pats Rovers Bohs etc etc player will ever play for Ireland. That would b real long also.
In fairness to UCD fans, you're not alone. I give Home Farm the same treatment. And I'm not the only NL fan who feels that way about those clubs. In that case, (to quote p stu), there must be a lot of "idiots". Sorry that the thread has gone on a bit of a detour, but it was inevitable when a certain poster here declared that crap English teams blew away his side, the only NL side they could.
You claim we offer nothing to the league. We're a proper structured club who are bringing players through into this league and developing them and plan for the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
We have our limitations but how many clubs don't? The point is we are developing quality players for this league. We don't just squander and blow everything in the present. We have a proper organised club structure (except under Doolan). You claim we offer nothing to the league. We offer a stable club which pays its players, competes and develops talent for the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Good enough to be noticed by an EPL club. Good enough for high flying Derry City and good enough to play in one of the league's strongest defences when at UCD.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Well you want to pretend we're an unadventurous catenaccio side, yet you slag us when we go and win a game from behind away. Can't have it every way.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
I think you'll find none of them will be winning another cap again. The point was no club has a great chance of having an international while at their club not just UCD.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Well yes there are a lot of idiots who don't recognise our crowds even without away fans are bigger than a third of the league, we don't play catenaccio and we offer the league plenty and we compete well. We haven't been beaten by more than one goal this season. We're here to stay for a long time. Get used to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Now that, through the unerring erudition and cogency of argument presented by Students Poor, Pineapple and co., we have seen asserted the fundamental and inalienable right of UCD FC to exist and indeed prosper in the top flight of Irish club football, do you think you could either take it elsewhere or just DROP IT AND MOVE ON?!? :p
Let's move somewhere back towards the thread topic. Thanks lads. :D
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Unless you want pistols at dawn, Shooter, drop it now please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shooter McGavin
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ive closed this before i'm closing it again both arguments have been done to death.