Player contracts could get tricky!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunny Kelly
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Player contracts could get tricky!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunny Kelly
Daniel Mc Donnell reporting that €3.6 million offered by FAI to clubs to start the season. Seems to be weighted towards clubs on the basis of turnover. Also reporting that prize money for winning the league has almost doubled!
Would have thought that available funds would be used to keep clubs alive rather than an additional reward for clubs who will be in receipt of europa leave/conference funding.
Also reporting limited chances of Watch LOI operating for the whole season!
€600,000 reported as league prize money. Affiliation fees and referee costs waived for the year.
Prize money is going to be a bone of contention too. €22,000 for finishing bottom of the Premier suggests it's not being weighted properly.
Flat fee of €215,000 per Premier Division club and €50,000 First Division, plus add ons based on applications.
It's not great, and won't be enough if we've to go through a season behind closed doors again.
Prize money doesnt need to added to the winners as they get plenty from Europe, it need to go down table. Silly mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
WatchLOI was fantastic for us watching abroad. I really hope they continue it. No need for commentary, or at least bringing commentators from RTE... give an option to sync with local stations or none at all. Maybe that would save money.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa
Id say most of the clubs will offer streaming service after the learnings from last year.
I presume the money the clubs get on the wages support scheme is on top of that.
The scheme should be open until crowds are allowed back/ economy opens up
Hopefully clubs will offer streaming if Watch LOI not available otherwise can’t see season ticket holders waiving their right to a refund as almost all did last seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Premier
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10. €22k
First
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10. €10k
Can anyone fill in the blanks for prizemoney?
Is there anything to be said for just scrapping the prize money and just distributing the money equally?
Football clubs want to win football matches, there shouldn't be a need for money on top of that. And besides, the best clubs are going to be rewarded with euro cash anyway.
Are there any leagues that do this already?
Took a random stab based on the 2016 figures, which had a total prize money of €475,500Quote:
Originally Posted by Bucket
2016 Premier:
1 – €110,000
2 – €55,000
3 – €35,000
4 – €25,000
5 – €21,000
6 – €19,500
7 – €18,500
8 – €18,000
9 – €18,000
10 – €17,500
11 – €17,000
12 – €17,000
2016 First:
1 – €30,000
2 – €17,500
3 – €12,000
4 – €10,500
5 – €9,500
6 – €8,500
7 – €8,000
8 – €8,000
Based on the above..a rough calculated guess at €600,000 distribution, and the reports of Premier bottom team getting €22k and First bottom team €10k
Premier:
1 - €125,000
2 - €60,000
3 - €40,000
4 - €32,500
5 - €30,000
6 - €28,000
7 - €25,500
8 - €25,000
9 - €24,000
10 - €22,000
First:
1 - €40,000
2 - €25,000
3 - €22,500
4 - €20,500
5 - €18,500
6 - €15,500
7 - €13,500
8 - €12,500
9 - €10,500
10 - €10,000
I wish the off-season would feck off..
That looks likely alright. It's not a bad increase when you factor in not having to pay affiliation and referee fees.
GUFCghost I think the higher up you finish, the more you deserve but the differences shouldn't be as big. Maybe take €35k off the 1st prize and give bottom seven clubs €5k extra each. LOI clubs should be looking to make more money in the new Europa Conference
I wouldnt know the exact figure but its supposed to be a good deal Redbull.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redbull
If there's 600,000 euro in the pot, splitting it twenty ways leaves us with 30,000 euro each. I still maintain this country has the potential for a far more lucrative league where it not for chronic mismanagement, and maybe then the money would be more worth equally splitting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bucket
Most leagues in Europe are dominated by 1 to 3 clubs, we should be trying to avoid that but the horse may have already bolted
I dunno if it's being discussed on another thread (please move if that's the case), but there's talk that the watchloi won't be continued for next season, as its not "financially viable".
What the f***!?!?
Am I correct in thinking that most LOI clubs subsidised/fully paid for their clubs members/ST holders for the service last year? Is the same principle not applicable for next season as well then. I know RTÉ are in a hole financially, especially having to pay over the odds for deadbeats like tubridy & duffy, but surely even they can see the merit of making an effort to broadcast the elite men's game on this island.
If not, it needs a whole lotta maxis turning up in donnybrook with the petrol cans.
I'm not surprised to hear that Watch LOI wasn't viable to be honest. It was a fiver to watch a game as a one-off, and €50-60 to watch them all. So you're probably looking at an average income of somewhere in the region of 2-3 Euro per head per match. A good crowd to watch an LOI game online would probably be a thousand or so (?), with the average probably lower than that. So when you factor in all the costs, the level of demand for the LOI is such that it was always going to be pretty marginal in financial terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
There's probably scope to keep a limited version of it gong with a) Higher subs, and b) Broadcasts limited to the more popular teams and fixtures (they'll have precise info on that from last year). No disrespect to the specific clubs mentioned here, but fixtures like Longford v Waterford are probably not going to cover their costs with the number of viewers attracted. We have to be realistic about the appeal of our product.
Clubs will probably do their own streaming and production values will be tailored for the expected revenues.
Facebook live stream for small clubs with limited revenue.
Decent stream with commentary where the likely buyers would fund the outlay.
Even big clubs (in Irish terms) would struggle to fund it.
Take Rovers with an average attendance in the last season of around 3500 ( i havent checked) id be surprised if that represents more than 2000 family units from what i observe at matches (not even counting mates who would buy together and watch together......i know ...covid etc).
1000 buyers would be a lot
Who paid for the Doppler Media productions of the games at the UCD Bowl at the end of last season? I wonder if they’d be cheaper? They’re miles ahead of WatchLOI in production quality
Longford's one last season was good on the whole. Some initial challenges but they were able to use Facebook Live as a back up and the quality was grand. I'd imagine the lads who were doing it would do it again if allowed to. The Doppler productions were excellent.
Hopefully Virgin Media take over from RTE. Everything RTE do looks terrible, very amateur-looking productions.
Yeah Im surprised VM wasnt never approached. If they dont get it I would like to see them host goals roundup on Monday nights like they did with Trevor Welch all these yrs ago. They always did a way better job than RTE imo but suppose its FAIs call?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bucket
Ah Trevor Welsh, Paul Osam and the Foo Fighters theme tune!
TG4 also used to show live matches, First Division games too.
No reason why the next contract couldn't give one station live matches and highlights for another channel.
But what are we looking for here, in terms of tv coverage (separate to WatchLOI)
1/ For either RTE / VM to offer to show games lives?
2/ For a deal for either, and for the first time have an actual contract in place that directly benefits the clubs?
I know option 1 prob most realistic, as clubs regardless of any previous deal with FAI/RTE effectively got zero for live games, the only benefit was promotion of the game / and existing ground sponsors to get more profile.
Lads if RTE/ Virgin etc saw a market for LOI they would snap it up in a flash, its just not there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinho II
Whether we like it or not LOI is way don't the list for most Irish sports fans. RTE, Virgin etc are not in the promoting LOI business they are in the profit making business
Harsh but fair.
Club streaming worked well for the FD last year in fairness. OK, the standard was a bit variable (but generally very watchable, all things considered) and it's more effort (and cost) to throw it back onto the clubs. The flip side is they have control and can charge themselves. Did clubs make anything off WatchLoI last year?
It's not ideal of course - nothing in covid is - but as a fall back, I think clubs taking over their own streaming is fine.
The only money the clubs "made" was in terms of season ticket holders not looking for refunds as they were able to be compensated with a watchloi pass.
Also to a certain extent keeping sponsors happy as they still got limited coverage.
I think id be happier with the clubs doing it themselves , i guarantee the clubs will get better deals locally than the FAI were able to and it will provide a possible source of revenue and allow fans to buy season tickets to support their teams.
The thing about each club doing it themselves is possibly 10 different sites/apps etc need, 20 if you want to watch both division games. Needing to setup accounts register etc to each one & probably different prices and video format systems required That what I liked most about Watch LOI on site for all 10 premier clubs same price for each clubQuote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
The FD games were generally streamed on YouTube with a link to a donate site for an optional donation. I think Longford's stream was the only one that required registration
Fair point but i think most of the hardcore will buy the home streams and then dip in and out of away matchesQuote:
Originally Posted by Neish
Premier:
Shams 5/6
Dundalk 23/10
Bohs 13/2
Pats 11/1
Sligo 18/1
33/1 and better bar those.
https://www.paddypower.com/football/...?tab=outrights
First:
Shels 5/4
Galway 5/2
Bray 8/1
Cork & UCD 9/1
Athlone 16/1
33/1 and better bar those.
https://www.paddypower.com/football/irish-division-1
Leading Goalscorer Prem div: -
Hoban 5/1
McMillan 17/2
Greene,Parkhouse,Burke 11/1
Gaffney,Coughlan,Kelly 12/1
OTHERS - https://www.paddypower.com/football/...?tab=outrights
Lump on the students in Division 1 anyway. They have a knack of finding their way ouuta that division.
Think Kelly at boez would be an outside bet for top goalscorer.
Ian Morris to be the first manager sacked seems a decent bet, although super mario may beat him to it, if dundalks United Nations team doesn't start well.
If Kelly is top scorer, Bohs will win the league, both outcomes unlikely, but slightly more likely than last season.Rovers being odds on with their two best players gone probably reflects PP not being arsed to look too closely at squads before setting odds. Sligo by far the best outside bet for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
Agree that a toss up between Super Mario and Ian Morris for the earliest sacking. Both Bray and UCD know how to win promotion, so between them for the title, with both going up.
I think given we took one point off the entire top half of the league last season, and have lost both our captain and our top scorer since then, it's premature to look at us going up. If Galway are still going fully-pro, they should have a big advantage over others.
I do like being the same odds as Cork for the title though!
UCD always come up with new young players to replace those that have moved on. I don't know if they'll win the league, Shels should, but I expect they'll be in the mix.
Yeah, we should be top half; the new recruits look good and only losing two players is quite good for us.
But much and all as we improved as the season went on last year, one point from the games against the top half is a long way off title form. And we conceded way too many too.
Shels should be up there too, albeit that they underachieved last year and could easily do so again this year. I'd expect us to be behind certainly one of Galway/Shels, and probably both.
Edit - actually, we got two points off the top half, not one. Huzzah! Also dropped two points against the bottom half.
I agree with this, they dont bother looking in any depth. simply put a low limit on how much you can bet solves the problem for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
Strange that have PP have Cabinteely, Cobh & Wexford behind Treaty in the betting, Treaty don't even have a team yet and I've no idea what kind of team they'll slap together in a few weeks
I suppose if all are basically operating on an amateur basis there's room to not be an automatic wooden spoon. They'll (we'll? Feels weird saying that) be doing well to get anywhere near mid-table really.
How would you price it up out of curiosity? I'm not massively confident that Rovers will win it or anything, but looking at the state of play I think that pricing looks pretty reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
Byrne and McEneff are big losses, and Mandroui and McCann could go either way (although both have the potential to be good signings.) But outside of that Rovers have basically retained the squad and added Gannon and Hoare.
A lot of turnover at Bohs including losing their best player. Definitely some interesting signings with good potential but I don't see how you could really argue for them ahead of Rovers or Dundalk at this point. Very weak looking at centre half to me also.
Dundalk have also had big turnover including Rodgers, Hoare, Gannon, Massey, Flores, Oduwa and Colovic leaving. Seeing a lot of people saying 9 starters or something from the cup final are still there. That's fair enough, but they were played off the park in that game, and finished 22 points behind Rovers after 18 games. That's a lot of ground to make up. Their goalkeeper situation looks very suspect, and pretty much all the signings are major unknown quantities. Some of them will no doubt work out, but none of them are very obvious upgrades.
I understand there are so many unknowns that seeing Rovers odds on might be a bit jarring, and I certainly wouldn't be backing them at that price, but I can't really see the argument against it on paper.
Evens /2/1 would seem reasonable for Rovers with Byrne and Mc Eneff gone. Who knows with Mandriou , we saw the best and worst of him at Bohs, dont think he is a patch on the departed two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonny
Losing Danny Grant is certainly a blow to Bohs , but otherwise a very much a strengthened squad with Hery, Georgie Kelly, Feely, Tyreke, Coot, and particularly Mallon who Long seems to be raving about.
I think it will be Rovers again, but closer than last season and a scrap between Bohs Dundalk and Sligo for second place. Hopefully we will get to to see our respective teams in the flesh by early Autumn.
Pats look to be building a decent squad and look like winning the preseason again :) the goalie from Liverpool and the kid from west ham as well as a few others look like they could be competitive
I cant see past Byrne and McEneff they probably scored or assisted 50% of our goals last season between them, Gannon and Hoare are decent signings but we already had the best defence in the league.
Mandriou would need to be named PFA player of the season next year to replace Jack ....is that likely?? McCann at 33 better than the best box to box midfielder in the league last year ....hmmmm
Dundalk have lost one first choice player Gannon who didn't have a great season for them last year and a very average keeper.
Although after our goalkeeping nightmares before Manus came back DFC fans might look back on Rodgers fondly next season
I really really hope i'm over worrying about Byrne and McEneff but
6/4 each Rovers DFC
Very good piece in irish sun on treaty utd they only got confirmation at the last minute so they can only get cracking at short notice on their squad. What I found particularly interesting is that they have trouble getting the local limerick league any players they are interested in to sign a contract. They have paid employment.
Also with Dublin County reason they couldnt get Morton was cos Athletics ground was so booked out. If they had got in Aaron Callaghan would have being manager. A person I never rated as manager but a solid no 2 considering his poor spell with us as manager!