More rules than I realised!Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Having another 25 professionals on the books would be tough enough, but this Dublin-born restriction is a step too far!
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More rules than I realised!Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Having another 25 professionals on the books would be tough enough, but this Dublin-born restriction is a step too far!
Actually the national spread of where Dundalk players are from is less Dublincentric than at any time before. I'd imagine a 'B' team would be made up of young lads from all over the North East, Cavan/Monaghan, South Down/Armagh and players from Dublin possibly via the Malahide link up. In an ideal world a quota of senior team players should be able to move between the 2 sides without 'transfer' issues almost like a proper reserve team. It would help develop players and rehab injured lads - not likely or even possible but should be a consideration for a future League admin that wants the league as strong as possible. At face value other 1st Division clubs may see it as unfair but if they are playing against strong sides then they will improve also in a bigger picture way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
I was only joshing, and you're right of course. But I'd imagine it's a bugbear of Dundalk fans that there aren't more locals in the team. I don't mean that as a criticism of Dundalk - I know it's a footbal-mad town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
The whole local player thing was an excuse previously used not to go to games. Not such an issue when the club is successful. If there were local players good enough they'd be at the club. A lot of schoolboy clubs around Dundalk were very resistant to improving coaching as that would have involved breaking up some cliques. Dedicated and well intended people involved over the years but some self importance too that has undoubtedly held back development of local talent unless there was an exceptional talent that shone through regardless. Some clubs are better than others of course. There are also schoolboy clubs that have senior teams in the MDL for example and I think this has taken their focus off youth development in favour of running a senior team at whatever level.
What is different now is the number of players that live locally which seems to be a 'compromise' for those who whinged about players not being local.
Prior to the national league under-age development, the route for promising under-age players was to join one of the DDSL clubs like St Kevin's, or Belvedere where they would be playing at a higher level than in the local leagues. Presumably the new national league system means that exceptional talent find theses higher levels of coaching and competition at their League of Ireland club rather than in the DDSLQuote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
While there have been some exceptional players from Dundalk - like Tommy McConville, Barry Kehoe and Dessie Gorman - it's been a long time since any local player has emerged to be a first team regular in a successful Dundalk team. Maybe that will change with the new structures!
Thats very true, but flawed as a system as while player that showed promise (big lads for their age group basically) at a very young age moved to DDSL there were plenty of players that developed a bit later, often in to better players, but were 'past it' for a move to DDSL believe it or not. These players, if lucky, got their chance at a break with DSL at the Milk Cup. The new system will go a long way to correcting this old fashioned thinking. If Messi had been Irish he'd probably have never made the cut with coahes here, and would probably have not kicked a ball before a decision was made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Yep, I remember those excuses being trotted out as reasons for locals not to support Dundalk, on the basis of not enough Dundalk natives on the playing staff. Then a Bank Rovers side full of Dundalk players got spanked in the cup in front of one man and his dog, and that was the end of that argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
While Dundlak is a solid soccer town, it doesn`t have the numbers as it is completely surrounded by GAA territory in North Louth, ( Dreadnoughts, love the name), South Armagh, (Crossmaglen Rangers ) and GAA strongholds in C`Blayney and Carrick mc C. Compared to Sligo , which is similarly surrounded, they have a long tradition of many different nationalities playing for the Bit o`Red without any particular whinging from fans looking for excuses not to go to games.
If Dundalk were to go down this route, it would probably make more sense for them to put some sort of 'feeder club' structure in place with Monaghan and go with them as their B team.
That would rule out one of the key benefits of using the B team to give game time to first team squad players or those returning from injuryQuote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
That would be ruled out anyway. you couldn't dual register players to play in both Premier and First Divisions. Rovers B team a couple of years ago didn't get that benefit and had to name two separate squads, why would it be any different this time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
I wish that had been it but the 2002 cup winning side had about 5 locals in the team and some still ranted on about not plaaying locals...the current excuse is ' I didnt go to Oriel when things were bad and I dont wnat to be a glory hunter fan now' as they are decked out in Man City or Leicester gear never mind Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
I think last time we could name up to three first team players in the B team match day squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Irish Indo from Dec 2013:Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
https://www.independent.ie/sport/fai...-29855859.htmlQuote:
• From their Premier Division squad, Shamrock Rovers will be permitted to play a maximum of three outfield players and a goalkeeper in First Division fixtures.
I stand corrected. I don't remember Rovers using first team players.
I actually remember in our promotion season against shamrock rovers B they had a small no of first teamers playing for them.Top of my head cant specifically point out a name but I do remember reading about it before.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
They were rarely used in the B team, it was usually only if they were coming back from an injury. I remmeber karl sheppard playing a game or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
We tried playing a team of local players at one stage and ended up bottom of the first division with no one going to gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
Shamrock Rovers 'B' used first team players in 4 of their 28 first division matches that season. Shelbourne (H) 1-1, Galway (H) 1-1, Waterford United (H) 0-1, Galway (H) 0-3
8 first team players used and their appearances/goals were Robert Bayly (2/0), Rob Cornwall (2/0), Craig Hyland (3), Dean Kelly (1/0), Ciarán Kilduff (1/0), David O'Connor (2/0), Seán O'Connor (1/1), Karl Sheppard (2/0)
It's very clear why this is one reason First Division clubs are against Rovers fielding a B team in the exact same manner, as it puts teams at a competitive disadvantage if an opponent can field top Premier Division full-time players in random cameo appearances
was that in the 88-89 season when we were ahead of ye? We werent no great shapes either that period as was in same boat too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah
Quality anorak work there TH, thanks :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by total hoofball
Kinda surprised to see they used the option so infrequently. I guess the first team squad of 18-20 (?) were generally kept together for training and matches with practically every first team player involved in the first team matchday squad
Would have been around then alrightQuote:
Originally Posted by Martinho II
Yeah 2015 season was the only occasion we finished above ye in the same division.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah
Statement from First Division Clubs
https://www.instagram.com/p/B6vZP_qp...=19b8nasmvv3so
How can it be concurrently rationalised that B teams affect the sporting integrity of the LOI but not the LSL?Quote:
Originally Posted by exiled_gufc_fan
Interesting that the clubs want four rounds of fixtures as opposed to three. If the clubs are in agreement is there any reason the league would reject it?
Because clubs in the LSL have no higher level to aspire to. Clubs in the LOI First Division do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
4 rounds of games is 36 games before 4 playoff games and cups.
The genius behind this statement wants 10 rounds of midweek fixtures for part time players.
I suppose it's more technically accurate to say that LSL clubs don't aspire to any higher standard, whereas First Division clubs do.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
LSL clubs can step up to the First Division, but don't want to.
The statement addressed the sporting integrity issue only in relation to the League of Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
I appreciate that, just thought it was a tad contradictory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
It's only 32 games with 9 teams (albeit over the same number of matchdays)Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
The alternative is a 24-game season, which is daft.
My reading of the statement is that this be a one-off four-round FD to avoid dropping to 24 games, and if Limerick came back in 2021, 27 games would still be preferred. Could be wrong in that obviously
Sorry u are right 32 games but with 1 team idle every week it still means lots of midweek games.
I've yet to see one decent reason bar begrudgery to prevent rovers or any other team entering b teams just like in other European leagues.
Fair play to the first division clubs for their stance but why did they not do this in 2014 season? I dont get this logic!
Presume it's one of two reasons - 1) Delaney is gone and people can (and will) give out more about things, or 2) they didn't like how things went the last time Rovers B were in the league for whatever reason, and have now decided that they don't want it to happen again.
The biggest complainers about it are Cabo limericks and athlone, if these clubs are setting the agenda for the league we are all in big trouble
Do Limerick have a say?
I could understand them being opposed to it in general obviously - the unfortunate question at the moment is, who would have that say?
According to the journos pat o Sullivan was vocal at the fai AGM.
So from a blanket ban on anyone speaking at AGMs to someone who represents a club that no longer exists speaking out against a team joining the league to replace them!?
Not a surprise or any need for a complicated explanation , just the usual small minded peasant attitude and begrudery that has always existed towards Rovers from the Giles era and beyond.... comforting to know as we move into 2020 that we still can count on their consistent attempts to deflect from their own ineptitude and failure..... pity they don’t try to better themselves rather than trying to drag down their betters ..... bah humbug to the lot of them
It's refreshing to witness the attempts to understand the root cause of the unanimous objections by all nine first division clubs
I'd question the unanimity considering Galway and drogs voted in favour at the nlec meeting.
Looks like a majority decision to me that was presented as a united front. Fair enough that's the way it go's in these things.
But if the lowest elements of the first division get to dictate policy we are looking at a levelling down.