According to eleven-a-side rovers will appeal aginst the eight point deduction they have recieved. :eek: What did they expect? To be completly exonerated from the lies told by Maguire and co.
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According to eleven-a-side rovers will appeal aginst the eight point deduction they have recieved. :eek: What did they expect? To be completly exonerated from the lies told by Maguire and co.
The Examiner/Administrator said he would not appeal though. :confused: I;d say the only thing they could appeal against is that looks like no clear rules that detail the sanctions for break the rules...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Speranza
Yesterday's Herald said they'd appeal too. Very odd as I'd have assumed they cut a deal with the League to give them a points deduction instead of relegation or expulsion on the grounds they wouldn't appeal due to the certainty of the examiner saying they would not appeal.
But if they appeal on the basis that a points deduction isn't mentioned in the rules surely they run the risk that the licenscing commitee will agree and take their license away completely.
I also don't think that the club changing ownership argument works as while any new owners are obviously not guilty of what McGuire and co did they are still reaping the benefits of their ludicrously fraudulant behaviour. Rovers may well not have stayed up last year but for overspending and not paying debts and they wouldn't have got most of their points this year if they still weren't doing the same thing.
Whatever about the ins and outs of it my instinct is that they could well be successful and get away with the whole thing.
Shels supremo wants Hoops kicked out of league
23/05/2005 - 7:05:12 AM
Shelbourne want Shamrock Rovers thrown out of the eircom League after a number of Rovers' fans were involved in crowd trouble before Saturday’s Setanta Cup final.
While the game itself passed off without incident, there was some trouble outside the ground with gardaí making four arrests with a group wearing Shamrock Rovers and Celtic jerseys clashing with Linfield supporters.
Shelbourne secretary Ollie Byrne witnessed the fracas and insists he will appeal against the FAI Club Licensing Committee’s decision to deduct eight points from Rovers for filing the wrong accounts and will instead push for them to be kicked out of football for misbehaving fans.
“We all lose our heads in a moment of passion in sport, but you don’t come with a pre-meditated attitude to do some damage to people and that’s what happened. The clubs know the individuals involved and it’s about time it was stopped,” said Byrne.
“The Licensing Committee did not have the authority to deduct points and to take the Licence off them and then say they can stay in football. You can take the Licence but they can’t deduct the points. I already informed the FAI and Rovers and I felt the way it was done is wrong.”
http://www.breakingnews.ie/2005/05/23/story203749.html#
How can Rovers be responsible for people wearing their jersies going to neutral games? :confused:
i blames woodies. i'm not going to shop there anymore. ;)
Ollie is probably in the process of shutting them down as we speak. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
he is!! a group of fans wearing celtic OR rovers shirts tangle with linfield outside the ground at a setanta cup game and oily moves to have rovers expelled from the eircom league :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
he really is a silly *****.
and he is going to ban all rovers fans from tolka for ever and ever.
I suppose he is in the process of getting Celtic expelled from the SPL too. :D I know football is a business but if Ollie is now persuing Shamrock Rovers to be given the maximum penalty like St. Pats a few years back I think that lacks a certain etiquette. You don't try to ram your competitors out of the game even if it is a business. I'm not an Ollie Byrne hate club bandwagon man myself and I do admire the effort he has put into Shels but I find it distasteful if he is going to make a real concerted effort to have Rovers expelled.
And newbies & foreigners wonder why everyone hates Shelbourne.
Newstalk called them Shelbourne UNITED yesterday on their news bulletin.
:rolleyes:
Firstly, I don't agee with Byrne and think he is a total toe rag.
However, he has a strong case regarding Rover's licence eh, "difficulties".
Maybe other clubs have as well, but not as bad as what Rover's have gotten away with.
I NEVER want to see Rovers out of the league, but the eL will have to come up with some contortions to get out of this one.
Well Rovers will obviously demand a full and open enquiry into every clubs licence and the licence committee's functioning. Then we'll see the real situation I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by patsh
I mean, we already know that the licencing committee ignored the 400 club when they were told the accounts were boll0x.
I mean will shels allow a full audit of their business practices in return for Rovers expulsion?
I wouldn't dispute any of the points you are making Macy, but either the eL will have to grasp the nettle and have a proper serious look at ALL clubs, and have a full look at the whole licencing issue, or else there will be a fudge again, and this whole ridiculous situation will carry on and we will NEVER sort ourselves out properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
And I agree with that too - all or nothing on the licence for all clubs. I don't want a fudge, nor do I want a scapegoat.Quote:
Originally Posted by patsh
those are fair points, but oily is trying to have shamrock rovers fc expelled from the el mid season because 2/3 teenagers who may or may not have been rovers fans had a dust up with some linfield hoolies.Quote:
Originally Posted by patsh
NOT because f any legitimate concerns over fai/el procedures.
he is really acting the opportunist ******** here.
which comes as a great surprise to....... oh wait, it's Oily. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
Rovers are mad to appeal this decision, they'll probably stay up regardless and running the risk of being kicked out when some people would say they got off lightly to begin with is madness.
Ollie didn't say they should be kicked out btw if you just read the quotes, I reckon the whole reason he made those comments were to make it known those clowns weren't Shels fans despite what ahd been reported in the media with their sensationalist crap yet again.
well it was oily who told the press that rovers fans were the root of all evil....Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
but under it all, could oily have his eyes on tallaght stadium? get us fecked out on the most dubious rounds and then try and weasel into the stadium?
and to repeat the point, we told the licencing committe of the error, they ignored us, gave us the licence and then when the examiner was brought in, the error was made public.
[QUOTE=Slash/ED], I reckon the whole reason he made those comments were to make it known those clowns weren't Shels fans QUOTE]
So he blames us instead. :rolleyes:
BTW We'd be mad NOT to appeal the deduction. If an appeal fails then I'd say a full judicial review will be in order. That would mean every single document and correspondence pertaining to licencing being scrutinised. I hope you're all feeling confident......
KOH
Rovers should demand a trawl of EVERY clubs books.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
Maybe we might find out a lot more about Oily's biscuit tin and those little brown envelopes......;)
Wouldn't be a total shock at all. It would be just like him to do something sneaky like thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
Yeah, if Oily is so determind to have everything done right, he can show his clubs documentation and information to everyone as an exmaple of how to do things, can't he!Quote:
Originally Posted by patsh
[QUOTE=WeAreRovers]Rovers fans are taking the blame from more than just Olly, I've heard of Rovers fans glassing Linfield fans in a pub before the match, there were Rovers fans in Tolka only there to act the eejit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
I think you are mad to appeal the decision for the simple reason that Finn Harps are so poor you'll probably survive anyway and appealing could only make the situation worse and does it not cost you money, money you don't have?
Yes he can the same way he showed Pat Dolan and Pats the documentation for shels players when Dolan made up lies about how all clubs where at it :cool:Quote:
Yeah, if Oily is so determind to have everything done right, he can show his clubs documentation and information to everyone as an exmaple of how to do things, can't he!
Do you seriously think Ollie would push for Rovers to be punished if he was sitting in exactly the same boat??
Im not sure what his game is here but I would like the rules in the league implemented correctly and this yet again doesnt seem like a rule. Where did they come up with 8 points? What rule did they use to do this? We cant let the FAI make stuff up every time we run into trouble. Maybe Rovers deserved more maybe less? but at least have one rule for everyone and not make it up as you go along.
[QUOTE=Slash/ED]Listen mate, a word of advice, stop defaming people with no evidence. Hearsay doesn't count I'm afraid - even if it comes from Olly. Cease and desist.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
KOH
Yeah I'll just dig my head in the sand and pretend nothing happened sure all the Linfield and Shels fans who were there are making it all up, Rovers fans have never tried to hurt anyone ever.
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
KOH
Why are you upset with Ollie when the 400 Club have come out and said the exact same thing ?
I dont know if Ollie is right or wrong in what he is doing but I heard the 400 club would also like to appeal the decision on the basis there is no rule for a points deduction.
Is Ollie not saying the exact same thing?
No Higgins Ollie is the route of all evil and if he said today was monday there would be a 400 page thread of outrage from people basically making up their own meaning of what he's said so they can be angry over it.
Does that include the ticketing system, or lack of it, at Tolka?Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
I wouldn't be confident that any club fully meets the licencing requirements - it's been a fudge from the very start...
sorry Macy I dont follow you?
What exactly is worng with the countered gates in Tolka that goes against the License ? This has nothing to do with rovers by the way so not sure what you are getting at?Quote:
Does that include the ticketing system, or lack of it, at Tolka?
I wouldn't be confident that any club fully meets the licencing requirements - it's been a fudge from the very start...
It has everything to do with the licence, and you claiming the Shels are sqeaky clean in everything they do. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, but full audits of the operations of every club would prove it (for every club) one way or t'other. It would be fundamentally wrong to pick on just one club in this regard, when it could be just the tip of the iceberg.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
Incidentally, wasn't there many irregularities in the player registrations that season, just none deemed serious enough for points deductions. Hence the deal done with Pats over the league "win" and money?
WRONG!!! shels had no problems with any registered players.... It is typical of what is also happening here? Pat Dolan was caught out and punished by a rule he voted in a few months beforehand i.e. points deduction for unregistered players. Rather then take this as a rule he claims everyone is at it and attacks Ollie for wanting the rulebook used!! Here again you all want to use the line sure they are all at it with no basis for this ?? How do you know all clubs are at it and they have spent 900K+ of grant money on players.Quote:
Incidentally, wasn't there many irregularities in the player registrations that season, just none deemed serious enough for points deductions. Hence the deal done with Pats over the league "win" and money?
All clubs have to send in accounts as part of the licensing process. Shels done this along with the other 21 EL Clubs. Rovers are the only team to have not submitted the correct accounts.
I said many irregularities of player registrations, didn't mention shels. Your ollie-esque paranoia getting the better of you...
If there's to be investigation into all club licences it should be into every aspect of the licence, including the accounts submitted. If it wasn't for examinership we'd never have known about Rovers - who's to know what the situation is with regard to other clubs accounts. Don't see why anyone would have a problem with that...
Spot on Macy. I've been wondering about that myselfQuote:
Originally Posted by Macy
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Originally Posted by higgins
Rovers are the only team to have been caught. ;)
The licensing is a farce, and until the league creates and applies a consistent rule-book we're always going to have controversy, be it over players, accounts, pitch invasions, fans throwing things etc. simply because there's no transparency or consistency within the system
Santry Gardai have confirmed that no Rovers fans were involved in any incident and specifically, the glass incident was a local known to the gardai.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigmac