Lads, get over the faux outrage.
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Lads, get over the faux outrage.
Appears to be celebrating with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Shock, horror,.... Dundalk, a place where Gerry Adams tops the poll, has a nationlist element. Also disgraceful that there are Palestinian flags in the ground.......
You swear their was a riot the way people go on. Worse happens on a Saturday night in Belfast.
You can't rail against sanatisation of football, then complain when people have their opinions. FFS, Dundalks singing section is the "mujahideen". Dundalk FC is as much a product of its community as Linfield is.
Bring your sanctimonous nature to Rugby if you want to pretend that everyone gets along.... I bet everyone complaining here had their posts typed out before kick off....
Ask any of them why, how or even to pronounce it never mind spell it. In equal measure that you think people shouldnt comment you are able to disagree and entitled to your opinion. I for one think there is no need to stoop to chanting about a paramilitary organisation or derogatory chanting on a nationality. I still have no doubt that Dundalk management led by Perth will comment subsequently on what is inappropriate chanting from a different era!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa
Was always going to happen, some of the clowns were boasting on twitter about it after Friday nightQuote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
You might think that's acceptable, but you clearly don't have to deal with the ramifications of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa
Some of us are from an area of the Island where Irish people have been discriminated against for years. Where are now facing a huge challenge in Brexit, where things will most certainly get worse for those areas, and if you think nights like tonight will encourage the unionist people to a new or united ireland, it won't.
Some of us are trying to move on and improve parts of this island that need it most. This **** is most unhelpful.
Never mind a new Ireland, even a basic AIL is hugely damaged by tonight.
No it is a bit depressing. I'm not outraged by it particularly and I've very little interest in rugby.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa
I agree, if my son was doing that, he would get a slap across the ears. Many people from the Town suffered, and had their lives ruined because of the IRA...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
...But Lets not Blow things out of porportion. This was always going to happen. There is the element of it in Dundalk, and because the football club is so close to the community, it shows up in Oriel as well.
No-one was hurt, no pitch invasions. There was worse behaviour at the some final few league games for other teams.
People just want to be offended......
No place in football, but it's a minority of morons at a highly sensitive (given history) match. A few gob****es that should know better and a bunch of kids mimicking them.
Let's stay real, work to be done, a lot of it, but it's a long ling way from the Tyler's All Ireland Cup days.
Ah like its a bit of both... i mean simpsons memes can be funny and some argue they are a reflection of an average irish outlook but sometimes this whole "feckin' tans" thing gets a bit much/tired.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa
Its not a surprise. And these things happen alot in football all across Europe, sometimes it adds to the edge and sometimes its taken too far. We all have different limits, and different definition of what a RA song is etc but ultimately people are looking to be provocative and looking for a reaction from both sides. Sometimes we can shrug it off and boo them down but sometimes it still needs to be pointed out. The Para flag or the Israeli/palestinian flags are signs of more organised "sectarianism" than just getting carried away with a chant or two...but yea I mean as pointed out with Brexit and this talk of a united league our "bigger/better" league maybe needs to also be considerate of their concerns etc
Whether it was always going to happen, that it is no surprise, that worse happens elsewhere, that there is an element in Dundalk and the football club is an extension of community, it doesnt mean that it isnt embaressing, a sad reflection of the mindest of some. In the grand scheme of things of course it wasnt catastrophic. But it could make potential investors in an AIL think twice never mind the clubs etc. It doesnt look good for Dundalk FC whether people were ready to pounce in advance or not. Disappointment is more how it feels than (faux) outrage. It would be remiss of level headed fans not to speak out rather than condone by saying nothing or make excuses either. Linfield fan by contrast werent riled in to responding with their own chants albeit maybe the scoreline had taken the sting out of things for them. There is a whole load of work that needs to be done prior to an AIL and it isnt on finances or European places!!
Well done Dundalk. How did Linfield run Qarabag so close, they were dreadful.
Cop on. A basic AIL might have been damaged by how awful Linfield were. And they're the best that league has to offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrtndvn
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Everyone with a brain realises that the IL is way behind the LOI. They point of an AIL league is that with combined resources we are better than we should be apart. With DAZN about to launch in the UK and Ireland, there was an opportunity with a new exciting product, with a larger catchment area that would process a goal of professional football on the Island.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnnie C
We need to convince a large majority IL fans to give up their part-time comforts and put the effort in to professionalise football. I doubt too many would-be bothered if they are listening to IRA chants every week, and I hardly blame them.
I must be missing something!
I was concerned about the potential for sectarian and provocative chanting, flags, banners etc tonight, but I neither saw nor heard anything that was offensive. Admittedly I was in the stand on the other side of the ground from the more raucous shed side and was perhaps slightly distracted by the quality of the Dundalk display
But from reading the discussion on this thread it seems that the level and ferocity of abuse was so severe that it overshadows all reference to the football on display and has greatly offended many sensitive football fans on this forum.
Anxious to fill in the gaps, I checked some media reports to read some impartial reports on this crowd misbehaviour. Heck I even looked for some partial ones from the more sensationalist media. Amazingly all I could find were reports that detailed the magnificent performance by Dundalk in the 6-0 win.
I really need to be more observant and pay more attention to the important details.
It was very apparent on TV. I would be surprised if the other stand didn't hear it as at one point a different section on Dundalk fans tried to boo it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Be as surprised as you like - I have already told you that I did not hear anything from the main stand, although it's well possible that others with keener hearing did.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrtndvn
BTW, I don't doubt you or others who said there was offensive chanting.
I was in the main stand also and could hear very little from the Shed. They were quieter than usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrtndvn
I think I heard a variation of the "We know what we are, Champions of Ireland etc" at one point. It sounded like "You know what you are. You're Irish. You know what you are." Certainly the Linfield officials close to me in the stand were laughing at that one.
The political pontification on social media is verging on the absurd. One chap even thinks that the NIFL can sort out these issues for us
https://twitter.com/mrtndvn1/status/1193997125396369415Quote:
It's pretty clear that the LOI needs the NIFL to sort out our growing issues.
Surely thats not you mrtndvn?
In other news
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Your only here for your Passports . :)Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
On a different issue, just how bad were Linfield. Sure they were missing the striker, but they got their tactics totally wrong. Gave acres to McGrath and Duffy, and folded badly. Felt bad for their decent travelling fans/
Get the old sarcasm detector on there. It was a common theme among NIFL fans that we were asking for an AIL to save ourselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Jaysus Wept- some of the stupid faux outraged comments on this! :rolleyes:
6 fine goals by Dundalk tonight to sweep aside Linfield.Brilliant display by the Lilywhites to round off a magnificent year.
Bob Bensons prob the best of the half-dozen we put past them.
Him announcing he's leaving us is prob the worst thing that happened in OP tonight.
I'm praying for a lot of yee,any wonder LOI fora are totally screwed these days when you see the crap that's going on in here.
I have to view this “sectarian chanting” stuff in a different light to everyone else here as regards it’s impact on a possible AIL.
Surely if the main gripe as regards fans following two games between Dundalk and Linfield is merely some chanting and half a dozen flags (and that is not to condone either of those) then this bodes well for an AIL in the near future?
In the not so distant past the genuine concern was violence not chanting, in fact I wonder without social media acting as the fuel to the fire how much airtime some chants would actually get.
Not nice but it’s a football game, no big deal in my opinion and certainly a gross over reaction to say in it any way puts paid to hopes of or plans for an AIL.
Without a doubt this is the stupidest post i have ever read on any LOI forum.****ING EVER!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mrtndvn
I won't even tell you why,you figure that out all by yourself.
UN FCUKING BELIEVABLE NONSENSE DUDE.:rolleyes:
Surely the Sun will be apoplectic with rage on the de-railing of a New Ireland nation and AIL that occurred last night?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Nope, it seems Owen Cowzer missed it too
https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football...box=1573526941Quote:
There were justified concerns that the clash could be marred by sectarian chanting after a small minority made their voices heard during Friday’s first leg at Windsor Park.
If anything, Oriel Park was a little quiet.
That bodes well for the future of either this competition or a potential all-island league.
Did anyone on here honestly expect that there would be no sectarian chanting? It was an Irish border town vs the biggest team from NI, football is tribalistic and there is 2 fairly significant tribes these 2 sets of fans belong to. I thought the match was a great occasion, fair play to the massive number of Linfield fans for travelling down, I joined in the chanting (nothing too outrageous just the usual Celtic Symphony and a few funny passport jibes, I've far more offensive ones, usually reserved for Drogs & Shams), had a great time and was delighted to see there were no incidents of violence before or after the match. To claim OUTRAGE and that the concept of an All-Island League is dead because of a few songs is an absolute joke and virtue signalling at best. People who use this as reason to derail the AIL never had any interest in it in the first place, the final score is probably a bigger deterrent to IL clubs than any songs or flags. Anyway Dundalk FC Champions of All-Ireland, what a season that was despite the FAI Cup disappointment, roll on next season!
I was surprised at how many people were triggered on social media last night.
We live on a divided island that has an unresolved political issue. If you look at any comparable area with a geo-political conflict, the fact that the game could be held safely, with mutual goodwill being extended by the vast majority of attendees was a positive sign.
I don't know whether the outrage is due to the influence of the snowflake generation or an opportunity being grasped by those opposed to an all island league.
Probably a bit of both. Also, add in the disdain some other fans feel for Dundalk fans.
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Originally Posted by White Horse
In my opinion, for some it is probably a genuine abhorrence of anything sectarian.
For many more, I think it is the social media induce snowflake mentality of wanting to be offended or outraged - there are many double standard hypocrites in this category.
And then there are those who identify with other tribes (clubs) who are envious or jealous of a rivals success.
The vast majority who fall into the latter categories claim (and maybe even believe) they are in the first category
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Originally Posted by White Horse
There it is again - the most overused word in the English language now. Sigh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
There has been more posts lamenting social media here now then there was social media posts about the chanting.
I think some are missing the bigger picture. In the NIFL, there have been year on year improvements in dealing with supporter behaviour, particularly with offensive chants and banners. Yes it pops up now and again, but it is the exception, not the rule. When it does occur, clubs are generally quick to take action to deal with those responsible. E.g. Cliftonville played Linfield twice recently. At the first game there were issues which both clubs attempted to deal with on the night, but in the middle of a game it is not always to do more than minimise such, as it can inflame a situation. However, for the next game action was taken, including the identification of some of those involved and several were refused entry. There were no such issues at the 2nd game.
With all the talk of an AIL, many were looking to see the 2 games between Linfield and Dundalk as a sort of measure of a potential future league, both on and off the pitch. The off pitch issues have and will be focussed on by supporters of a losing team. That is natural and happens over all sorts of issues, not just offensive songs etc. Therefore what has happened has been viewed by many as a microcosm of what an AIL might hold. People focus on Linfield given the past, but there are other clubs who if playing in an AIL could give rise to bigger reactions/issues to their presence at a LOI ground. Therefore, many view that an AIL could reignite many of the issues that have been nearly extinguished in the NIFL.
However, the football on the pitch aside, from reading their comments post last night, it was not the songs that did most damage to support from Linfield supporters, and indeed many other NIFL team supporters, for an AIL, it was how they were treated like cattle just to go to a game. They had to meet in Banbridge at 4pm. Then they had to get on buses and be transported to the game. They then travelled by back roads, lights had to be kept off on the bus, only arriving at the ground some 3 hours later just as the teams were coming out. Normally a 30 min journey. That's what they and fans of other NIFL clubs view as a possible future in an AIL just to support their team at an away game. Fans will quickly vote with their feet.
AGS haven't a clue when it comes to handling crowds at - "SOCCER" - matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
I don't buy into the crap that an overturned lorry on the A/M1 created the delay for Linfield fans getting to OP.:D
It's all small detail though,they're an adaptable force who can learn quickly from the psni.:p
It was obviously planned that their bus would arrive at Oriel 5 minutes before kick off. They appear to have had to take a scenic tour around north County Louth as they arrived earlier than expected. The Guards closed the Carrick road to traffic, erected barricades and escorted the fans into the away section.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToberonaTornado
There is no way I would go to an away match is these circumstances.
For all the horror being mouthed by snowflakes about political chants, this is the issue that would get to me most as a fan.
It was humiliating night for Linfield fans. To see them taking down their "No Surrender" flag at halftime out of embarrassment almost brought a sympathetic tear to my eye.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
Getting stuffed on the pitch just added to the indignity of the whole overall experience for Linfield supportersQuote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
The poor conditions of the away section at Oriel Park is enough for visitors to have to endure, without the excessively restricted travel requirements.
The Linfield officials seem to have taken a fair bit of flack as a result of these arrangements
That was certainly NOT the experience of NIFL fans during the Setanta Cup. I personally saw fans from many NIFL clubs drinking in the bars in Dalymount prior to matches and I know it happened elsewhere across the LOI. I cant speak about why the police (PSNI/AGS) decided on the arrangements for this game but Brexit debacle (heightened tensions), one off nature of match and the generally crap set up at Oriel Park probably contributed. To suggest that is an accurate example of what an AIL match would be like is simply ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
Certainly the measures put in place for Linfield fans travelling are not suitable and feasible on any kind of long terms basis but again have to viewed in perspective. Any logical thinking would lead us to security operations around games being significantlyt refined over the course of the first few years. Also likely that these games becoming the norm would make them more mundane to those that might pose a trouble risk.
Again not a barrier to an AIL although of course I back the view that no set of football fans should be treated like that but these are things that can be overcome.
All in all there was no major incidents over the course of the two games in fact no incidents of any note really that is the bottom line.
Over the top security operation and dodgy chants? Hardly new for football anywhere.
I am talking about the perception that will now be held in regards to an AIL.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
The AIL will not be happening any time soon and fan chants and security reasons will be very far down the long list of reasons it won't happen, the top of that list will be all to do with €€€/£££, too many blazers would lose their cushy number, clubs will lose out on UEFA money, etc, etc.
I think we can all agree that both clubs were a disgrace and should be deducted 50 points each for next season.
Steady on there, Bart Simpson! Attack the post, not the poster.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToberonaTornado